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Topic review - Calling all IJN Takao (高雄) class fans
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Jon C Ryckert wrote:
Yes, but I was comparing how he depicted the linoleum strips on the main deck to those on the airplane deck on drawing H18/3.


Hi, I didn´t do comparison-check since my aot book is still at his place in Krakow.(he stopped sending books and materials to other countries as they were found stolen at the local post office)

In stead, I tried to look into the aircraft deck area and the pattern of lino stripes from another source.
It ought to be like this pr attached illust. of mine. Shown with yellow lines. Got the stripes info from a pic of ex captain of Atago where the a/c deck surface is visibe .The Chokai might have had the same,also counting the ending of the stripes from the stern.Takao and Maya seemingly must have had extra stripes longditudinally on either side here,too

cheers,
mutsuo


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Post Posted: Tue May 19, 2020 3:56 am
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Understood. Can't really explain the different pattern. Different wear and stress, I imagine.
Post Posted: Mon May 18, 2020 3:05 pm
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Yes, but I was comparing how he depicted the linoleum strips on the main deck to those on the airplane deck on drawing H18/3.
Post Posted: Mon May 18, 2020 4:30 am
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18/2??? That's a top down, cutaway view under the aircraft deck.
Post Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 2:54 pm
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Thanks. I saw those lines but thought they were different as they are drawn differently in other drawings (e.g. H18/2)in the book.
Post Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 9:16 am
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No, I am also looking at H18/3. Those are tie-down strips between the rails. Only the turntables are treaded between the rails.
Post Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 8:56 am
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Dan K wrote:
The AOTS book shows linoleum between the trolley rails.There is one photo of Atago in 1942 that shows what might be brass tie-down strips in this area. It's not clear.



Are you referring to plan veiw H17/2 on page 220? I am looking at plan veiw H18/3 on page 223.
Post Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 8:10 am
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The AOTS book shows linoleum between the trolley rails.There is one photo of Atago in 1942 that shows what might be brass tie-down strips in this area. It's not clear.
Post Posted: Sat May 16, 2020 7:05 pm
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The wood color is to be considered as linoleum covered area and not a wooden covered one.

So the question is : was this zone painted metal covered, or reddish brown colored linoleum covered.
Post Posted: Sat May 16, 2020 5:34 pm
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I have the 1/350 Aoshima 1/350 Takao 1942 and the instructions call for a ' H37 Wood Brown' between the trolley rails on the aircraft deck. Are they correct in calling out a wood color? My Anatomy of the Ship Takao shows steel deck. Which is right? Thanks for any replies.
Post Posted: Sat May 16, 2020 3:48 pm
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I hope to see it someday. :smallsmile:
Post Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 11:41 am
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The cable is approximately 4,5 meter beow the shield deck level at the midter-section was my renewed observation.
Will be sending this info with visual proof from Tawitawi to a certain shipbook co. in the homeland. A book is slated to come out probably next year if everything goes well,suppose no typhoon or a new corona info/pandemic stop them.

mucho,
Post Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 1:39 am
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Yea, about the cable, ships with DC-current system can be equipped with deg. cable. All Takao class cruisers had DC.
Whereas, Oyodo had AC-current system. The degaussing cable gets power from DC-current, but can´t do this from AC-current ships. This could be the reason why the cable was omitted from Oyodo. Re AA cruiser Isuzu if she was with Dc-current,it could receive the cable installation after the trial run was over.


I learn something new every day.

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,I think this very much looks like dissected 9 pcs of coiled cable.


Hmmm... there's definitely something there.
Post Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 8:11 pm
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hi,
There is a bit more to checking of Chokai´s underwater image. I feel this seems to match the drawing of her. Again,the cable most probably got off when scuttling by Fujinami´s torpedoes.
Re.Maya it will be a boon to research efforts if one can find image(s) of her from R/V Petrel´s movie.When it was first introduced on the net last year, Dan got in touch with me,then I might have said to him that some visual proof of pesence of the degaussing cable is found in the movie. Have kept it since. In the image posted anew, there is something that looks like Edward´s scissors hand,I think this very much looks like disected 9 pcs of coild cable.


cheers,
mucho,


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ASIIJN Cruiser Maya -.jpg
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ASIIJN Cruiser Maya -a.jpg
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Post Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 7:22 pm
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Hi,

this maybe old news... nice 3D model of TAKAO as in 1942 :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqFXVa1zSaY

Is this a good and "correct" model?

Bye :wave_1:
Post Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 7:20 am
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I don't know whether IJN ships used a DC or AC main system supply. Ships typically had multiple voltage/frequency electrical supplies. But regardless, the degausing system would need it's own DC power supply that could be varied to reduce the ship's magnetic signature. An AC to DC converter could be used for this.

The minesweeper I served on had primary 60 Hz and 400Hz AC supplies and a DC degausing system.

Phil
Post Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 11:20 pm
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Yea, about the cable, ships with DC-current system can be equipped with deg. cable. All Takao class cruisers had DC.
Whereas, Oyodo had AC-current system. The degaussing cable gets power from DC-current, but can´t do this from AC-current ships. This could be the reason why the cable was omitted from Oyodo. Re AA cruiser Isuzu if she was with Dc-current,it could receive the cable installaton after the trial run was over.

cheers,
Post Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 10:29 pm
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Thanks for posting the drawing, Mucho.

Isn't the "argument" really about whether or not Maya was equipped with the cable after her rebuilding? Or is it possible that the cable was internal? Oyodo and re-built Isuzu are what come to mind about ships without an external cable.
Post Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 8:01 pm
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Illustrator of the then Kawasaki Shipbuilding co.,mr.Hayashi Kanji.was certain that Maya had degaussing cable,and,he said he didn´t quite remember how exactly it was arranged,so,he sprang it over on his drawing of Maya 1944. I took the liberty of trying to fill it with the cable on his behalf now.
I can safely say the degaussing cable was a "standard installation" to all IJN fighting ships,it was a must. If one ship would insist on going without having it, there ought to have been a very special,unfallible reason to avoid having the cable. None is able to point out the reason for a non-cable condition for cruiser Maya.
There was shortage of metals before the outbreak of the Pacific Ocean War,so,the cabinet ministers and their staffs lied to the Emperor when being asked by Him. The metals recovery law,as part of National general mobilizaton Law,was put into force,as early as in 1940.

cheers,
mucho


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ASI1-1 舷外側面原図初期 - Windows Billedfremviser[4]cc.jpg
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Post Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 1:20 pm
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Thanks Dan. :thumbs_up_1: I am collecting material on these vessels and that is of great help for me! :smallsmile:

Biggest difference seems to be the 8m rangefinder on TONE against the 6m rangefinder on the TAKAO. There seem to have been 2 variants on TONE, however.

Have a nice sunday :wave_1:
Post Posted: Sun May 03, 2020 11:28 am

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