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Topic review - Calling all HMS "Mighty" Hood fans
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Perhaps in response to the imminent Flyhawk release, Trumpeter's re-released their 1941 Hood kit with a full suite of PE/turned brass/wooden deck parts for the ridiculously low price of $35 USD: https://www.hobbyeasy.com/en/data/3zwih ... 1610521194


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Post Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:01 am
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EJFoeth wrote:
This pillar definitely has rope work though


Here's an example of an interior pillar in a forward mess that appears to have had similar rope work. It either has a shiny looking wrap around the centre or that section is painted a dark colour.

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:08 pm
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This pillar definitely has rope work though... (stumbled upon this pic). The sailor painting the pillar is an indication that not all partially white pillars have gaiters (though that would not not explain the rim we see on Hood, making the gaiter the better explanation).
Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:03 am
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Hi All,

Hi EJ thanks for that, makes much more sense, at least I was right that I could've been wrong!

Thanks again
Best wishes
Cag.
Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:14 am
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Wiki: Because of their unusual silhouette, HMS Nelson and her sister Rodney were sarcastically nicknamed Nelsol and Rodnol by the Royal Navy ratings who never served in these ships – their manoeuvrability issues and single-funnelled silhouettes reminded Navy men of oil tankers, and a series of fleet oilers that had been built during the First World War bearing names ending in "ol".
Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:07 am
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Hi All,

Hi Frank, yes the Flyhawk kit looks well, but I'm sure some of that is down to the advice yourself and EJ have no doubt kindly given them. The great thing is that companies like Flyhawk do still ask, and listen.

Hello Guest, Rodnol, please don't take this as red, but I always thought Rodnol was a form of combination of the two ships names in the class, ie Rodney and Nelson, rather like Repulse and Renown being known as "Refit and Repair".

But I could be wrong!

Best wishes
Cag.
Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 4:54 am
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Frank,

Re: Post of 4.17pm 6 Jan.

Thank you for the "steer" on "Rodnol." I now have a connection with page 13 of Raven and Roberts' Man o' War 3 "Battleships Rodney and Nelson" though R and R spell the specific nickname "Rodol:" I won't start a semantic argument. However, for the curious, the addition of the corrupting "ol" in the names of those two ships derives from the similarity of silhouette to oil tankers. A number of naval oilers also had names ending in "OL."

I take in what you say concerning other nicknames. I used some in my time: they were usually plays on a ship's name. Only a few were apparently in use throughout the service. I will not say more.
Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 4:53 am
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Gcj wrote:
First the good news. It seems the Flyhawk HMS Hood is getting near to release


Yes, they are putting the final touches on the design now. We're working on the painting instructions next (which have become a little complicated in recent months due to all the new finds/rediscoveries such as the non-red bottom, brown corticene deck sections, etc.). If all goes well, we hope they can have something out by May or mid-year. I can't really say for certain though.
Post Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:53 pm
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Did someone say Rodnol? BAA!
Sorry, VERY OLD joke (but the Hood veterans I knew did always laugh when they recounted the story).
Seriously though, I have nothing but respect for Rodney and crew for finishing the job in May 1941.

Guest- "Rodnol" was a nickname for the Rodney. Not sure if it was used by the crew or by the men of other ships. I'm sure there were other names for her as well (and of course the infamous wartime sheep reference I started with above). As you well know, ships tend to have various nicknames...some decent for public usage and some that are not so nice. I know old Wobbly, I mean 7Bs, I mean Hood did (those are some of the more acceptable names the lads had for her...you should hear some of the others I was told). By the way, do you have a name you can share with us? We see you posting as "Guest" but it would be nice to know who we're dealing with. Many thanks.

All-
I can't comment on Rodney, but as far as Hood is concerned, there are some well known "classic" interior shots as well as pics from veterans personal collections in which pillars can be seen. There are admittedly not many of these of course (exterior photos far outnumber the interior shots). In some pics, the interior pillars do indeed have some sort of darker covering/wrap in the central area (roughly the same position as the external pillars positioned under the boat crutches). I have no clue what the coverings were made from. I see this in pics of the gun room and one of the ratings messes. On the other hand I've also seen shots of interior pillars with no covering (other than glossy paint). I see this in at least one shot of the chapel and one of the sick berth. Presumably the chapel pillars are the white but I'm not sure about the sick berth (it may have been green according something I was told...of course, I have no "proof" so I guess that makes it grounds for automatic dismissal though...).
Post Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:17 pm
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EJF,

