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Topic review - Calling all CAG-1 USS Boston Fans!
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Hi All,
Wondering who still has the instruction of yankee 1/350 boston and willing to share a copy. Thanks!
Post Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 12:31 pm
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I just received the Orange Hobby 1/350 USS Boston CAG-1. I'm no expert but it looks the part with good crisp resin parts and waterline/ full hull option. My problem, looking forward, is complete lack of rigging plan anywhere. Have looked at Navsource until I'm cross-eyed, Googled, checked Floating Drydock- can't find anything or pictures clear enough to just give a clue. Anybody can help? Would be appreciated.
Walt
Post Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:54 pm
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So I see Orange Hobby will be releasing a 1/350 BOSTON. I assume this will be scaled-up from their 1/700 version. Has anybody here built the OH 1:700 BOSTON? Any comments on accuracy or quality? I’ve found their 1/350 PHM and KNOX to be very nice and am hoping BOSTON will follow suit.

Thanks ahead,

Keith
Post Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:15 pm
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Randy could you please tell me where you got the props and anchors for your cag 1 build. Thanks
Post Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 11:07 am
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This year's meet is October 7-9 in Rocky Mount, North Carolina City Lake. We typically arrive Thursday and run ships Friday through Sunday. This run is restricted to 1/96 or 1/100 scale models.
Post Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:11 pm
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Nice!
Post Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:34 pm
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DrPR wrote:
Don't know if you have discovered this yet, but the Terrier launching systems (and Talos and Tarter) were patented. There are dozens of patents for parts and large assemblies with hundreds of drawings. The missiles were also patented. These patents are declassified and available online through the US Patent Office or Google Patents.

Patents were typically for the earliest versions of each type of system or missile. The Talos missile patent has over a hundred drawings and I don't know how many hundreds of drawings for the launching system (but not the launcher!!). And there are hundreds of pages of text explaining how everything worked - all you ever wanted to know and a whole lot more!

And, if that isn't enough, all of the technical manuals for the missiles, launching systems and radars are declassified and in the US National Archives. They contain even more drawings. An estimated 11,000 pages for the Talos system!

Phil

Thanks for the info; I will check it out. Give a look at the video of the last meet of the 1/100-1/96 group attached link I think you will find it very interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmnY5K- ... e=youtu.be
Post Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:22 am
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Don't know if you have discovered this yet, but the Terrier launching systems (and Talos and Tarter) were patented. There are dozens of patents for parts and large assemblies with hundreds of drawings. The missiles were also patented. These patents are declassified and available online through the US Patent Office or Google Patents.

Patents were typically for the earliest versions of each type of system or missile. The Talos missile patent has over a hundred drawings and I don't know how many hundreds of drawings for the launching system (but not the launcher!!). And there are hundreds of pages of text explaining how everything worked - all you ever wanted to know and a whole lot more!

And, if that isn't enough, all of the technical manuals for the missiles, launching systems and radars are declassified and in the US National Archives. They contain even more drawings. An estimated 11,000 pages for the Talos system!

Phil
Post Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:29 pm
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Thanks, DR. I remember saluting the flag aft when boarding a ship but my model will be in an At Sea as in link photo below. Thus I'll go with highest one. BTW I plan on bringing my CAG-2 to the Warships underway 1/96 meet in October. Should be fun.

http://www.navsource.org/archives/04/070/04010224.jpg
Post Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:10 am
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Different size flags were flown for different occasions. I think a 120" x 72" flag (10 ft x 6 ft) was the common every day size - at least on the CLGs.

If you are modeling the ship in port the flag should be flying from the flag staff on the fantail - and the Union Jack from the jack staff on the bow. Ships also flew pennants from halyards rigged at high points on the mast to indicate if the Captain was aboard, and the Admiral or Chief of Staff for flagships.

At sea the flag was flown on a halyard from a point high on the ship's mast. This varied for different ship types. Ships sometimes also flew signal flags with the ship's call sign when entering or leaving port or in formation with other ships.

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On special occasions or holidays really huge flags might be flown. The size was limited by the length of the flag staff.

Phil
Post Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:55 pm
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Although I'm not ready to run one up yet, what size and where should I put Old Glory?
Post Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:18 pm
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I think most of the movie was filmed on the USS Saint Paul, with some shots of the forward half of the USS Boston. I haven't seen it for a while but there might be some good shots of the doors. The Caine Mutiny would be another movie to watch for doors.

Phil
Post Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:42 pm
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DrPR wrote:
Do you know how many doors and what types were used on CA-2?

The forward superstructure will probably be the same as the WWII configuration, but all bets are off as to what was used on the aft superstructure missile house conversion.

Just looking at a few photos of the forward superstructure I saw:

1 quick acting water tight (QAWT) door with the wheel mechanism 26"x66"?
1 eight dog waffle pattern door 26"x66"?
2 eight dog double vertical rib door 26"x66"?

On the aft superstructure I can see several waffle pattern doors, some appear to be the standard 26"x66" opening but at least one is significantly wider. I can't count the dogs in the photos I have. Looks like there may be some shorter than 66" high.

Do you know if the missile house was built of armor plating? If so, the doors will be an entirely different type from the rest of the ship.

****

When the ships were converted to missile ships the yards just used whatever was laying around for the ordinary 26"x66" doors, especially doors that were removed from the original ship.

Here are the different types of variations I have seen:

Door type: air tight, water tight and armored. Air tight and water tight look pretty much alike.

Number of dogs: 3, 4, 6, 8 and 10.

Dog action: individual, quick acting wheel with dogs on the door, quick acting lever with dogs on the door, quick acting lever with dogs on the door frame.

