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Yeah we only allow image files to be uploaded (e.g. .JPG). There are websites that let you convert PDFs to JPGs. Alternatively, you can take a screen shot of the section of the drawing you want to show and save that as an image to upload here.

I did a PDF. I could select that. The the forum says I can't upload a PDF file.

Until they remove the strange upload restrictions here, you're SOL.

[quote="DavidP"]file size might be to big to be posted on the site. how big is the file?[/quote]

The upload button was not responding. I shrunk it down but I could not select it.

file size might be to big to be posted on the site. how big is the file?

[quote="NigelR32"]Quick question.. I've been watching Aussie Trekkie remodel the bow on his trumpeter 1/200 Iowa. Looks like Trumpeter got the shape of the Bow deck area wrong, (Fo'c'sle)? so Aussie is using the deck plan to reprofile this area. It would appear to my eye that the gun platforms on Iowa are wider than Mo's, or is the hull beneath it skinnier? No doubt Trumpeter used the same parts for both kits?

So, is the bow skinnier and/or is the gun platform wider?

He is using profiles from the AOTS book. Are these profiles accurate

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Originally, the Iowa and New Jersey had a small vertical bulwark, There was an early upgrade of the AA armament after commissioning but before service that included adding 2x20mm mounts at the bow. This required adding a circular foundation for each gun that extended past the side of the hull and a bulwark that wrapped around.

When the 20mm guns were removed during the Korean War, the foundations and bulwark were removed from the New Jersey and Missouri and replaced with a vertical bulwark. The foundations and bulwark were not removed from the Iowa and Wisconsin.

I tried to upload an original plan showing the dimensions of the wide bulwark but the site is not allowing me to do so. My inclination is not to trust the AOTS profiles.

[quote="DavidP"]originally, they did not have those bow tubs as built. take a look at the links & you'll see no bow tubs when launched.[/quote]

Thanks David, I saw that earlier. The issue I have is that there are models where the bow tub is blended into, or the same profile in plan view as the hull. I think I have now worked out that at some point in her career, post 50's Mo had the wide tub removed and the sheet metalwork was faired into the hull, hence my confusion.

I have ordered the AOTS book and already have the brilliant Iowa class battleships by Robert Sumrall. I need to start some research I think...

originally, they did not have those bow tubs as built. take a look at the links & you'll see no bow tubs when launched.

[quote="DavidP"]Iowa Up close and personal. Iowa (BB-61) inside floating dry-dock ABSD-2, 28 December 1944 http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/016141.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/61a.htm

Missouri Bow view looking aft from inboard end of drydock http://navsource.org/archives/01/063/016338.jpg
Port side of upper bow looking inboard from side of drydock. http://navsource.org/archives/01/063/016311a.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/63a.htm[/quote]

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my query David.. I feel quite stupid now.. however, I have been looking through some built model pics and found that the Missouri models I've seen don't have the "overhang" on the gun platforms, yet clearly the beautiful pics you have linked above do show that both ships had, to the naked eye, identical Bows?

So, are certain kits incorrect? Was there a change to this area during Mo and Iowas' long careers? I will obviously do a lot of research before I start my build, but for now I'm a little confused.

Edit:- It would appear that there are just inaccurate models out there?

Nige

Iowa Up close and personal. Iowa (BB-61) inside floating dry-dock ABSD-2, 28 December 1944 http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/016141.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/61a.htm

Missouri Bow view looking aft from inboard end of drydock http://navsource.org/archives/01/063/016338.jpg
Port side of upper bow looking inboard from side of drydock. http://navsource.org/archives/01/063/016311a.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/63a.htm

Quick question.. I've been watching Aussie Trekkie remodel the bow on his trumpeter 1/200 Iowa. Looks like Trumpeter got the shape of the Bow deck area wrong, (Fo'c'sle)? so Aussie is using the deck plan to reprofile this area. It would appear to my eye that the gun platforms on Iowa are wider than Mo's, or is the hull beneath it skinnier? No doubt Trumpeter used the same parts for both kits?

So, is the bow skinnier and/or is the gun platform wider?

He is using profiles from the AOTS book. Are these profiles accurate

thanks

Thanks Steve.

