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MartinJQuinn wrote: Trying to figure out the location of the accommodation ladders when stowed. This seems to be the spot for the aft ladders, tied up against the 40' motor boat cradles: Attachment: OkieLadders.jpg Can't find any photo that show the stowage for the forward ladders. Anyone have any ideas where they stowed them while underway? Trying to double check, I feel like a saw a reference to them laying across the deck forward of turret one. But not finding where I saw that so I may be mistaken with another class. Will dig some more. On a separate note, interested in learning more about Decklights. These are prevalent in the first generation dreadnoughts of the USN, and seem to be have been carried up till at least their rebuilds in WWII. Are they actual lights that illuminate or are they just single skylights? Looking at plans, they do seem to be near crews mess and quarters, the few images I can clearly pick them out shows what looks like a flush porthole, so I am leaning towards the later. Matt
[quote="MartinJQuinn"]Trying to figure out the location of the accommodation ladders when stowed. This seems to be the spot for the aft ladders, tied up against the 40' motor boat cradles: [attachment=0]OkieLadders.jpg[/attachment] Can't find any photo that show the stowage for the forward ladders. Anyone have any ideas where they stowed them while underway?[/quote]
Trying to double check, I feel like a saw a reference to them laying across the deck forward of turret one. But not finding where I saw that so I may be mistaken with another class. Will dig some more.
On a separate note, interested in learning more about Decklights. These are prevalent in the first generation dreadnoughts of the USN, and seem to be have been carried up till at least their rebuilds in WWII. Are they actual lights that illuminate or are they just single skylights? Looking at plans, they do seem to be near crews mess and quarters, the few images I can clearly pick them out shows what looks like a flush porthole, so I am leaning towards the later.
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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:51 pm |
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Trying to figure out the location of the accommodation ladders when stowed. This seems to be the spot for the aft ladders, tied up against the 40' motor boat cradles: Attachment:
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Can't find any photo that show the stowage for the forward ladders. Anyone have any ideas where they stowed them while underway?
Trying to figure out the location of the accommodation ladders when stowed. This seems to be the spot for the aft ladders, tied up against the 40' motor boat cradles: [attachment=0]OkieLadders.jpg[/attachment] Can't find any photo that show the stowage for the forward ladders. Anyone have any ideas where they stowed them while underway?
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:55 pm |
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MartinJQuinn wrote: Raft 1 is the one originally called out on the motion picture booth, but now I think it is actually hanging on the railing just to port of the booth, which is why it appears at an angle. EDIT: David, I think you are right about the location of this raft being on the back of the crane. Using my model as an example, here is where I think I see rafts, with the likely hood of the ones on the forward superstructure and tripod having a twin on the starboard side: Attachment:
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Trying to be as accurate as possible, given the limited evidence we have.
[quote="MartinJQuinn"]Raft 1 is the one originally called out on the motion picture booth, but now I think it is actually hanging on the railing just to port of the booth, which is why it appears at an angle.[/quote] EDIT: David, I think you are right about the location of this raft being on the back of the crane.
Using my model as an example, here is where I think I see rafts, with the likely hood of the ones on the forward superstructure and tripod having a twin on the starboard side: [attachment=0]IMG_9526.jpg[/attachment] Trying to be as accurate as possible, given the limited evidence we have.
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:41 pm |
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I'm having "raft fever"....I think I'm seeing rafts everywhere now. I see the raft on the conning tower (raft 1) and one just aft of it (raft 2), both vertical, and what "looks" like more rafts amidships? Attachment:
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Raft 1 is the one originally called out on the motion picture booth, but now I think it is actually hanging on the railing just to port of the booth, which is why it appears at an angle. Raft 2 is on the vegetable locker (horizontal) Raft 3 is on the director platform on the tripod - the Big 5 carried rafts on their aft cage masts, so this is possible (which makes me think there would be a twin on the other side of the platform). Then do I see more rafts on the forward superstructure? Maybe the same silhouettes seen in the top photo? Or am I seeing what I "want" to see? Attachment:
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I'm having "raft fever"....I think I'm seeing rafts everywhere now.
I see the raft on the conning tower (raft 1) and one just aft of it (raft 2), both vertical, and what "looks" like more rafts amidships? [attachment=1]OkieatPH1941a.jpg[/attachment] Raft 1 is the one originally called out on the motion picture booth, but now I think it is actually hanging on the railing just to port of the booth, which is why it appears at an angle. Raft 2 is on the vegetable locker (horizontal) Raft 3 is on the director platform on the tripod - the Big 5 carried rafts on their aft cage masts, so this is possible (which makes me think there would be a twin on the other side of the platform). Then do I see more rafts on the forward superstructure? Maybe the same silhouettes seen in the top photo? Or am I seeing what I "want" to see? [attachment=0]Oklahoma4a.jpg[/attachment]
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:15 pm |
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MartinJQuinn wrote: Going back to the locations of rafts, I've been looking at photos Jeff Sharp posted earlier in this thread, especially these two. I definitely see one in the first photo, vertical. The horizontal one in the second photo is harder to make out, but I can see it, and it also looks as if there's at least one smaller one nested in there. I don't know much about battlewagons, but judging by how many rafts the carriers had strapped to them early-war, I'd bet that anything that 'may' be a raft is indeed a raft.
