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Topic review - Calling all RM Littorio class fans!
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!  Reply with quote
Ciao Giampiero,

I am still chewing on the tactical value of having 1-2 aircrafts on the Littorio Class (Reggiane Re.2000) which can be only catapulted off the ship once. I understand, the Reggiane Re.2000 was a long range version, which after being catapulted could land on an airfield. However, I am just picturing a mission scenario. The Roma is on a mission, shots of the Re.2000 for fighter support or reconnaissance and that's it. Resupply with the Re.2000 is only possible in harbor or via a supply ship. It's like going to battle with one magazine in my rifle, shoot it off and that's it. Does'nt sound to my like a great idea. I don't get it?

Can you provide any background what the idea behind this concept was?

Secondly, do you happen to know what the color of the floats were (see pic)? I have seen them in all colors: Red, yellow, orange, khaki, light grey (as the superstructure). I have no clue what the original color is.

Thirdly, do you know what the color of the blast bags were (pls. see second picture)? White, khaki or grey?

Hope things ease slowly off in Italy.

Have a great day,

Jack


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:32 am
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Ciao Jack,

Hi Jack,

I'm glad to share, the information I know.


you too take care and stay healthy,

Regards
Giampiero
Post Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:18 am
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@Giampiero,

Thank you very much for you detailed reply. Will paint the model as you suggested. Woow, you really have an interesting background. Thanks for sharing.

Mille grazie, take care and stay healthy,

Jack
Post Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:58 am
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Ciao Jack,

( but you seem to have a really deep knowledge of the Italian WW2 fleet.)
Yes the first model battleships Roma , Vittorio Veneto e Littorio in scale 1/700 from 1997 to 2011 ,they were mine in resin and Pe, then with the release of the Trumpeter I made the detail sets, even in 350 there was a limited edition of the battleship Roma made in 3D in resin, Pe and barrels between 2005 and 2007. I study military history and history of the Italian Navy
Post Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:55 am
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JackSix wrote:
@Giampiero,

Good to here that you are well and thx for the reply. Sorry to bother you again, but you seem to have a really deep knowledge of the Italian WW2 fleet.

1. I played around with some colors based on your replies, pls. see the attached JPG no. 1. I know it is hard to judge from a computer, but pls. give it a try. Was the deck color more a "dark grey (A)" or a "black grey (B)"?
2. What about the camouflage color. Was it a "blue grey (1)", a "mid-blue grey (2)" or a "dark grey (3)"

Sorry to be a pain in the neck, but I find it very hard to judge from historic b/w pictures and the painting guides/model paintings are all over the place.

A bonus question :smallsmile: I was wondering about flying the Reggiane Re.2000 Cat from the Littorio Class as of the begin 1943 (see pics. no. 2&3). It was not a float plane. It had the gear retracted and was shot of the catapult on a rigg or frame. What is the use? Where does it land when on sea? Did the pilot had to eject with a parachute? Or could you only fly off when close to land. I don't get it. Anyhow, with just one Re.2000 Cat. on board you could do just one flight as you could'nt recover the plane back to the ship. Do you have any idea why it was like that and what's the idea/use?

:thanks: again and stay healthy in my favorite city in Europe (was in Rome again just last summer)

Best regards,

Jack



Ciao Jack,

For hull camouflage , I use the Humbrol 67 , but the color 3 (dark blue grey) is ok , for the deck is better A dark grey , for the red of the bow stripes we use a brick red, not a bright red.

The Re 2000 fighters were embarked for air defense, Vittorio Veneto embarked 2, the Littorio (then Italy after 25 July 1943) 1 and the Roma 2 (but on 8 September 1 was embarked).

Once catapulted and air escorted, they reached the nearest base (Autonomy 740 km (400 nmi))


Best regards,
Giampiero
Post Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:43 am
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Giampiero wrote:
Ciao,

The ship was under construction in Ansaldo in Genoa like the Littorio, so in theory the superstructures should be those of the Littorio.
It was moved to avoid bombing by the French first in Brindisi and then in Trieste to be completed in the CRDA shipyards where Vittorio Veneto and Rome were built, perhaps if it had been completed, it would have had superstructures similar to the battleship Roma.

Saluti Giampiero

thanks!
Post Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:08 am
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!  Reply with quote
@Giampiero,

Good to here that you are well and thx for the reply. Sorry to bother you again, but you seem to have a really deep knowledge of the Italian WW2 fleet.

1. I played around with some colors based on your replies, pls. see the attached JPG no. 1. I know it is hard to judge from a computer, but pls. give it a try. Was the deck color more a "dark grey (A)" or a "black grey (B)"?
2. What about the camouflage color. Was it a "blue grey (1)", a "mid-blue grey (2)" or a "dark grey (3)"

Sorry to be a pain in the neck, but I find it very hard to judge from historic b/w pictures and the painting guides/model paintings are all over the place.

A bonus question :smallsmile: I was wondering about flying the Reggiane Re.2000 Cat from the Littorio Class as of the begin 1943 (see pics. no. 2&3). It was not a float plane. It had the gear retracted and was shot of the catapult on a rigg or frame. What is the use? Where does it land when on sea? Did the pilot had to eject with a parachute? Or could you only fly off when close to land. I don't get it. Anyhow, with just one Re.2000 Cat. on board you could do just one flight as you could'nt recover the plane back to the ship. Do you have any idea why it was like that and what's the idea/use?

:thanks: again and stay healthy in my favorite city in Europe (was in Rome again just last summer)

Best regards,

Jack


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:10 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!  Reply with quote
JackSix wrote:
@Ciao Giampiero,

Thx for your reply. I checked your Humbrol-Color codes (I am painting with Vallejo Model Color). So, if understand you correctly, the grey is a very dark grey, there is no blue in it? Is that correct?

