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Thank you sir, I should have known.

Hi Kevin, they're from here

http://profilemorskie.home.pl/72_Paper%20plans.htm

Both are as Battle of the java sea 1942

If i may ask, where did you get those plans of Java and DR?

And what year do they portray, as built or......?

TIA.

Thanks very much, I'll shoot you an email now.

If you e-mail me at foeth at ontheslipway.com I'll send you this one slightly larger:



I found it in a book on Tromp I apparently own: De Tromp en haar Trompers.

Thanks very EJ I'll give them a shot.

I found two versions here

http://www.modelbouwers.nl/webwinkel/infonew.php?tek_ID=10.11.016&dbnr=10110160&foto=&webshop=nee

http://www.modelbouwers.nl/webwinkel/infonew.php?tek_ID=16.11.046&dbnr=16110460&foto=&webshop=nee

Algemeen plan. Spantenplan en lijnenplan. Zijaanzicht. Dekken.
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General arrangement, Frames and Lines. Side view. Decks.

I have no idea how good these drawings are but probably better than none at all...

Hi guys I'm chasing plans with full hull lines of the light cruiser Tromp I have both the Java and De Ruyter in 1/72 scale for future builds but would really like the Tromp also. Any idea of where to start? I've had no luck what so ever though have seen a few large scale models around.
Thanks

A very interesting point on the other patterns, the Sumatra pattern follows very different symmetry, thanks for posting.
I would guess the Sumatra scheme must be after mid 42, seems to follow loosely the second pattern applied to Tromp, any correction accepted.
You know, for the life of me I cannot find that forum again where I originally got the Java profile.

If you look at other Dutch ships of the same period, you see a few dark bands but not running over the stern. Note the step on the forward dark area present for all three ships. I added the Sumatra scheme from Anten's book showing a different colour scheme. I'd throw van Willigenburg out and not worry about it further.

Thanks Maxim, yes the shot appears heavily censored, also the removal of the trailing funnel searchlight platform.
The puzzle continues.

In Anten's is no profile of Java's camouflage pattern included. There is a profile with a pattern, but which was apparently (according to the author) not used on Java (perhaps on Sumatra).

The photo you have linked is included in Anten's book - and it is very strange, because of the lack of the 15 cm guns etc.

My model is based on these two photos plus the one I have linked above. I have not built the last fit with the shields for the 4 cm guns and depth charge racks, because I wanted to depict also the two Fokker airplanes, which were not present during the Battle of the Java Sea.

Thanks for replying guys, judging by the number of hits on the profile there are a lot who are interested in this issue, but either don`t know or are reluctant to share info.
The Java camo question seems to be very fragmented and inconclusive indeed, interestingly the starboard scheme appears on the dust cover of Henk van Willigenburg`s book. Could the patterns hold some truth in that they are an early scheme which was modified later?

Java is one of those interesting subjects where it is impossible to identify if the photo has been reversed, without a known landmark, and much confussion surrounds her final appearance, although the shot taken from starboard stern quarter in Batavia harbour, I believe to be one of the last, and accurate.
On enlargement you can see that the bofors appear to have received shields which would be about the time De ruyter`s Bofors were fitted too.
Also of interest, the Depth charge racks.
The model shots you posted Maxim appear to have some acceptance as the last pattern worn, but I would be very interested where this interpretation came from, especially with the conjecture surrounding any bands applied to the funnels.

Here is a shot of what is alledged to be a portside shot of Java, found on the Dutchfleet site, I have also posted this shot first on the Kookaburra`s Flikr Photostream, of which I am a dedicated supporter.
It appears to be heavily censored with no armament visible and if it can be believed true, it is unique and the only portside shot I have ever seen of Java in camo, reported to be taken from HMAS Hobart on 14/02/1942 in the vicinity of Lampoengbaai, I have no idea where the poster got this photo.
With the inconclusive evidence available, it would seem that no one is in a position to challenge any scheme applied to a model of Java, at present.
Can anyone post a profile ,even a small one, reported to be last applied, from Antens book?

I don't know much about Java, but agree the scheme doesn't match the photographs. I did compare the scheme from the same book with what's known of De Ruyter and the book didn't make sense at all.

Java certainly had also a different pattern:
http://www.go2war2.nl/picture.asp?pictureid=5677
http://www.go2war2.nl/artikel/1924/Lichte-kruisers-van-de-Java-klasse.htm?page=5



http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3006:leichter-kreuzer-java-1700-niko-models-von-lars-scharff&catid=112

I am not sure, if she ever had the pattern you had attached.

Hoping someone may be able to answer the question of camouflage worn by Java in early 42.
I have attached a small profile which I believe may have come from Willigenburg`s book, the starboard pattern is quite previlent on the net but dosen`t match photo`s , specifically the stern quarter.
I cannot ascertain the port pattern as I have not seen any port photo`s, and I do not have the Anten book to reference.
Has someone got it wrong and all the sheep have tagged along? or did Java have an earlier pattern which was modified before her loss?
Thanks for any clarity forwarded on this issue.

Both ships produced in 1/700 by Niko Models (and also HP Models).

Niko Models should be easily available, e.g. here:

https://www.whiteensignmodels.com/p/Niko+1700+Netherlands+Light+Cruiser+Java+1942+/9302/

WEM should soon also have the De Ruyter kit.

All

I'd love to purchase a RNN De Ruyter or a Java model - however they seem as scarce as hens teeth

Any idea who manafactures them in 1/700 scale?

Your Java looks excellent Maxim!




Bob Pink.