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Topic review - Calling all RN County class fans
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Hello Mike, thanks a lot for both links, they are very helpful, especially the film! There apparently were differences between bridges of Kent and Australia, e.g. the latter had it all planked level with Kent´s compass platform. Many thanks!
Post Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:46 am
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Vlad:

For panoramic bridge details, see the 16:00-16:21 minute mark in this film:

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item ... 1060009592

You might also want to visit this build log for additional useful info:

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/ind ... iser-1941/

HTH

Mike E.
Post Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:08 am
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Hi mates,

another question for you: can you please post some photos showing details of the compass bridge arrangement and floor planking of the Kent class, similar to this famous photo featuring Captain E.F.V. Dechaineux DSC on the bridge of HMAS Australia on September 4th, 1944?

Also any other details like usual dimensions of the corticene planks etc. would be apreciated.

Thanks!


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Post Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:27 am
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Good question. I think there are perhaps even three 4in ready ammo lockers - the third one is the object on which the 5 shells are seen. It is oriented perpendicularly to the other two, parallel to the ship´s axis with doors on the forward facing side.
Post Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:07 am
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It looks like there are two 4in. ready use lockers. One behind and to the right and one to the left of the gun mount. Would one shell be taken from each by the loaders or would one locker be emptied and then they would start on the next?

As both lockers are open I would guess the former, but does anyone know if that is correct?
Post Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:33 am
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Thanks to both of you, I think you are right!
Post Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:35 pm
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My guess, I go along with EJ Foeth: five 4" shells taken from the locker, and prepared having their timer fuses set?
Post Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:26 pm
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You mean 4in shells in case of Australia... Would they be removed from the ready locker and placed there for faster reloading? Was this usual practice in RN or RAN?
Edit: Sorry EJFoeth, I read your message and replied on the phone and thought you meant 5" shells - but you referred to the number not the size. You were right, I was wrong :thumbs_up_1:
Post Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:41 pm
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Looks like 5 shells?
Post Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:28 pm
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Hello guys,

would anyone have an idea about the object to the right from the 4in ready ammo locker on HMAS Australia, marked by red arrow on the famous photo below of Australia hit by the Betty off Leyte? There are apparently open doors of the ammo lockers and behind them to the right there are some shelfs? or pipes? on the facing side of a large "box". I tried to locate something similar on other class members but to no avail so far.

Thanks!


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Post Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:32 am
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Maarten Schönfeld wrote:
KevinD wrote:
For all you three funnel County Class fans :heh: , here is a glimpse of what Exeter (and York) would have looked like if built as conceived ca1928. (Pardon if it has been posted earlier, as I did not look through the whole thread.)

Yeah, funny isn't it, the York class owes a lot to the Counties... At least York retained the slant funnels, in Exeter they were straight up again, back to WW1 looks!


Maartin, my apologies, I must have missed this when first you posted, only noticing it today when the latest 'post notice' came in, so...............

Yes, nothing like those aft slanted funnels to give the enemy no doubt regards which way you are heading / facing. :smallsmile: :wave_1:
Post Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:35 am
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This is my build of HMAS Canberra as she appeared in May 1942. She’s not complete, but all of the major scratch building has been completed here. Base kit is Trumpeters 1/350 Kent.


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Post Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:07 am
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Hi Richard,
it is probably a safe assumption that the pattern on the decks is connected to the one on the sides - perhaps that small part of the visible deck can be used to verify that?

Cheers,
Lars
Post Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:49 am
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maxim wrote:

Do you research also the pattern of Kent in September 1940 in more detail? On Steelnavy, Richard (I am not sure if he is the one who contributed to the documentation of the 1941/42 pattern) found a lot of useful information, e.g. that she had the three colour camouflage already before the torpedo hit and likely the pattern covered also the decks.


As Jamie says, that is me. I think there are plenty enough photos to draw the September 1940 camouflage scheme on the hull and superstructure. The problem would be the pattern on the decks. The IWM film shows one small area of the quarterdeck. I have two other photos showing bits of the painted deck elsewhere. How we depicted the deck would be based on a hunch (semi-guess!) as to what these three images might be telling us about the overall pattern.

Richard
Post Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:16 am
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KevinD wrote:
For all you three funnel County Class fans :heh: , here is a glimpse of what Exeter (and York) would have looked like if built as conceived ca1928. (Pardon if it has been posted earlier, as I did not look through the whole thread.)

Yeah, funny isn't it, the York class owes a lot to the Counties... At least York retained the slant funnels, in Exeter they were straight up again, back to WW1 looks!
Post Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:27 am
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For all you three funnel County Class fans :heh: , here is a glimpse of what Exeter (and York) would have looked like if built as conceived ca1928. (Pardon if it has been posted earlier, as I did not look through the whole thread.)


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Post Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:12 am
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Thanks both for your prompt and helpful replies!
Post Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:07 am
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ChrisP wrote:
Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me. I'm thinking of getting the 1/350th Trumpeter HMS Kent, and I wanted to know whether the ship can be built waterline, or if I'd have to 'bury' the lower hull or cut it off.
Also, in the white/yellow East Indies Station colours, is the boot topping for county class cruisers red or black? It appears very dark in photos, but I know that black and white film sometimes causes red to appear as black. Thanks in advance for any help with this!

Hi Chris,
The boot topping is certainly black, not red.
Before WW1, in the German Imperial Navy the 'China Station' cruisers like Emden had white hulls (and yellow superstrucyure/funnels), with a narrow red line along the deck edge. Maybe you have that image in mind, but to my knowledge this was never ever used in the Royal Navy.
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Post Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:35 am
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Hi Chris,

The County class kits are moulded full hull without any internal cut line moulded in so you'd either be burying the hull in a foam sea base (or equivalent) or marking and cutting down yourself.
Post Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:29 am
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Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me. I'm thinking of getting the 1/350th Trumpeter HMS Kent, and I wanted to know whether the ship can be built waterline, or if I'd have to 'bury' the lower hull or cut it off.
Also, in the white/yellow East Indies Station colours, is the boot topping for county class cruisers red or black? It appears very dark in photos, but I know that black and white film sometimes causes red to appear as black. Thanks in advance for any help with this!
Post Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:13 am

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