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Topic review - Calling all RM Littorio class fans!
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all RM Littorio class fans!  Reply with quote
Would anyone happen to have the deck layout for the Roma showing what size of vents went where? Thanks
Post Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:53 am
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Dear all,

I am planning to build the 1:350 Trumpeter Vittorio Veneto as my next project.
Is it me, or am I correct that next to a wooden deck for this specific model, no Photo Etch is available for this kit.
Meaning that it is required to use PE from Roma or general railing/guns of the Littorio class.

Thank you for informing me.


Chris
Post Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:21 am
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Hello everyone

Does anyone knows how looked like a bottom part of hull on these battleships. I mean, Shell platting.
thanks
I juss started to build Roma battleship from trumpeter 1/350 and I would like to make a small upgrate this part of hull.
chris
Post Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:11 am
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Mr. Church wrote:
Eduard did produce a set of detail parts for the AA guns:
https://www.eduard.com/eduard/photo-etched-parts/photo-etched-set/ships/1-350/rn-roma-pt-2-aa-guns-1-350.html

Seems to be discontinued now. Though you might find one still in stock somewhere if you're lucky?


I have it.
In fact, I have set 1 and 2 for long, and planned to use dedicated Trumpeter railings set.
As I recently prepared my project and gathered my already owned stuff for it, I understood that Trumpy set was no more in my quality standards.
I searched for railings and found that set 3 was no more available worldwide !
I managed to find one of the lasts on Earth, using a taobao agent...

but 3d printed items concerning light AA, are far more better than some folded photoetch !

however, more on this current project in "works in progress"
Post Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:52 am
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Eduard did produce a set of detail parts for the AA guns:
https://www.eduard.com/eduard/photo-etched-parts/photo-etched-set/ships/1-350/rn-roma-pt-2-aa-guns-1-350.html

Seems to be discontinued now. Though you might find one still in stock somewhere if you're lucky?
Post Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:42 pm
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too sad they dont do breda twin 20/65 mounts nor twin 37
Post Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:37 am
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For anyone interested, Micro Master of New Zealand now do a whole host of 3D printed accessories in 1/350 scale that will suit the Littorio class, including replacement turrets, replacement liferafts and deck mushroom vents:

https://micromaster.co.nz/collections/italian-navy/1-350-scale

I have no connection with them, bar having bought stuff from them before.
Post Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:50 am
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hello !

as I am gathering some data to prepare my next project, a question is rising :

did Roma removed its main deck berths during 1943 in a refit ?
or did they remain in place (empty) ?

its difficult to find clear 1943 pictures !

thank you.
Post Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:17 am
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I wonder, if Flyhawk would adapt their 1/350 Roma update set for the new Vittorio. That has not happened for Littorio, but who knows?
Post Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:51 pm
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I found these by chance on Ebay when looking for something else. It would be nice if they brought them out in 1/350 scale as well as 1/700:

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There is a set A and a Set B it seems.
Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:49 am
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Got a new Trumpeter's 1/350 Vittorio today. It's a mix of former Roma and Littorio sprues with I suppose, a new R sprue and a new decal sheet. The hull is legacy from Littorio kit.
Post Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:10 pm
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Hi all,

Any chance of a pointer or two, looking at the trumpy Littorio 1/350 kit, given she was shorter than Roma the dimensions look off, any idea if the hill is just a repeated Roma rather than shorter as it should be?

Thanks
Post Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 6:56 pm
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Thanks Giampiero.

It must be a trick of the light in the first photo and the second one must be taken from Littorio and not Roma.
Post Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:30 pm
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Mr. Church wrote:
A question I've been meaning to ask about the Littorio Class, hopefully some Italian Navy expert may know?

Did the Battleship Roma ever carry the red and white aerial recognition stripes on her planked deck aft?

Vittorio Veneto and Littorio certainly did at various points, photos of damaged Vittorio Veneto after being torpedoed at Cape Matapan in March 1941 clearly show it.

The reason I ask about Roma is that if you look at page 249 of this book:
https://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/The-Littorio-Class-Hardback/p/3107
There is a photo listed as taken from Vittorio Veneto with Roma up ahead and appearing to have stripes on her planked deck aft, dated November 12th-13th 1942. It may be an optical illusion caused by shadows of equipment on the deck or the guide rail for the aircraft catapult though? The angle of the photo is too oblique to tell for certain.

Also there is a photo on page 54 of this book:
http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/books-plans/warship-pictorial/wp-37/wp-review.html
Listed as being taken from the aft deck of Vittorio Veneto looking over towards Roma in late 1942. The caption is incorrect however as the ship visible in full is Vittorio Veneto and not Roma. This due to Vittorio Veneto's 1942 splinter camouflage scheme being clearly evident. Unfortunately I don't know the class well enough to tell them apart from views of their aft decks alone. Though obviously the photo is taken from either Littorio or Roma? But it is interesting as it proves that the planked deck aft on at least one of the class was painted in aerial recognition stripes as late as 1942.