All turrets are all painted on the top with the same color as the deck, the main (3x3 381-mm) AND the secondary (4x3 152-mm) arttillery. Correct?

I guess you are Italian. Just saw the news. I cross my fingers that the awful situation in Italy is going to ease off in the next days.

Thanks, stay healthy and take care of yourselves wherever you are. Greetings from Germany to Italy,

Jack



Ciao Jack,

Yes)
(So, if understand you correctly, the grey is a very dark grey, there is no blue in it? Is that correct?)

Yes also top turret 90 mm in the july 1943 (All turrets are all painted on the top with the same color as the deck, the main (3x3 381-mm) AND the secondary (4x3 152-mm) arttillery. Correct?)

All barrels in the july 1943 in the color dark grey camouflage

Yes Jack, thanks for your message, yes I live in Rome, the situation is difficult but we are at home, we go out only once a week for food expenditure.

Greetings
Best regards
Giampiero
Post Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:56 am
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Ciao,

The ship was under construction in Ansaldo in Genoa like the Littorio, so in theory the superstructures should be those of the Littorio.
It was moved to avoid bombing by the French first in Brindisi and then in Trieste to be completed in the CRDA shipyards where Vittorio Veneto and Rome were built, perhaps if it had been completed, it would have had superstructures similar to the battleship Roma.

Saluti Giampiero
Post Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:50 am
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Giampiero wrote:
thebunkerparodie wrote:
is it possible to do a impero using roma/littorio hull?


Ciao ,

For Battleship Impero you can use the hull Littorio

Regards
Giampiero

thanks arer the superstructure different or not?
Post Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:32 am
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!  Reply with quote
@Ciao Giampiero,

Thx for your reply. I checked your Humbrol-Color codes (I am painting with Vallejo Model Color). So, if understand you correctly, the grey is a very dark grey, there is no blue in it? Is that correct?

All turrets are all painted on the top with the same color as the deck, the main (3x3 381-mm) AND the secondary (4x3 152-mm) arttillery. Correct?

I guess you are Italian. Just saw the news. I cross my fingers that the awful situation in Italy is going to ease off in the next days.

Thanks, stay healthy and take care of yourselves wherever you are. Greetings from Germany to Italy,

Jack
Post Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:42 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!  Reply with quote
JackSix wrote:
Aye, aye sailors,

I am building the Roma, kinda scratch-building, in 1/1200 scale in the camouflage painting/pattern as of 1941. Currently I'm desperately trying to figure out the midship deck color and the top color of the turrets.

What was the midship deck color? I am not sure if the painting guides are historically correct. To my knowledge the Roma had a steel deck (the rear flight deck was wooden covered) and it was painted in a dark, more blackish, grey. However, most of the painting guides show a blue deck color (see attached Trumpeter painting guide).

Secondly, what was the top color of the turrets? Again, most painting guides such as the attached Trumpeter guide suggest the same deck color for the top of all turrets. However, historical pictures (pls. find attached) suggest that top of turrets had the general base "Light Grey" color, Grigio Chiaro.

Anybody an idea, what as of 1941 the midship deck color and the top color of the turrets were?

Thx and stay healthy,

Jack



Ciao Jack,

The camouflage on the battleship Rome was painted in May / June 1942, the steel bridges are as dark as the top of the towers, both large and medium-sized. The lead was passed on the bridges by brushing, I as a color depending on the stocks of the colors I have (Humbrol 27 with a few drops of Humbrol 53) or Humbrol 32.

In the photo you inserted in the post, the ship still had to be delivered to the Navy

Ciao Giampiero
Post Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:36 pm
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thebunkerparodie wrote:
is it possible to do a impero using roma/littorio hull?


Ciao ,

For Battleship Impero you can use the hull Littorio

Regards
Giampiero
Post Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:28 pm
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is it possible to do a impero using roma/littorio hull?
Post Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:08 am
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!  Reply with quote
Aye, aye sailors,

I am building the Roma, kinda scratch-building, in 1/1200 scale in the camouflage painting/pattern as of 1941. Currently I'm desperately trying to figure out the midship deck color and the top color of the turrets.

What was the midship deck color? I am not sure if the painting guides are historically correct. To my knowledge the Roma had a steel deck (the rear flight deck was wooden covered) and it was painted in a dark, more blackish, grey. However, most of the painting guides show a blue deck color (see attached Trumpeter painting guide).

Secondly, what was the top color of the turrets? Again, most painting guides such as the attached Trumpeter guide suggest the same deck color for the top of all turrets. However, historical pictures (pls. find attached) suggest that top of turrets had the general base "Light Grey" color, Grigio Chiaro.

Anybody an idea, what as of 1941 the midship deck color and the top color of the turrets were?

Thx and stay healthy,

Jack


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:30 am
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Below the waterline a hull was painted green.

chazi wrote:
Hi
Does anybody have drawings or photos for a shell plating on Roma class hull?
What was the colour of underwater part of hull? Brownish or green?
Thanks

I would like to make an imitation on my Trumpeter model 1/350 Roma.
Post Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:56 pm
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Hi
Does anybody have drawings or photos for a shell plating on Roma class hull?
What was the colour of underwater part of hull? Brownish or green?
Thanks

I would like to make an imitation on my Trumpeter model 1/350 Roma.
Post Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:52 pm
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Thanks Timmy, saved me some money, I’m a full hull guy and I’ve putty’d my last hull
Post Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:32 pm
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Horizontal waterline split: https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10590578
Post Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:33 pm
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To anyone who has the new 1/350 Littorio kit, does it have full hull split vertically, like Trumpeter has gone to lately or the waterline upper and lower hull like Roma, which was their last kit to feature that?
Post Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:26 pm

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