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Topic review - Calling all USS Iowa BB-61 class fans
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all USS Iowa BB-61 class fans  Reply with quote
With regards to the previous question about the color of the BB63 forward main deck by way of the anchor chains. Looking at my photos from 2013 aboard Missouri, the foredeck is currently painted in Deck Blue. As this is a museum ship it is not evidence of previous painting but suggestive that this was probably the case during her late deployments.

Cheers: Tom
Post Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:00 pm
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QMG_Waz wrote:
Thanks that pic helps me a lot, ties together the detail I wanted from this photo, re position fwd RAS point

Cheers


That's an interesting detail photo and prompts a question from me! Did any of the other three Iowa Classes ever carry the USN / NATO UNREP Code panels and numbers as circled in red here on Missouri?

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And as an observation the location of what is presumably the Pioneer RPV Satcom Dome is interesting. First time I have noticed it positioned there behind the Phalanx Guns as circled in blue. I imagine it was mounted there temporarily pending fitting to the aft funnel as per normal?
Post Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:46 am
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all USS Iowa BB-61 class fans  Reply with quote
What's the proper color of the deck under the anchor chains on the Iowa class BB's (1980/1990)?
Was it black or was it a really dark gray?
Post Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:41 pm
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Waz,

OK, so that answers my question re. the other 3 ships - BB-63 also has the fwd. refueling tripod on the main deck. These newer refueling stations, etc. were probably more up to date designs for the distillate fuel that the ships burned after conversion from fuel oil in the '80s refits.

Thanks for posting that photo!

Hank
Post Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:14 am
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all USS Iowa BB-61 class fans  Reply with quote
Thanks that pic helps me a lot, ties together the detail I wanted from this photo, re position fwd RAS point

Cheers


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:12 am
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all USS Iowa BB-61 class fans  Reply with quote
Waz,

When the IOWA class BB's were recommissioned in the early 80s, they had new RAS stations installed on the stbd side of the ship just fwd. of Turret #3 - as you are aware. The refueling davit and associated winches and equipment were all located in that one area of the ship. I could be wrong, but this was then the dedicated refueling location - however, BB64 did have a main deck refueling tripod located in the vicinity of Mount #8 (old mount 58) on the port side of the ship. I can't be positive that this refueling station was also located on BB-61, 62, or 63. Here are a couple photos I took of this station in 2019 when I was aboard BB-64 -
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In addition, BB-64 received the single RAS Sliding Eye Kingpost which the other 3 BBs did not prior to their decommissioning. This was used only for transfer of supplies, ammo, etc. not refueling. It is currently on board this ship to the left of the Refueling Davit as this photo shows -
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Regarding BB62 - There were replenishment stations both fwd and aft utilizing Turrets #2 and #3 for taking aboard stores, ammunition, personnel, etc. and this had been in place from the beginning. We (during Vietnam War - USS NEW JERSEY) utilized both fore and aft stations as well as a tripod high line transfer station on the stbd. 01 Level. We did not have the current refueling davit but had a more simple affair on both the stbd and port sides (aft) for handling refueling lines. Refueling at sea during WWII/Korean War was also carried out both stbd/port side at fore and aft refueling stations. I cannot recall whether or not the forward refueling stations were utilized during our 1968-69 cruise. Both of the after refueling stations were in use as I recall.

Hope this helps,
Post Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:05 pm
  Post subject:  BB-63 RAS question  Reply with quote
Howdy currently building Trumpetor 1/700 BB-63 Gulf war period, Im doing this in a diorama in a RAS AOE-4 and (Dragon)HMAS Brisbane (RAN DDG deployed during Gulf war) I wanted to show the scale and size of a BB vs DDG and thought this would be a good combination.
My question is, the RAS station for Missouri, I can see there was a RAS derrick aft but in photo's I can see they used aft and one forward but I cant see photo of the forward position, was there also the same derrick forward as aft, would anyone have photo drawing of the fwd position?

Thankyou for any assistance

Regards

waz
Post Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:21 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all USS Iowa BB-61 class fans  Reply with quote
Does anyone have pictures of Battleship Missouri or Iowa as it was lit at night?
Post Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:06 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Middle keg on USS Missouri  Reply with quote
no problem.
Post Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:30 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Middle keg on USS Missouri  Reply with quote
Thanks for the great drawing!!
Post Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:41 pm
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Post Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:31 pm
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Can anyone let me know where the middle keg on the USS Missouri (WW2)
starts and stops?

I used to have the drawing but I no longer have it.
Post Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:21 pm
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drdoom1337 wrote:
With that said, for either the 1/350 or 1/200 scale version of this bridge, which kit do you suggest? The Missouri for both, or the Very Fire 1/350 New Jersey? I'm uncertain if that kit includes the original aft mast as well as the tripod.

I wasn't going to offer an opinion, but Geez, this seems to be getting a bit repetitious - pick a scale and go with it!! :doh_1:

My recommendations would be:
1) if you have the space - 1/200 scale. There, was that so hard??? :thinking: Besides, it offers much higher level of detail than does 1/350th scale.

