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Topic review - Calling All RNN DeRuyter and Java Class fans
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For Maxim :wave_1:


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:47 pm
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maxim wrote:
Looks good!

But why you painted the camouflage pattern to the lower hull?


Because it's easier to paint over than to repaint ;) I know I over-killed below the waterline, but I didn't want to under-do it and have to come back to it.
Post Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:33 am
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Looks good!

But why you painted the camouflage pattern to the lower hull?
Post Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:46 am
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Have made a bit of progress on the model this week, came down with a cold and the boss told me not to come into work.... :thumbs_up_1:

I've pretty much finished the primary bits of the superstructure, and finished off the hull. Done a rough paint of her colours in 1942 (I believe - according to Profile Morski and a photo I have found), and am fairly happy with how it's all coming along.

Next will be the detailing.


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:31 am
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The build is coming along well. It is my first time scratch building large parts of the ship, so I am learning as I go.

Most of the hull and superstructure has been modified or built, although still a few things to go.


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:01 pm
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I've finally started my 1/600 De Ruyter build.

It's not really a scratch build, as I'm using a mixture of pieces from existing kits (for example a modified 1/600 Graf Spee hull, modified guns from 1/700 Prinz Eugen, some superstructure pieces from both kits, and other spare pieces I have etc), as well as specially created pieces (for example the deck, and most of the superstructure). I'll be using PE for some of the smaller guns, and modified guns for others.

Completed the first stage of the deck last night. I should be able to coerce the Graf Spee hull to fit the shape of the deck with some persistence - although it remains to be seen how successful it will be.

For detail of model, I'm relying on several builds and plans I have found, including these:


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:08 pm
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Perth_shipyard wrote:


Thank you sir, I should have known. :-(
Post Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:44 pm
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Hi Kevin, they're from here

http://profilemorskie.home.pl/72_Paper%20plans.htm

Both are as Battle of the java sea 1942
Post Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:48 am
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Perth_shipyard wrote:
I have both the Java and De Ruyter in 1/72 scale


If i may ask, where did you get those plans of Java and DR?

And what year do they portray, as built or......?

TIA.
Post Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:44 am
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Thanks very much, I'll shoot you an email now.
Post Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:10 pm
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If you e-mail me at foeth at ontheslipway.com I'll send you this one slightly larger:

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I found it in a book on Tromp I apparently own: De Tromp en haar Trompers.
Post Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:07 pm
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Thanks very EJ I'll give them a shot.
Post Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:35 am
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I found two versions here

http://www.modelbouwers.nl/webwinkel/infonew.php?tek_ID=10.11.016&dbnr=10110160&foto=&webshop=nee

http://www.modelbouwers.nl/webwinkel/infonew.php?tek_ID=16.11.046&dbnr=16110460&foto=&webshop=nee

Algemeen plan. Spantenplan en lijnenplan. Zijaanzicht. Dekken.
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General arrangement, Frames and Lines. Side view. Decks.

I have no idea how good these drawings are but probably better than none at all...
Post Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:47 am
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Hi guys I'm chasing plans with full hull lines of the light cruiser Tromp I have both the Java and De Ruyter in 1/72 scale for future builds but would really like the Tromp also. Any idea of where to start? I've had no luck what so ever though have seen a few large scale models around.
Thanks
Post Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:53 am
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Post Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:07 am
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A very interesting point on the other patterns, the Sumatra pattern follows very different symmetry, thanks for posting.
I would guess the Sumatra scheme must be after mid 42, seems to follow loosely the second pattern applied to Tromp, any correction accepted.
You know, for the life of me I cannot find that forum again where I originally got the Java profile.
Post Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:00 am
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If you look at other Dutch ships of the same period, you see a few dark bands but not running over the stern. Note the step on the forward dark area present for all three ships. I added the Sumatra scheme from Anten's book showing a different colour scheme. I'd throw van Willigenburg out and not worry about it further.


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Post Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:30 am
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Thanks Maxim, yes the shot appears heavily censored, also the removal of the trailing funnel searchlight platform.
The puzzle continues.
Post Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:22 am
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In Anten's is no profile of Java's camouflage pattern included. There is a profile with a pattern, but which was apparently (according to the author) not used on Java (perhaps on Sumatra).

The photo you have linked is included in Anten's book - and it is very strange, because of the lack of the 15 cm guns etc.

My model is based on these two photos plus the one I have linked above. I have not built the last fit with the shields for the 4 cm guns and depth charge racks, because I wanted to depict also the two Fokker airplanes, which were not present during the Battle of the Java Sea.
Post Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:01 am
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Thanks for replying guys, judging by the number of hits on the profile there are a lot who are interested in this issue, but either don`t know or are reluctant to share info.
The Java camo question seems to be very fragmented and inconclusive indeed, interestingly the starboard scheme appears on the dust cover of Henk van Willigenburg`s book. Could the patterns hold some truth in that they are an early scheme which was modified later?

Java is one of those interesting subjects where it is impossible to identify if the photo has been reversed, without a known landmark, and much confussion surrounds her final appearance, although the shot taken from starboard stern quarter in Batavia harbour, I believe to be one of the last, and accurate.
On enlargement you can see that the bofors appear to have received shields which would be about the time De ruyter`s Bofors were fitted too.
Also of interest, the Depth charge racks.
The model shots you posted Maxim appear to have some acceptance as the last pattern worn, but I would be very interested where this interpretation came from, especially with the conjecture surrounding any bands applied to the funnels.

Here is a shot of what is alledged to be a portside shot of Java, found on the Dutchfleet site, I have also posted this shot first on the Kookaburra`s Flikr Photostream, of which I am a dedicated supporter.
It appears to be heavily censored with no armament visible and if it can be believed true, it is unique and the only portside shot I have ever seen of Java in camo, reported to be taken from HMAS Hobart on 14/02/1942 in the vicinity of Lampoengbaai, I have no idea where the poster got this photo.
With the inconclusive evidence available, it would seem that no one is in a position to challenge any scheme applied to a model of Java, at present.
Can anyone post a profile ,even a small one, reported to be last applied, from Antens book?


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