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Topic review - Calling all RN County class fans
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Maarten Schönfeld wrote:
Crossy77 wrote:
... Just a couple of questions,
what colour is the blue/ grey deck colour?
When you say 507A/B is that 2 different colours? ...

The deck colour is officially also AP507A/B, but if you paint your model with the same it will look wrong. Better use a slightly lighter hue on the deck, as it catches more sunlight than the sides.

And about the double indication of the 507A/B: recently it has been concluded these were in fact one and the same colour, 'Home Fleet Grey'. Depending on the lighting conditions it appears darker or lighter - very trivial. So it depends on what look you like on your model you choose either darker or lighter. Personally I opt for the lighter side, taking some of the 'scale effect' into account: this is the apparent lighter appearance of any colour at a distance through atmospheric dilution (think of mountain rows in the distance). More reading here:
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=167359&start=0

Testors 1720 might be an acceptable alternative, and so might Humbrol 144. Not exact, but maybe close enough for your purpose.


Thanks heaps mate for the information
Post Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:05 pm
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Quincy wrote:
Aoshima is coming out with a correct 1/700 scale Dorsetshire, and a Cornwall kits. The Cornwall kit has the pleasant addition of an S-Class DD kit included. ETA, towards the end of this year!

Bob Pink. :wave_1:

That is certainly good news for the 1/700 adepts, but Combrig will like it less, their Kent class will not be so popular anymore.

Someone maybe looking into converting the new Dorsetshire into a London class? Shouldn't be too difficult I think!
Post Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:13 am
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Brett Morrow wrote:
Where is the official documentation that the deck was 507A/B ? No AP prefix

I wouldn't know. Never seen officially stated that Cornwalls deck were painted that colour.
Post Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:17 am
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Where is the official documentation that the deck was 507A/B ? No AP prefix
Post Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:17 am
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Crossy77 wrote:
... Just a couple of questions,
what colour is the blue/ grey deck colour?
When you say 507A/B is that 2 different colours? ...

The deck colour is officially also AP507A/B, but if you paint your model with the same it will look wrong. Better use a slightly lighter hue on the deck, as it catches more sunlight than the sides.

And about the double indication of the 507A/B: recently it has been concluded these were in fact one and the same colour, 'Home Fleet Grey'. Depending on the lighting conditions it appears darker or lighter - very trivial. So it depends on what look you like on your model you choose either darker or lighter. Personally I opt for the lighter side, taking some of the 'scale effect' into account: this is the apparent lighter appearance of any colour at a distance through atmospheric dilution (think of mountain rows in the distance). More reading here:
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=167359&start=0

Testors 1720 might be an acceptable alternative, and so might Humbrol 144. Not exact, but maybe close enough for your purpose.
Post Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:50 am
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Brett Morrow wrote:
Some sources quote her wooden decks were unpainted.
Available photo evidence is inconclusive, I have seen no official documentation to support it as fact.
Given that time period and theatre it is very likely that at the time of her loss her wood decks would have been painted dark deck grey or an equivalent.
Unlike some of her counterparts serving in the Med which did have blue grey decks, exact colour unknown, she was not there so IMO they were unlikely to have been blue grey, subject to further findings.
Whilst trying to avoid kicking up the nest, if you check the Sovereign site you will see that Narn 20 was one of the same colour 507A/B, what is perceived by the eye or the camera for that matter is dependent on LRV, and gloss level.
If you read the PDF 507 series report it may explain things better than I.
As I mentioned in the previous post it is likely she was painted overall in Narn 20, but she may have been in the 50/50 Narn 24 mix.
I am unsure of when the 50 mix was directed for application, or if it was applied in that theatre at that time.



Thanks heaps mate for your help
Post Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:56 pm
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Some sources quote her wooden decks were unpainted.
Available photo evidence is inconclusive, I have seen no official documentation to support it as fact.
Given that time period and theatre it is very likely that at the time of her loss her wood decks would have been painted dark deck grey or an equivalent.
Unlike some of her counterparts serving in the Med which did have blue grey decks, exact colour unknown, she was not there so IMO they were unlikely to have been blue grey, subject to further findings.
Whilst trying to avoid kicking up the nest, if you check the Sovereign site you will see that Narn 20 was one of the same colour 507A/B, what is perceived by the eye or the camera for that matter is dependent on LRV, and gloss level.
If you read the PDF 507 series report it may explain things better than I.
As I mentioned in the previous post it is likely she was painted overall in Narn 20, but she may have been in the 50/50 Narn 24 mix.
I am unsure of when the 50 mix was directed for application, or if it was applied in that theatre at that time.
Post Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:41 pm
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Brett Morrow wrote:
May I suggest an alternative, the Sovereign hobbies RN colour range may be a better choice.
At the time of her loss she would have been in NARN 20 (507A/B), but she may also have been in NARN 24 (507A/C 50mix)
Dick or James may be able to elaborate further.

