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Topic review - Calling all HMS "Mighty" Hood fans
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all HMS "Mighty" Hood fans  Reply with quote
Hi Frank

It's not a problem. Thank you very much for huge help :))
best regards
chris
Post Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:04 pm
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chazi wrote:
Hello Frank

I recived email from You even 3 :))). Thank You very much for fast answer an sa high detailed.
I hope for help for my bulding model.
Best regards
Chris


You got all three? I am sorry for sending so many...but my email program was giving me a lot of trouble. My final email had the most updated information (the one with the links).
Post Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:45 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all HMS "Mighty" Hood fans  Reply with quote
Hello Frank

I recived email from You even 3 :))). Thank You very much for fast answer an sa high detailed.
I hope for help for my bulding model.
Best regards
Chris
Post Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:03 am
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chazi wrote:
Hello everybody

Does anybody can help with HMS hood hull? I have in my shipyard model from polish publisher Haliński in scale 1:200 and I'm looking for hull plating (shell expansion) to make an imitation of hull plating (underwater part of hull).

thank you for help
best regards
chris


Hi Chris,

Just curious, but did you ever get my email response from last week? You had contacted our association directly, and they asked me to answer you, which I did. I have had no reply from you, so I am checking to see if you every got my email. Please let me know.
Post Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:06 pm
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chuck wrote:
Why leave a gaping hole in the middle of a platform?

We don’t know, but we see evidence not only in the official plans but in at least one photo...so sensible or not, it was there. It’s not the only odd feature on Hood.
Post Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:01 pm
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Hi, me too! :thumbs_up_1:

I would also appreciate greatly information of the condensator water inlets, and other bigger openings below the waterline, how they look at outside. I think, those seacocks are only cone-shaped holes in outside bottom?

Br:VilleH
Post Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:59 am
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all HMS "Mighty" Hood fans  Reply with quote
Hello everybody

Does anybody can help with HMS hood hull? I have in my shipyard model from polish publisher Haliński in scale 1:200 and I'm looking for hull plating (shell expansion) to make an imitation of hull plating (underwater part of hull).

thank you for help
best regards
chris
Post Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:29 am
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all HMS "Mighty" Hood fans  Reply with quote
Why leave a gaping hole in the middle of a platform?
Post Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:17 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all HMS "Mighty" Hood fans  Reply with quote
Nice timing! thanks guys, I am still working on this section so can incorporate it. ( Trumpeter 1/200). Regards, Pete in RI
Post Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:47 pm
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SovereignHobbies wrote:
Interesting. It's "hidden in plain sight" on the plans:

Looking at the platforms above and below I'm also none the wiser why it was there. There's a 500 gallon fire water tank below it. Or was.


Yes indeed… It’s been right there in front of our noses all along. I’d noticed that the platform was not entirely symmetrical but had missed that open bit. Of course, that’s the way it is with a lot of little details on Hood! They’re right there in our faces, but we don’t notice some of them until a new picture is found or someone new takes a fresh look, etc.

Anyway, I compared and contrasted the ‘40 plans with the ‘31 plans and see that that particular area was originally the rear edge of the platform. The earlier plan shows stanchions and a scuttle in the area. Interestingly a comparison of the two also shows something missing from the ‘40 plans: the door to the UTPR… It’s on the starboard side between the aft ladder and the porthole. Apparently the draughtsman forgot it.
Post Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:57 pm
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Interesting. It's "hidden in plain sight" on the plans:

Image

Looking at the platforms above and below I'm also none the wiser why it was there. There's a 500 gallon fire water tank below it. Or was.
Post Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:31 pm
  Post subject:  Latest Flyhawk Hood Update and New Detail "Find"  Reply with quote
Greetings All,

1. Flyhawk Hood Update - The researchers at Flyhawk are still hard at work on their two versions of Hood. I'm VERY encouraged by what I'm hearing from them right now...namely that they are asking about extremely detailed things, plus they have even found a detail that EJ and I have previously missed. That tells me that they are REALLY going for accuracy.

As for when the kit will be released and how much it will cost, I have no idea. All I can say is that we shall keep answering questions/providing information to Flyhawk for as long as they wish it. I'm sorry, in advance, if this upsets anyone who thinks its taking too long or feels that too much detail will raise the price (the gripes we heard during the Pontos 1/200 detail set research). In the end, its up to Flyhawk to determine how detailed the kit will be, when it will be produced and what the price will be. So, please save your breath (and the rest of us some reading) and please be patient...if these kits are as good as their Bismarck and Prince of Wales, they will be well worth the wait and probably reasonably priced.

2. New "Find" - Apparently, there was a triangular opening in the port/rear area of Hood's Admirals Bridge platform in 1940/41. This was literally an area where there was no deck inboard the platform. To starboard it bordered against the port bulkhead of the Upper Tactical Plotting Room. Its two other edges were lined with short segments of guardrails. We see it in the 1940 bridge plans as well as in at least one photo from 1940. There's no indication that it was removed in her 1941 refit. As for what the opening was for...no clue. I only know that it was there.

Admittedly, this is pretty tiny on a smaller scale kit. So much so that most people can easily opt to ignore it. Its a little more noticeable in larger scales though, so detail-minded folks may wish to consider it. One could always cut out the opening and line it with photoetch rails. Alternatively, one could simulate the opening by painting a black triangle on deck and lining it with photoetch. Of course, one can also simply choose to ignore it entirely. I guess it all depends on the modeler's wishes and/or how far along they are into their builds.