The Trumpeter kit you would be best served by would be the USS MISSIOURI kit - the 20mm gun configurations are closer to NEW JERSEY than the IOWA kit would offer. Keep in mind - both kits have INCORRECT 5"/38 Gun mounts - so, in addition to the Model Monkey bridge replacement, I would also suggest you invest in a set of (10) Model Monkey Dual 5"/38 gun mounts. And, don't forget to make sure your Mk. 37 Directors are the correct version for NEW JERSEY 1944 - the kit parts may or may not be that. Once again, check out the Monkey Man!!

The Trumpeter 1/200 IOWA/MISSOURI hulls are a mess - so, that is a moot point in deciding which kit to buy - you'll need to correct that if it matters; if it doesn't - don't worry about it!!! :huh:

Neither of these kits (IMHO) is properly suited to building a modern IOWA class BB UNLESS you are real adept at scratchbuilding or are into 3D Design & Printing. The superstructures of either NEW JERSEY or MO/IA/WISC will require EXTENSIVE rebuilding in order to end up with a reasonable decent model of any of the 4 ships. NEW JERSEY, due to her 1967-69 overhaul (MY tiime of service aboard her!!) was rebuilt in 1981 a bit different than the other 3 as they came along later in the mid-80s.

My build of 1/200 scale USS NEW JERSEY (1968-69) was done with a lot of 3rd party PE, scratch built parts, my own PE designed parts, many hand drawn 2D CAD drawings for construction. I have since contemplated replacing many of the scratch parts with 3D designed replacements as I've gotten into that realm of modeling, but probably won't as I have other projects in the pipeline. If you have any desires to learn 3D design and printing - do so, that would be a certain benefit in creating the parts you need for the modern version of those ships.

Hope this helps!!
Post Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:19 am
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ModelMonkey wrote:
Good news, the Model Monkey 1/200 scale USS New Jersey BB-62 1944 "round bridge" is being updated for a release date later this summer. The update includes more detail based on later research efforts and will be made available in gray resin. Like many other projects, its release was postponed due to Covid effects on available design time.

The Trumpeter 1/200 scale Iowa was released in 2013. The Model Monkey Iowa class bridge designs were originally released circa 2016.


With that said, for either the 1/350 or 1/200 scale version of this bridge, which kit do you suggest? The Missouri for both, or the Very Fire 1/350 New Jersey? I'm uncertain if that kit includes the original aft mast as well as the tripod.
Post Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:39 pm
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Good news, the Model Monkey 1/200 scale USS New Jersey BB-62 1944 "round bridge" is being updated for a release date later this summer. The update includes more detail based on later research efforts and will be made available in gray resin. Like many other projects, its release was postponed due to Covid effects on available design time.

The Trumpeter 1/200 scale Iowa was released in 2013. The Model Monkey Iowa class bridge designs were originally released circa 2016.
Post Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:33 pm
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bigjimslade wrote:
drdoom1337 wrote:
To build New Jersey in 1/200 scale as she appeared from October 1944 - May 1945, would the Trumpeter Iowa or Missouri kit be more appropriate? Additionally, is there a 1/200 scale round bridge offered in 3d print or cast resin? I've looked and the largest I see is 1/350.


Here's a conversion:

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/model-m ... 4--1024930

It suggests the Missouri Kit.


I wonder if this bridge was designed before the Iowa kit existed? I haven't really looked at either kit extensively because I was planning on doing the 1/350th conversion. The 1/350 veryfire New Jersey does not represent the ship as it was during active combat in WWII, it represents her fit as flagship of the occupation force and perhaps the Korean war if you were to swap some 20mm single mounts for dual mounts.

Knowing Trumpeter, they'll probably choose to release a 1983-84 New Jersey instead of a 1991 Missouri. New Jersey saw far more combat than the other Iowa class ships.
Post Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:31 pm
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Any likelihood of Trumpeter doing a new 1/200 Missouri in her 1991 outfitting?
Post Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:13 pm
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drdoom1337 wrote:
To build New Jersey in 1/200 scale as she appeared from October 1944 - May 1945, would the Trumpeter Iowa or Missouri kit be more appropriate? Additionally, is there a 1/200 scale round bridge offered in 3d print or cast resin? I've looked and the largest I see is 1/350.


Here's a conversion:

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/model-m ... 4--1024930

It suggests the Missouri Kit.
Post Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:42 am
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To build New Jersey in 1/200 scale as she appeared from October 1944 - May 1945, would the Trumpeter Iowa or Missouri kit be more appropriate? Additionally, is there a 1/200 scale round bridge offered in 3d print or cast resin? I've looked and the largest I see is 1/350.
Post Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:19 am
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Fliger747 wrote:
The Engineering plants from Illinois and Kentucky new split with 1/2 of each ships plant (2 shafts) going to the AOE's of the Sacramento Class. I wonder if the components were used but re arranged within a newly designed Engineering box? .


It is likely. Even on Iowa-class each engine room is laid out differently because the gearbox/turbine-pair assembly is aligned with the propeller shaft. The relative positions of the gearbox/turbine/main condenser stay the same. The arrangement of the upper levels of the boiler rooms are largely the same.

The same components were used on different type of ships.
Post Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:19 am

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