Thanks heaps mate, I can get that paint range.
Just a couple of questions,
what colour is the blue/ grey deck colour?
When you say 507A/B is that 2 different colours?
I’ve sprayed sovereignty paints before(just MM are the local paints with tamiya and Gunze) what thinners and thinning ratio do you use?

Thanks heaps
Post Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:29 pm
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May I suggest an alternative, the Sovereign hobbies RN colour range may be a better choice.
At the time of her loss she would have been in NARN 20 (507A/B), but she may also have been in NARN 24 (507A/C 50mix)
Dick or James may be able to elaborate further.
Post Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:24 pm
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Maarten Schönfeld wrote:
Crossy77 wrote:
Just got trumpeter’s HMS Cornwell today, was wondering if out of the box represents her configuration when she was sunk?

I believe the answer is yes, although her colours were AP507B instead of AP507C by that time.


Thanks heaps mate,

I’m pretty new to ship modelling, and do apologise if this has been asked before, is there a testors MM match for AP507b?

Regards
Post Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:15 am
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Crossy77 wrote:
Just got trumpeter’s HMS Cornwell today, was wondering if out of the box represents her configuration when she was sunk?

I believe the answer is yes, although her colours were AP507B instead of AP507C by that time.
Post Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:53 pm
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Aoshima is coming out with a correct 1/700 scale Dorsetshire, and a Cornwall kits. The Cornwall kit has the pleasant addition of an S-Class DD kit included. ETA, towards the end of this year!





Bob Pink. :wave_1:
Post Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:07 pm
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Just got trumpeter’s HMS Cornwell today, was wondering if out of the box represents her configuration when she was sunk?
Post Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:26 am
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Dick and Admiral John Byng,

Thanks for your further clarification!
Post Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:21 pm
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Berwick was a county at the time of the WW2 era County Class cruiser HMS Berwick:

https://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/ ... shire.html

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov. ... /c/F269524
Post Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:46 am
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London was a county at that time; the LCC was the London County council.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_County_Council

According to this article the name Berwick comes from the WWI cruiser and is for the Scottish county (perhaps because the Monmouth Class ship was built in Scotland?):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Berwick_(1902)
Post Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:34 pm
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Hi Gernot,

Yes, you are making certainly a good point. Thanks! These names would only make sense when -shire is added. And the Monmouth class was also dubbed the County class.

Maarten
Post Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:18 am
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Interesting digression indeed.
I'll go with ... tradition. It is true the ships had counties as their namesakes, but also, the names were a continuation of the name in the Royal Navy.
As such, I found that there were quite a few with the same quirck, just looking at the previous County (or Monmouth) class: apart from Berwick, there were also Bedford, Lancaster, and Monmouth herself for that matter.
Post Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:09 am
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tjstoneman wrote:
Minor detail - Berwick(shire) was a county, when the class was built - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berwickshire
"Devonshire" is/was often used colloquially, although "Devon" is/was usually used on official documentation.
"Dorsetshire" is a more archaic usage.

Hi tjstoneman,
Thank you for these corrections and annotations!

Berwick (without -shire) seems to refer only to the town, not to the historical Scottish county. And while the name givers bent themselves for Dorsetshire and Devonshire, why not then on Berwickshire?

It seems only English county/shire names were used for these ships, Welsh or Scottish counties weren't considered apparently. Maybe an indication of the English dominance in the Royal Navy? Or the use of traditional ship names for commemorative reasons, not uncommon in naval ships? But on the other hand, with the Town class the names were taken more liberally, Edinburgh, Glasgow and Belfast all being named in that class.

Berwick(-upon-Tweed) was already a town in England since 1551 (although long disputed by Scotland after that date.) It remained a county in its own right until 1885, and was included in Northumberland then. So by 1926 when this cruiser was commisioned there wasn't a county Berwick(shire) anymore. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berwick-upon-Tweed

According to this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Berwick all RN ships with the name Berwick refer to the town, not the county. But I know, Wikipedia is not always the right source!
Post Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:50 am
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Minor detail - Berwick(shire) was a county, when the class was built - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berwickshire
"Devonshire" is/was often used colloquially, although "Devon" is/was usually used on official documentation.
"Dorsetshire" is a more archaic usage.
Post Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:57 am

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