Surface type: smooth, waffle and dual vertical rib. There are innumerable different waffle patterns!

View port: none, small and large.

I almost forgot to mention the type of watershed over the door (none, curved, pointed) and whether it has a dog wrench beside the door frame.

****

For my USS Oklahoma City CLG-5 model I discovered 25 different types of water tight and air tight doors on the superstructure - and I think I have just discovered yet another type of air tight door!

The type of door depends upon the position fore/aft and low/high.

The doors on the fore part of the forward superstructure on the main deck were ten dog reinforced water tight doors - to take pounding by green water in heavy seas. Aft on the main deck they were eight dog water tight, mostly individual dogs but with a few quick acting (one wheel type and two different lever types).

On the O1 level the doors were eight dog water tight. The O2 and O3 levels were eight and six dog water tight forward and water or air tight midships. O4 and O5 were mostly eight dog air tight, but it looks like there were some triple hinge three dog air tight doors at the upper levels.

It can be very difficult to figure out the type of door from photos! I have been puzzling over this for ten years.

If you can figure out what you need I have some digitized blueprints for the doors used on Cleveland class cruisers during WWII. However, there must be more than fifty different types of water tight and air tight doors in these blueprints!

Another source of drawings is the DVD of blueprints for the Fletcher class destroyers that was available from the Destroyer History Foundation (looks like they don't offer it any more). It also contained many drawings of stanchions, hand rails, ladders, etc. common to all Navy ships during WWII.

Phil


Dang, now I know why the photos I've seen are so confusing. Thanks for the info. BTW I think the movie In Harm's Way was filmed aboard either CA-1 or CA-2 and has some close ups to doors. I will likely limit the number of door types. Thanks Phil
Post Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:37 am
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Do you know how many doors and what types were used on CA-2?

The forward superstructure will probably be the same as the WWII configuration, but all bets are off as to what was used on the aft superstructure missile house conversion.

Just looking at a few photos of the forward superstructure I saw:

1 quick acting water tight (QAWT) door with the wheel mechanism 26"x66"?
1 eight dog waffle pattern door 26"x66"?
2 eight dog double vertical rib door 26"x66"?

On the aft superstructure I can see several waffle pattern doors, some appear to be the standard 26"x66" opening but at least one is significantly wider. I can't count the dogs in the photos I have. Looks like there may be some shorter than 66" high.

Do you know if the missile house was built of armor plating? If so, the doors will be an entirely different type from the rest of the ship.

****

When the ships were converted to missile ships the yards just used whatever was laying around for the ordinary 26"x66" doors, especially doors that were removed from the original ship.

Here are the different types of variations I have seen:

Door type: air tight, water tight and armored. Air tight and water tight look pretty much alike.

Number of dogs: 3, 4, 6, 8 and 10.

Dog action: individual, quick acting wheel with dogs on the door, quick acting lever with dogs on the door, quick acting lever with dogs on the door frame.

Surface type: smooth, waffle and dual vertical rib. There are innumerable different waffle patterns!

View port: none, small and large.

I almost forgot to mention the type of watershed over the door (none, curved, pointed) and whether it has a dog wrench beside the door frame.

****

For my USS Oklahoma City CLG-5 model I discovered 25 different types of water tight and air tight doors on the superstructure - and I think I have just discovered yet another type of air tight door!

The type of door depends upon the position fore/aft and low/high.

The doors on the fore part of the forward superstructure on the main deck were ten dog reinforced water tight doors - to take pounding by green water in heavy seas. Aft on the main deck they were eight dog water tight, mostly individual dogs but with a few quick acting (one wheel type and two different lever types).

On the O1 level the doors were eight dog water tight. The O2 and O3 levels were eight and six dog water tight forward and water or air tight midships. O4 and O5 were mostly eight dog air tight, but it looks like there were some triple hinge three dog air tight doors at the upper levels.

It can be very difficult to figure out the type of door from photos! I have been puzzling over this for ten years.

If you can figure out what you need I have some digitized blueprints for the doors used on Cleveland class cruisers during WWII. However, there must be more than fifty different types of water tight and air tight doors in these blueprints!

Another source of drawings is the DVD of blueprints for the Fletcher class destroyers that was available from the Destroyer History Foundation (looks like they don't offer it any more). It also contained many drawings of stanchions, hand rails, ladders, etc. common to all Navy ships during WWII.

Phil
Post Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:49 pm
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I need a source for photos and/or drawings of the WT doors as used on the Baltimore class CAs.
Whereas some will be open, I need both views inside and outside. With my model of the Canberra - CA2 in 1:96, the more detail the better.

When I get the info I;ll mold a buck and make them from fiberglass resin. If you're building a 1:96 model and need WT doors let me know and I will send u a buck to pour your own, nc.
thanks
Post Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:14 pm
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I have the Yankee Model works kit. I was looking for the PE instructions. I think I can follow the build that Randy did. However, I am still looking for a wooden replacement deck. and few other items.
thanks
Post Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 9:17 pm
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What specifics are you looking for?
Post Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 12:06 pm
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does anyone have a copy of the instructions to Yankee Model of the Boston. I have reached out to Brandon they don't have any copies.
Thank you in advance
Post Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:50 pm
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Thanks for the info guys; great list Russ.
Post Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:30 am
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Cag.
The director right under the 'U' is a MK-56 GFCS director, The Boston and most of the other Baltimore type cruisers carried 6 of these during the 1950's and 60's.
Scale Shipyard makes these in 1:96 scale as well as the main MK-34 and the MK-37 directors thatthese ships carried. The SPG-49 directors should be coming out about the end of the year.
It is interesting that these ships started out with the missile directors being based on a late mod MK-37 director.
Post Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:17 pm

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