I would be curious to hear does anyone know for definite if Roma ever had the aerial recognition stripes painted on her planked deck aft and if so on what date or dates? Thanks.


Ciao ,



The battleships Roma not stripes to deck stern

Regards
Giampiero
Post Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:52 pm
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JackSix wrote:
Thanks @Mr. Church & @Martin,

That's really interesting. Just to clarify, the Vittorio Veneto had the red stripes pattern on the bow & aft, when she was carrying the splinter camouflage scheme? Did I get that right? Woow, that is an interesting mix and if you confirm (@Mr. Church), I will definitely put it on my project list.

Wonder what @Giampiero would say. I think he could clearly provide a solid answer.

Chers,

Jack



Ciao ,

During the mid-June battle the only Littorio had stripes on the aft deck

Regards
Giampiero
Post Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:49 pm
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Ciao

The battleships Roma not stripes to deck stern

Regards
Giampiero
Post Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:35 pm
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JackSix wrote:
Thanks @Mr. Church & @Martin,

That's really interesting. Just to clarify, the Vittorio Veneto had the red stripes pattern on the bow & aft, when she was carrying the splinter camouflage scheme? Did I get that right? Woow, that is an interesting mix and if you confirm (@Mr. Church), I will definitely put it on my project list.




No Jack I don't think so but I can't say definitively not? As per previous message, the caption in the second photo is wrong in the book as it lists the photo as being taken from Vittorio Veneto. This can't be true as the ship visible in the background in the photo is undoubtedly Vittorio Veneto based on her camouflage pattern. So the ship the photo is taken from must be either Littorio or Roma?

Hence my original question about the Roma ever having the camouflage stripes aft or not?
Post Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:11 am
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Thanks @Mr. Church & @Martin,

That's really interesting. Just to clarify, the Vittorio Veneto had the red stripes pattern on the bow & aft, when she was carrying the splinter camouflage scheme? Did I get that right? Woow, that is an interesting mix and if you confirm (@Mr. Church), I will definitely put it on my project list.

Wonder what @Giampiero would say. I think he could clearly provide a solid answer.

Chers,

Jack
Post Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:50 am
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Ok thanks Martin.

Here goes, moderators please delete in the event of copyright problems. I will re-post the entire earlier message for ease of viewing to save on scrolling up and down. All copyright for images rests with original authors. Low resolution images posted for discussion purposes only, no copyright infringement intended. In fact I would highly recommend purchase of both books for any Littorio Class fans.


A question I've been meaning to ask about the Littorio Class, hopefully some Italian Navy expert may know?

Did the Battleship Roma ever carry the red and white aerial recognition stripes on her planked deck aft?

Vittorio Veneto and Littorio certainly did at various points, photos of damaged Vittorio Veneto after being torpedoed at Cape Matapan in March 1941 clearly show it.

The reason I ask about Roma is that if you look at page 249 of this book:
https://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/The-Littorio-Class-Hardback/p/3107
There is a photo listed as taken from Vittorio Veneto with Roma up ahead and appearing to have stripes on her planked deck aft, dated November 12th-13th 1942. It may be an optical illusion caused by shadows of equipment on the deck or the guide rail for the aircraft catapult though? The angle of the photo is too oblique to tell for certain. Photo here:
Attachment:
Roma 1942 taken from Vittorio Veneto.JPG
Roma 1942 taken from Vittorio Veneto.JPG [ 381.86 KiB | Viewed 4191 times ]


Also there is a photo on page 54 of this book:
http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/books-plans/warship-pictorial/wp-37/wp-review.html
Listed as being taken from the aft deck of Vittorio Veneto looking over towards Roma in late 1942. The caption is incorrect however as the ship visible in full is Vittorio Veneto and not Roma. This due to Vittorio Veneto's 1942 splinter camouflage scheme being clearly evident. Unfortunately I don't know the class well enough to tell them apart from views of their aft decks alone. Though obviously the photo is taken from either Littorio or Roma? But it is interesting as it proves that the planked deck aft on at least one of the class was painted in aerial recognition stripes as late as 1942. Photo here:
Attachment:
Vittorio Veneto 1942 taken from other Littorio Class.JPG
Vittorio Veneto 1942 taken from other Littorio Class.JPG [ 350.72 KiB | Viewed 4191 times ]


I would be curious to hear does anyone know for definite if Roma ever had the aerial recognition stripes painted on her planked deck aft and if so on what date or dates? Thanks.
Post Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:11 am
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Mr. Church wrote:
I didn't post the photos as I don't think I can for copyright reasons?

I think if you post them "for discussion purposes only" and post low rez images, you should be ok. Of course, now that I said that, Tracy White will swoop down and smack me for being wrong.
Post Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:30 am

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