I am confused as to what relevance this has to HMS HOOD? Please explain the meaning of "Rodnol?" Meanwhile, he appears to be making an awful job of it. Paint has got onto the bright work and there are drips on the deck! In place of a canvas gaiter there is one of brass/copper sheet.
Post Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:33 am
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A rather nice example of a prewar Rodnol sailor painting a pillar white, not a sewn-on gaiter, following up from our previous discussion. Of course, no raised lip for the painted variant.
Post Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:28 am
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???????? Sorry, EJF, my crystal ball is in a state of wilful disobedience. What, Where and Wither?
Post Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 8:18 am
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Post Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:50 am
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It looks like they painted the searchlight areas in similar fashion prior to this time as well. Take, for instance, this shot from @1936/early 1937 (the platform in the foreground has a dark interior but the one on the rear superstructure doesn't seem to):
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Post Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 1:12 pm
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Now those are two interesting photos. Thanks. There are no real shadows on the top one which suggests a difused light so not much shade around. Whats interesting is the lack of any change in tone between horizontal and vertical surfaces. If they were different colours I would expect at least a slightly different tone. The bottom one has much stronger light with distinct shadows but to the right of the searchlight the vertical surface is very dark, darker than the shadows in the rest of the photos, which suggests a dark colour rather than just shade or indirect light.
So yes I buy a dark colour probably dark brown but still puzzled as to why. Unless there would be an advantage to painting the surfaces around the searchlight a dark nonreflective colour to reduce light reflection?
Post Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:51 am
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Gcj wrote:
On the subject of brown around the searchlights clearly colour footage is compelling but makes me wonder (never a good thing) about other vertical internal facing surfaces. Would that be brown as well? The trouble is with black and white photos brown and dark grey are going to look pretty similar...


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The inside of the searchlight area is markedly darker than hull colour on some images. Of course, shade makes it quite difficult for most pics. I used to think that it was shade, but that does not really explain why the inside on this pic is darker... Also, in case there was any doubt, there is no corticine on the inside of the vertical surfaces, unless they decided to wrap up everything Christo style.

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And here you see nothing out of the ordinary....
Post Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:15 am
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First the good news. It seems the Flyhawk HMS Hood is getting near to release

Mike E. wrote:
Flyhawk readying to release their announced HMS Hood soon?

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Enjoy!

Mike E.

Sorry not quite got the hang of posting links to othe threads.

On the subject of brown around the searchlights clearly colour footage is compelling but makes me wonder (never a good thing) about other vertical internal facing surfaces. Would that be brown as well? The trouble is with black and white photos brown and dark grey are going to look pretty similar...
Post Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:04 am
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I am tickled (Mountbatten?) Pink that there was actually a Van Dyke Brown given that I've held actual US Navy VanDykes and I'm pretty sure the Royal Navy used them as well.
Post Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:20 pm
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But it still doesn't prove that the inside of the zariba of HMS HOOD's searchlight platform was painted brown.

Brown was still provided to the Royal Navy as of the late 1970's in small quantities for damage control and pipe markings and may
still be for all I know. It was known then as "Golden brown" but was probably of "Dick's" "Vandyke" shade.

The shade jumped on by Frank as used in HMS VANGUARD (1944) on her cable deck was likely to have been the red-brown that was still in use in the mid 1960's but thereafter replaced by what was referred to as "Brunswick green." It was certainly not Vandyke brown. It looked lovely fresh (I can see it now): until the stokers blew soot over it for the first time!
Post Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:27 pm
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dick wrote:
Guest wrote:

.... on the matter of the inside surfaces of the searchlight zariba: I cannot see the logic in anyone laying corticene on a vertical surface. It would be possible to obtain brown paint from non-service sources if the person responsible was prepared to put their hand in their pocket and pay for it: I can recall a stanza in a poem "The Laws of the Navy" by Rear Admiral Hopwood which would "permit" it.



Whilst I am as puzzled as everyone else by this brown surface, there would have been no need to go to non-service sources for such a colour. The contemporary Rate Book lists a paste for paints, Pattern 15W, brown, Vandyke, a colour which does not look so very different to what is seen in Frank's film.
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Many thanks for providing this example Dick!

On a side note, the post about the French warship prompted me to look up colour footage of Vanguard. I remembered watching (a couple of years ago) a short film about her voyage to the breakers. I relocated that on YouTube at https://youtu.be/Db6bgu0gs-g and noticed that she too had a bit of brown on her decks. Of course, this was admittedly nearly 20 years after Hood and on an entirely different section of the ship (it was painted onto her anchor cable rubbing plates). Not the same thing as Hood at all, but at least it shows brown was used elsewhere.
Post Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:58 pm

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