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Topic review - At 'Em Arizona Fans!
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Egilman wrote:
MartinJQuinn wrote:
Color discussion whacked. Don't post that sh*t here!


Sincere apologies Martin, I should have known better and checked where it was posted.....

Jeff, could you post that vid over in the Colors & Camo section? it is relevant there as well....

I moved it there earlier.
Post Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:09 pm
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MartinJQuinn wrote:
Color discussion whacked. Don't post that sh*t here!


Sincere apologies Martin, I should have known better and checked where it was posted.....

Jeff, could you post that vid over in the Colors & Camo section? it is relevant there as well....
Post Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 3:39 pm
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'48 would be the earliest, that's when Admiral Radford ordered the flagpole erected on the wreck and declared it's a war grave/memorial....

<SNIP>

Thanks for posting it...
Post Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:20 am
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Right at the 10:00 mark. Notice also Nihoa sailing behind her. I believe this footage to be late 40’s early 50’s.
Post Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:46 am
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Jeff Sharp wrote:
USS Arizona makes an appearance in this home movie footage.


What's the time code Jeff, I missed it..... (looked at it twice)
Post Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:36 am
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USS Arizona makes an appearance in this home movie footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ENLUD8q59o
Post Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 7:32 pm
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Nice. Can you post to the NV/OK thread as well?
Post Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:27 am
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Another Arizona sighting. This one is a crop of a much larger photo dated 10/3/41. She is moored at F-7 with USS Nevada behind her at F-8.
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Post Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:19 pm
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After a quick two week stay in Long Beach, CA., Arizona finally made it to Puget Sound on Oct.21, 1940 for her final refit. This pic of her is dated Nov. 4, 1940. Besides one, there are no visible changes to her appearance yet and it is probably the last photograph of her before the refit commenced. There is however some sort of structure on the back side of her forward most tripod leg just behind the ship's bell. Not sure what that is yet. Maybe just a work shed?
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Post Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:51 pm
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Between the dates of Sept. 13 and Sept. 23, 1940 USS Arizona was moored at Pearl Harbor for the final time that year. She would sail for the States on Sept.23 to receive her final refit at Puget Sound. Here are a series of photos of her during those 10 days at Pearl. She is moored at Berth F-7 outboard of USS Colorado. Ahead of her at F-6 is USS Idaho outboard of USS Tennessee. Aft of her at F-8 is USS Mississippi outboard of USS Nevada. USS West Virginia was at Berth F-5.
A rowing crew belonging to USS West Virginia rows right up to the hull of USS Arizona capturing some nice looks at her.

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Main deck showing the projector booth with the loud speaker scaffolding stowed up against it.
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USS Arizona's midships.
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USS Arizona's bow with the stern of USS Tennessee ahead. Notice the port hole in the lower right. It has bars on it indicating the location of the ship's brig.
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USS Arizona's stern with USS Nevada behind.
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USS Mississippi and USS Nevada.
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USS Idaho and USS Tennessee with USS Arizona behind. Notice in the 2nd picture USS Tennessee already has her MK19 directors installed.
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USS West Virginia at F-5 with USS Idaho and USS Tennessee behind.
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USS Arizona and USS New Mexico sailing for the States on Sept. 23, 1940.
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Post Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:42 pm
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Yes, guests may post on the forum, but all posts have to be manually approved by moderators before they show up.
Post Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:23 pm
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Hi, the post above is mine. I was surprised by this feature of the forum - to post without being logged in. I browsed through the forum and did not realized that I was not logged in. It only asked my some question and it was done. Pretty interesting.
Post Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:14 pm
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Shade of the canvas over casemates corresponds quite well with the surrounding light grey, at least at bw photos.
Here it looks pretty clean:
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while here it already looks more dirty and greasy:
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For comparison - canvas at the first two ships seems to be still in natural color, while canvas at the last two ships is already dyed blue:
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Post Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:14 am
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Here is some more Arizona fun!
This shot is a horribly colorized still from the 4/1/41 film aboard Arizona. Looking past the awful color choices, this shot is very clear and shows very nicely how they tied down the Kingfishers while at sea.
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Black and white version for comparison.
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An interesting side note about this footage. Arizona left Pearl with only two of her three kingfishers aboard. For some reason she left 1-O-1 at Pearl. I often wondered why the film only showed two planes with her. Combing through USS Pennsylvania's deck logs during this time I came across some info about that missing plane.
On March 31st USS Pennsylvania was at Pearl and at 0800 hoisted aboard plane 1-O-1 then left Pearl to meet up with the rest of BATDIV 1 and 3 for exercises.
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On April 1st, flight exercises were conducted and Pennsylvania launched her three planes and 1-O-1.
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Upon completion of the flight exercises, 1-O-1 rejoined USS Arizona.
Post Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:58 pm
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DavidP wrote:
the photograph & the plan are of the port side not starboard as you can see the tailend of the paravane mounted on #2 14" barbette close to #2 5"51cal gun.

Oops! Got my left and right confused!

Here is a look at the canvas casemate covers on 1/23/41. This is the starboard side aft most casemate #9. Still very light at that time.
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Post Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:33 am
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Jeff Sharp wrote:
I'm wondering if the outside of the canvas was painted to match the ship but the inside was left unpainted.


Posting the documentation I have for now:

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Post Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:56 am
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the photograph & the plan are of the port side not starboard as you can see the tailend of the paravane mounted on #2 14" barbette close to #2 5"51cal gun.
Post Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:38 pm
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In the Nov. '41 drydock photo above, you can see her #1 casemate opening for the 5" 51cal gun. Her canvas covering is rolled up above the opening and appears very light. However, this 4/1/41 pic shows the canvas cover of her #2 casemate. This is the first casemate on the port side just aft of her #2 turret. This pic suggests that at least the casemate coverings were not light. I'm wondering if the outside of the canvas was painted to match the ship but the inside was left unpainted.

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Post Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:57 pm
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Any "bright" canvas would be natural canvas. There was an effort to dye canvas blue for camouflage purposes that started in the summer/fall of 1941 (I haven't researched this fully, just some "spray" of documents I came across looking for camouflage in general) but if it's bright, it hasn't been dyed yet.

There was painted canvas but the directives generally called for this in areas where the canvas was exposed to exhaust fumes (think the searchlights on the aft tripod). This was painted a light gray, but I don't have the documentation in front of me and can't remember if it was #5 Standard Navy Gray or another light gray that looked more like natural canvas.
Post Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:21 am
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Hi,
what was, please, the color of the canvas on the USS Arizona before/during attack on the PH?

1. Canvas on the main guns? It looks dark on the photos, but interpreted usually very bright, almost white on the kits (see pictures several posts above)
2. Canvas as a sun protection? It looks very bright (light grey? tan?...)
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3. Canvas covering AA guns? It looks lighter than canvas on the main guns, but darker than the sun protection canvas.
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Thank you.
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