We have updated our 1/350 and 1/200 Trumpeter articles accordingly: http://www.hmshood.com/hoodtoday/models ... ter350.htm & http://www.hmshood.com/hoodtoday/models ... ter200.htm

For those of you who don't want to wait, here is an updated photo link:
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Post Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:15 pm
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Thank you!
Post Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:39 pm
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chuck wrote:
Can any one point to confirmation that bastet aerials were indeed used on the Hood during the 1920s? If so I will included it in the model. They would add a very lively touch to the detailing of the ship.


Not sure about pre 1923, but the WT aerials in question were in use by the time of the 1923/24 Empire Cruise (see photo). Sadly, there's just not enough detail in the earlier photos available to us. That's not to say that none exist, only that the ones we bothered to scan were lacking (or our ancient scanning was lacking). I had hoped that perhaps the construction and trials photos would help (we have great copies of these), but I suspect her rigging was not entirely complete at that point in time. For example, I don't even see her dressing line in those shots...and that's a feature she most definitely had when operational.

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As for the mast itself, the tops of both masts were indeed retractable. As I recall, from talking to veterans, this was of course, to allow clearance under the Forth Bridge (and possibly others). I also seem to recall that the masts were generally left down (or somewhat lowered) when not at sea. When at sea, they were raised to increase range, etc. I also remember reading that the topmost yard was repositionable during her earliest years (That's just a vague recollection and I could be wrong. I really need to go back through my references on that one!).

Speaking of 1920, remember to align her rudder plate fore and aft (it wasn't angled until much later)...see the photo. Also in said photo is some detail for the barrel-mounted flying-off platform support struts (I recall you were looking for this earlier).
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Post Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:30 pm
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AOTS HOod shows the main mast rigging were fairly simple in 1921, with just some stays, trim lines and a few simple wire aerials. Drawings in Burt, on the other hand, shows the main mast carried a number of elaborate wire basket aerials (each consist of about 6 parallel wires held in a circular formation by spacer rings, and stretched between mast heads and down to aerial tube on the boat deck). This are totally absent in ATOS.


I've not seen a photo of Hood in 1921 time frame where the basket aerials are clearly seen. But that may simple be an issue of resolution. Also, it may be possible the basket aerials are only stretched when needed, and taken down when not. I imagine the antennae on the main mast must be easily configurable, because the main top mast seems to be retractable. On some of the photos of the hsip during her world cruise, the maintop mast is elevated to a very impressive height, much higher than the top of foremoast. In majority of the photos the main top masts seems to be retrcted to be about the same height as the foremast.


Can any one point to confirmation that bastet aerials were indeed used on the Hood during the 1920s? If so I will included it in the model. They would add a very lively touch to the detailing of the ship.
Post Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:23 am
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FW_Allen wrote:
Well folks, we've heard back from Flyhawk and not only are they definitely producing a 1/700 as-sunk variant, but they're also looking into producing an earlier variant: 1924. Yes Hood/Empire Cruise fans, you may be getting a kit of Hood at her shiny globetrotting best. We shall see how it works out.



When you say "as sunk" variant, the image of two separate models, one for the front, one for the rear, comes to mind. :big_grin:
Post Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:44 pm
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Well folks, we've heard back from Flyhawk and not only are they definitely producing a 1/700 as-sunk variant, but they're also looking into producing an earlier variant: 1924. Yes Hood/Empire Cruise fans, you may be getting a kit of Hood at her shiny globetrotting best. We shall see how it works out.
Post Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:17 pm
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I forgot to mention another potential on-hand source of info for Hood’s bottom plating: the wreck footage.

The upturned midsection of the hull was imaged in Summer, 2001. Shortly thereafter, David Mearns gave us a number of expedition photos to display on the Hood website. You can find these in the “Hood Today” section of the site at http://www.hmshood.com/hoodtoday/2001ex ... /index.htm
From there, just follow the links for “H.M.S. Hood Wreck” and then “Midsection.”

The photos are small, but there might be just enough detail for you to see how the plates overlapped. It certainly won’t have all the details you require, but combined with other resources, you might be able to work something out. There are also snippets of video in the expedition documentary. If you don’t already own this, you can almost certainly find it on YouTube.
Post Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:00 am
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I had dealings with the Glasgow University archives back in 2017 whilst looking for drawings of HMS Walker
for a model converting the Showcase Models HMAS Vendetta to HMS Walker which was built at William Denny of Dumbarton ,

They did not have ship plans as such it was more like drawings of bolts and plates
mostly the fine detail that was needed in the shipyard - not line drawing that you are after
However they might have better stuff on HMS Hood

I had to go to the National Maritime Museum and ask for specialist help for my quest
for a Refit Bridge for the V & W Class
which was forthcoming - and I got the Plans for HMS Walpole ( Doxford , Sunderland ) -
note to scan this for the first time ever cost me £ 70 ( and it was worth it )

You might have more luck with Glasgow , just have patience however , as it takes time to get a respons
Post Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:32 am
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I’ve had some folks ask (privately) about the status of the Flyhawk 1/700 Hood model. Well, I have nothing to report at this time. We’ve had no reply from them since the initial email a month ago. At that point in time, we directed them to several excellent resources and advised them to steer clear of questionable books (all of this was previously mentioned in an earlier post here). Presumably they are busy with their research. They must, of course, also be working on other projects. So if we hear anything more we will let you know here.

In the meantime, as always, will be scouring photos for more details. The official plans don’t really help for a few areas (at least not for 1941), so it comes down to photos/film.
Post Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:13 pm

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