[quote="MartinJQuinn"]Going back to the locations of rafts, I've been looking at photos Jeff Sharp posted [url=http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=6515&start=300#p956338][b][u]earlier[/u][/b][/url] in this thread, especially these two.[/quote]
I definitely see one in the first photo, vertical. The horizontal one in the second photo is harder to make out, but I can see it, and it also looks as if there's at least one smaller one nested in there. I don't know much about battlewagons, but judging by how many rafts the carriers had strapped to them early-war, I'd bet that anything that 'may' be a raft is indeed a raft.
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:36 pm |
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Going back to the locations of rafts, I've been looking at photos Jeff Sharp posted earlier in this thread, especially these two. I think I see a second large raft aft of the one Jeff pointed out on the conning tower, perhaps hanging off the superstructure. Any thoughts? Attachment:
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I also think I see a raft, attached horizontally, to the port side of the vegetable locker. Again, anyone have any thoughts on that? Attachment:
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Finally, for the raft on the port side of the conning tower, would it be logical to assume that there'd also be one on the starboard side? Many of the rafts do seem to be symmetrical, with a corresponding raft on the opposite side of the particular ship.
Going back to the locations of rafts, I've been looking at photos Jeff Sharp posted [url=http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=6515&start=300#p956338][b][u]earlier[/u][/b][/url] in this thread, especially these two.
I think I see a second large raft aft of the one Jeff pointed out on the conning tower, perhaps hanging off the superstructure. Any thoughts? [attachment=1]Okie1941a.png[/attachment] I also think I see a raft, attached horizontally, to the port side of the vegetable locker. Again, anyone have any thoughts on that? [attachment=0]Okie1941.png[/attachment]
Finally, for the raft on the port side of the conning tower, would it be logical to assume that there'd also be one on the starboard side? Many of the rafts do seem to be symmetrical, with a corresponding raft on the opposite side of the particular ship.
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:42 pm |
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Even CB1, Alaska had these sub searchlight platforms. Apparently for servicing the training gear located below the searchlight platform proper.
Even CB1, Alaska had these sub searchlight platforms. Apparently for servicing the training gear located below the searchlight platform proper.
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:39 pm |
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Following Jeff Sharp's posts on Oklahoma's rafts, this is what I came up with for locations. Attachment:
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Other than size and number of rafts at each location, did I miss anything?
Following Jeff Sharp's posts on Oklahoma's rafts, this is what I came up with for locations. [attachment=0]bb37-01with rafts.jpg[/attachment] Other than size and number of rafts at each location, did I miss anything?
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:36 pm |
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MartinJQuinn wrote: That is damned inconsiderate of you. You should be anticipating our needs! I've actually contemplated starting something like a Patreon or GoFundMe to fund ship modeler focused research trips in the past, but it gets complex to figure out how we'd select what and how much time, etc.
[quote="MartinJQuinn"]That is damned inconsiderate of you. You should be anticipating our needs! :heh:[/quote]
I've actually contemplated starting something like a Patreon or GoFundMe to fund ship modeler focused research trips in the past, but it gets complex to figure out how we'd select what and how much time, etc.
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 3:41 pm |
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Martin wrote - Quote: That is damned inconsiderate of you. You should be anticipating our needs! Well, anticipate this (lol ) - Those were electric arc light units and as such, I would imagine that the panels are indeed electrical control boxes for the searchlights. That is an interesting photo taken from below. If it were me, I would find some unused PE grating and scratch make those access platforms. Hank
Martin wrote - [quote]That is damned inconsiderate of you. You should be anticipating our needs! :heh:[/quote]
Well, anticipate this (lol :big_grin: ) - Those were electric arc light units and as such, I would imagine that the panels are indeed electrical control boxes for the searchlights. That is an interesting photo taken from below. If it were me, I would find some unused PE grating and scratch make those access platforms.
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 11:33 am |
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Tracy White wrote: For what it's worth, these platforms existed on many other ships that had searchlights on platforms. There is a well-known picture of Photographer Ed Steichen aboard CV-16 Lexington on one of her searchlight platforms. Thanks Tracy. I've seen that photo but didn't realize that was where he was standing. Tracy White wrote: I haven't made an opportunity to research them yet but presume they were for maintenance of the mounts or mechanical equipment. That is damned inconsiderate of you. You should be anticipating our needs!