David

[quote="BB63Missouri"]Hi Steve,
Can you supply the blast hoods for the 5" mounts in 1/96 scale?
David[/quote]
Hi David,

Yes! Pairs of blast hoods are now available. Link:
https://www.model-monkey.com/product-page/1-96-blast-hoods-for-5-38-cal-mounts

[edit: photos added]

The Navy built guns out of standard components and mixed and matched.

For example, the Mk 28 Mod 2 mount could come with 2 different shields.

Hi Steve,
Can you supply the blast hoods for the 5" mounts in 1/96 scale?
David

Thank you for that info ModelMonkey!!!!

[quote="Thomas E. Johnson"]Are the correct 5” gun houses from I believe Shapeways worth the $250 for a set of 10 for the 1/200 Missouri worth the high cost vs the ones that come with the kit, which I believe are the type of 5” gun houses used on cruisers and not battleships?
It’s an awful expensive correction upgrade when you have to work on a budget....[/quote]
Hi Tom,

Ten Model Monkey 1/200 scale 5"/38 Mk.28 mounts for fast battleships cost $80, printed in gray resin available directly from me (photos below). I hope that much better fits your budget.

Cheers!

[quote="BB62vet"]T. E. Johnson wrote:
Quote:
Are the correct 5” gun houses from I believe Shapeways worth the $250 for a set of 10 for the 1/200 Missouri worth the high cost vs the ones that come with the kit, which I believe are the type of 5” gun houses used on cruisers and not battleships?
It’s an awful expensive correction upgrade when you have to work on a budget....

As I mentioned on my USS NEW JERSEY build several years ago, the Trumpeter kit 5"/38 gun mounts are INCORRECT for modern U.S. battleships (IOWA, NORTH CAROLINA, SODAK classes). Those kit mounts belong as you said on cruisers.

I purchased the Model Monkey Dual 5"/38 cal gun mounts which he offers for the 1:200 scale MISSOURI & IOWA Trumpeter models. I highly recommend spending the money on them. The ones he NOW produces are resin 3D printed items and not the std. plastic version that Shapeways still sells. You would go thru his website, etc. rather than Shapeways.

Yes, it is an expense - I fully understand that - and when I discovered this HUGE Trumpeter mistake I almost gagged, but....in the end realized for everything else I was putting into the model, I could not afford to end up displaying a model of this size and quality with incorrect mounts. Just my personal feelings.

Hope this helps,

Hank[/quote]

Thank’s for your insight Hank. I still need to shell out the $$$ for the 3D printed 40mm & 20mm guns for the model, as well as the 3D printed gun tubs for all the quad mounts. This is the first and last 1/200 model I’m going aftermarket for. All the other 1/200 kits are getting built from the box with the exception of some 3D printed parts that might make building the ship easier.....

T. E. Johnson wrote:
Quote:
Are the correct 5” gun houses from I believe Shapeways worth the $250 for a set of 10 for the 1/200 Missouri worth the high cost vs the ones that come with the kit, which I believe are the type of 5” gun houses used on cruisers and not battleships?
It’s an awful expensive correction upgrade when you have to work on a budget....

As I mentioned on my USS NEW JERSEY build several years ago, the Trumpeter kit 5"/38 gun mounts are INCORRECT for modern U.S. battleships (IOWA, NORTH CAROLINA, SODAK classes). Those kit mounts belong as you said on cruisers.

I purchased the Model Monkey Dual 5"/38 cal gun mounts which he offers for the 1:200 scale MISSOURI & IOWA Trumpeter models. I highly recommend spending the money on them. The ones he NOW produces are resin 3D printed items and not the std. plastic version that Shapeways still sells. You would go thru his website, etc. rather than Shapeways.

Yes, it is an expense - I fully understand that - and when I discovered this HUGE Trumpeter mistake I almost gagged, but....in the end realized for everything else I was putting into the model, I could not afford to end up displaying a model of this size and quality with incorrect mounts. Just my personal feelings.

Hope this helps,

Hank

Are the correct 5” gun houses from I believe Shapeways worth the $250 for a set of 10 for the 1/200 Missouri worth the high cost vs the ones that come with the kit, which I believe are the type of 5” gun houses used on cruisers and not battleships?
It’s an awful expensive correction upgrade when you have to work on a budget....

need a crane for the ship's boat. http://navsource.org/archives/01/061/016137c.jpg