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For General Info, FFG7 is the same person as DavidP

[quote="FFG-7"]why are the prop shafts a different color then the hull as would have thought both would have been the same color?[/quote]

I suspect the shafts were removed. Documentation shows the bearings in the struts were wood from post WWII to the 80's. Then they were replaced with a phenolic. That would have required removing the end section of the shaft.

The fairwaters on the shaft joints are not in place. They may be in storage on the ship.

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why are the prop shafts a different color then the hull as would have thought both would have been the same color?

Martin,

Thanks for sharing!! Great Photos! I'm glad you included a shot of the ever elusive Docking Keel - that obscure item that befuddles most modelers. :doh_1:

For comparison, here's a couple photos of BB-62 in drydock in 1981 (Long Beach) - my friend Richard Landgraff (now deceased) is standing on the stbd. shaft. These also show the corrosion coupons installed on the ship at the time.

Drydock tour photos posted on the [url=https://www.facebook.com/100063699993541/posts/pfbid021hCbisheVb4rs69GpH9umciD7WeyWAmsiKDNch3JQc4epqXudYGm7hrJiRfYb5Ktl/?][b][u]MW FB page[/u][/b][/url]. Here's a few of the photos:
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If you can get to the Philadelphia Naval Yard, the tour is well worth it!

A summary of things I have seen wrong with kits:

1. Bow knife edge way too wide.
2. Lack of a docking keel
3. The tunnel does not widen forward
4. The twin keels are incorrectly depicted as skegs rather than being integral part of the hull
5. Missing the two knuckles aft in the hull form
6. Missing the half siding under the stern
7. Shaft bossing on twin keels too long or (usually) too short
8. Hull form incorrect so the outer props enter the hull in the wrong place.
9. Hull plating wrong (and over scale)

Discussion: http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=384482

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More interesting things about the ship and the renovation process. After seeing this I'm pretty happy with the props I 3D designed and printed for my 1;192 Missouri.

Cheers: Tom

Pascal,

Thanks again for posting! Quite interesting as things move forward.

Hank

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[quote="Timmy C"]Fairly certain shadowed numbers weren't used during the war.

In any case, these two large images on Navsource from Dec 1944 shows plain white numbers, no shadows:
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Correct. They were 24" high and usually white.
On lighter paint, they could be black.

Shadows came back when camo was removed post war and Haze gray was standardized.
Interestingly, the shading was 'not required during emergencies' So once the Emergency of War was over, it could be used again.

Aug 1946 is the earliest instruction letter I've seen for PacFlt ships to be painted Haze gray (Measure 13).
NAVSHIPS 250-374 Ship Concealment Camouflage Instructions came out in 1953, which is the first post war publication I've seen calling for gray ships. Measure US 27 (Haze Gray) or Measure US 17 (Ocean Gray)
NAVSHIPS 250-374 superseded Ships-2 March 1945 revision, so it took a while to standardize ship painting after the war.

Fairly certain shadowed numbers weren't used during the war.

In any case, these two large images on Navsource from Dec 1944 shows plain white numbers, no shadows:
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Hi,

I am building the USS Iowa [b]late 1944[/b] and I was wondering what her pennant number looks like. Was it [b](i) plain white[/b] or already [b](ii) with a black shadow[/b] as todays USN pennant numbers (as in the above post pic for example)? It was sure very small compared to todays sizes.

Unfortunately, I couldn't find a close-up of her pennant number, thus, I can't tell. Does anybody have a close-up, insight or an idea?

Thx,

Jack

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I am taking lights down there so we can FINALLY get a picture of the docking keel.

Interesting! I hadn't known that the pressure per sq ft on the dry dock floor was an important consideration. The floating dry dock decks must have been hell for stout! He was off on his math by a factor of ten, maybe 90 tons per block rather than 900?

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She seems in good shape. Not the same age.. And operational maintenance ended in 1991.

"However, Section 1011 of the National Defense Authorization Act of 1996 requires the U.S. Navy to reinstate in the Naval Vessel Register two Iowa-class battleships that were struck from the Navy in 1995. These ships must be maintained in the U.S. Navy's reserve fleet, and the Navy must ensure that the two reinstated battleships are in good condition and can be reactivated at any time42. Due to the explosion of the USS Iowa's number 2 turret, the Navy opted for the New Jersey, which was considered less costly to maintain in the reserve fleet. The New Jersey and Wisconsin were therefore reintegrated into the Naval Vessel Register and returned to the reserve fleet.

New Jersey remained in the reserve fleet until Strom Thurmond's National Defense Authorization Act was passed by the U.S. Congress on October 18, 1998. Section 1011 requires the U.S. Secretary of the Navy to maintain the USS Iowa and USS Wisconsin on the Naval Vessel Register, while Section 1012 requests the Secretary of the Navy to remove New Jersey from the Naval Vessel Register and transform it into a non-profit entity in accordance with section 7306 of Title 10 of the U.S. Code. Section 1012 also requires that the battleship remain in the State of New Jersey. The Navy made the transfer in January 1999, and on September 12, New Jersey was towed by the Sea Victory from Bremerton to Philadelphia, where restoration work was carried out to turn her into a floating museum."

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