[quote="Tracy White"]For what it's worth, these platforms existed on many other ships that had searchlights on platforms. There is a well-known picture of [url=https://redoubtreporter.wordpress.com/2014/09/03/plugged-in-portraits-in-photography-edward-steichen/]Photographer Ed Steichen aboard CV-16 Lexington[/url] on one of her searchlight platforms.[/quote] Thanks Tracy. I've seen that photo but didn't realize that was where he was standing. [quote="Tracy White"]I haven't made an opportunity to research them yet but presume they were for maintenance of the mounts or mechanical equipment.[/quote] That is damned inconsiderate of you. You should be anticipating our needs! :heh:
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:03 am |
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For what it's worth, these platforms existed on many other ships that had searchlights on platforms. There is a well-known picture of Photographer Ed Steichen aboard CV-16 Lexington on one of her searchlight platforms. I haven't made an opportunity to research them yet but presume they were for maintenance of the mounts or mechanical equipment.
For what it's worth, these platforms existed on many other ships that had searchlights on platforms. There is a well-known picture of [url=https://redoubtreporter.wordpress.com/2014/09/03/plugged-in-portraits-in-photography-edward-steichen/]Photographer Ed Steichen aboard CV-16 Lexington[/url] on one of her searchlight platforms. I haven't made an opportunity to research them yet but presume they were for maintenance of the mounts or mechanical equipment.
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2023 10:35 pm |
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Quote: I think I'm going to leave them off. Collective GASP...............
[quote]I think I'm going to leave them off.[/quote]
Collective GASP...............
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2023 7:23 pm |
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Thanks guys. As Matt said, maybe it's a primary or even secondary control station? I have to imagine those things got HOT and BRIGHT when in use.
Matt - those pictures help. Looks like the bottoms of the platforms are perforated, not solid, and are not square (as the kit PE is) or even rectangular, as the Big 5 one's are. They are more pie shaped.
I think I'm going to leave them off.
Thanks guys. As Matt said, maybe it's a primary or even secondary control station? I have to imagine those things got HOT and BRIGHT when in use.
Matt - those pictures help. Looks like the bottoms of the platforms are perforated, not solid, and are not square (as the kit PE is) or even rectangular, as the Big 5 one's are. They are more pie shaped.
I think I'm going to leave them off.
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2023 6:49 pm |
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The axle of each searchlight extends down thru the platform. And, it has a handle to each side at its bottom, almost like a periscope. Unless that is a bar running thru the post and attached to the sides of the cage. As if an anchoring point.
The axle of each searchlight extends down thru the platform. And, it has a handle to each side at its bottom, almost like a periscope. Unless that is a bar running thru the post and attached to the sides of the cage. As if an anchoring point.
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2023 2:47 pm |
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Better view of MD's, circa 1939. Definitely some panels mounted on the cage sides.
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Better view of MD's, circa 1939. Definitely some panels mounted on the cage sides.
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2023 2:45 pm |
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DavidP wrote: there is a panel on at least 2 of those cages That very well may be, almost any clear image shows nothing there earlier than 42, so I did not take them at face value. But it is possible due to angles and shadow, that the controls were moved around and were closer to the inboard. This image of Maryland I believe shows a panel closer to the mast which could have been Searchlight controls. Attachment:
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[quote="DavidP"]there is a panel on at least 2 of those cages[/quote]
That very well may be, almost any clear image shows nothing there earlier than 42, so I did not take them at face value. But it is possible due to angles and shadow, that the controls were moved around and were closer to the inboard. This image of Maryland I believe shows a panel closer to the mast which could have been Searchlight controls. [attachment=0]Maryland.jpg[/attachment]
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2023 1:56 pm |
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I am trying to find my source, but I have seen these referenced somewhere as "Searchlight Control Platforms". They do seem to be empty semi enclosed boxes that were meant for standing in, but there seems to be nothing in there that looks like controls or other equipment. Wild guess, perhaps they were some sort of lookout blind? With the light blocked above, less chance of observer having their vision impaired by the light? A couple more shots of Nevada's, not very clear Attachment:
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I am trying to find my source, but I have seen these referenced somewhere as "Searchlight Control Platforms". They do seem to be empty semi enclosed boxes that were meant for standing in, but there seems to be nothing in there that looks like controls or other equipment. Wild guess, perhaps they were some sort of lookout blind? With the light blocked above, less chance of observer having their vision impaired by the light?
A couple more shots of Nevada's, not very clear [attachment=1]NV 42 Mainmast snip1.png[/attachment] [attachment=0]NV 42 Mainmast snip2.png[/attachment]
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2023 12:55 pm |
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Yes, but what were the cages/baskets used for?
I'm guessing they were installed aboard all the standard BBs.
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Yes, but what were the cages/baskets used for?
I'm guessing they were installed aboard all the standard BBs.
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2023 11:54 am |
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Martin, They are associated with the Searchlights. I will look if I have any clearer OK/NV images but here are a couple of Pennsylvania’s. Attachment:
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Martin,
They are associated with the Searchlights. I will look if I have any clearer OK/NV images but here are a couple of Pennsylvania’s. [attachment=1]IMG_1866.jpeg[/attachment] [attachment=0]IMG_2471.jpeg[/attachment]
Matt
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2023 11:10 am |
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