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Topic review - Calling all USS Brooklyn/Helena class (CL) fans
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all USS Brooklyn/Helena class (CL) fans  Reply with quote
Hi, maccrage
How did your 1942 Nashville with the Shapeways Brooklyn superstructure (16OCT2021) turn out?
Who can I contact regarding the Brooklyn superstructure?
R/David
Post Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:42 am
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Thanks so very much Dick... exactly what I was looking for.

Best,

Mike E.
Post Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:00 pm
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In mid 1944, they were similar, but not totally identical. Aside from the inevitable minute differences, the most significant and visible differences were in the searchlight config (and other between-the-stacks features), main masts (very different) and Honolulu had caps on both stacks where Nashville had no caps.

By the end of 1945, Honolulu was closer to Savannah than any of her other sisters. Honolulu was rebuilt after being torpedoed off the Philippines in late 1944.
Post Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:02 pm
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All:

A quick question: were USS Nashville and USS Honolulu identical sisters by 1944? I'd like to use the Niko USS Nashville kit to build USS Honolulu in 1944 or so, and it looks like there would be few if any changes needed to do so.

Am I correct, or were there subtle differences between the two ships in 1944?

Please advise.

Thanks!

Mike E.
Post Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:46 am
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So, the article is technically correct, but, as you note, FC radar is not search radar.

I find this mention a little misleading.

Thank you, Dick.
Post Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:57 pm
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Dan K wrote:
Ok, I have another Boise question. The February, 2022 issue of Naval History Magazine has a great article on the Battle of Balikpapan. Boise was tasked as flagship for the force that attacked the Japanese transports there until she ran aground on a reef in the run-up to battle.

In mentioning Boise, the article states that she was the only radar-equipped ship in that region. Is that true? If so, then what type radar? I was under the impression that all the CXAM and CXAM-1 units were otherwise accounted for.

This photo https://www.navsource.org/archives/04/047/0404704.jpg from November 1941 shows one of the "tall" FC (MK-3) sets on Boise's forward MK-34 director. No air search set is visible in the photo. So she was radar equipped, just not with either air or surface search sets.
Post Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:26 pm
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DavidP wrote:
Dan, which "Battle of Balikpapan" are you talking about, 1942 or 1945?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of ... apan_(1942)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of ... apan_(1945)

1942
Post Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:08 pm
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Ok, I have another Boise question. The February, 2022 issue of Naval History Magazine has a great article on the Battle of Balikpapan. Boise was tasked as flagship for the force that attacked the Japanese transports there until she ran aground on a reef in the run-up to battle.

In mentioning Boise, the article states that she was the only radar-equipped ship in that region. Is that true? If so, then what type radar? I was under the impression that all the CXAM and CXAM-1 units were otherwise accounted for.
Post Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:40 am
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The photo of "Honolulu" steaming ahead is interesting as it caught the moment of launch of her SOC Seaplane and you can see the smoke puff for the powder charge of the catapult.

Tom
Post Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:34 am
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The Clevelands and more modern ships had the degaussing cables internal just inside the hull plating and up near the main deck.

Phil
Post Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:35 am
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Guba wrote:
The second photo also raises a question. What is laying on the deck near the edge? Is it a degaussing cable? I have never seen anything like it.


That is exactly what it is. This is considered the "permanent" placement of the deguassing gear by the Navy. Any ship showing the degaussing gear along the outside of the hull was considered "temporary" gear until the "permanent" gear could be installed along the deck edge like this.
Post Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:03 pm
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The second photo also raises a question. What is laying on the deck near the edge? Is it a degaussing cable? I have never seen anything like it.
Post Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:37 pm
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Jeff's second photo has a great view of one of the interim 3" guns installed pending availability of the quad 1.1's.
Post Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:15 pm
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Makes perfect sense to me. Thx, Jeff!
Post Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:06 am
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Hi Dan,
Peter Stackpole was indeed aboard USS Boise in Aug. '41. Boise was the 2nd ship of CRUDIV 9 at the time. There are a couple of other photos in this series that shows that other cruiser in question. In all the photos, this other cruiser is sailing ahead of Boise. That indicates to me that the cruiser in question is USS Honolulu.
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Post Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:53 pm
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Your knowledge of details is priceless, Dick. Thx.
Post Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:41 pm
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The Brooklyn class can be divided into two groups, three if you include the two St Louis class ships. The first 4 were built with the open topped MK-33 AA directors, while the second group of 3 had the fully enclosed type. Both cruisers in the Life series had the fully enclosed type. That limits them to being Phoenix, Boise, or Honolulu. Beyond that, it is difficult to distinguish among them in pre-war (pre-modification) photos. You will need deck logs to see who was there at the time.

BTW, by the end of the war, 3 of the ships with open topped directors had them replaced by the fully enclosed types. The fourth (Savannah) was upgraded to MK-37 directors, as was the Honolulu.
Post Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:40 pm
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I didn't see this elsewhere in the thread so...................

In the late summer of 1941 (August?), a LIFE photographer took a series of photos aboard what I think is a Brooklyn class ship, with another sister in the background. I believe one of these is Boise. Both appear to be in Measure 1.

Can anybody actually ID the ships, and which ship is which?


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:47 pm
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Dick J wrote:
They do match the photos of the ships as-built.
https://www.navsource.org/archives/04/041/0404137.jpg
https://www.navsource.org/archives/04/048/0404803.jpg
https://www.navsource.org/archives/04/040/0404010.jpg
So you should be good to go. How hard will it be to remove the other directors from the printed superstructure?
Excellent.
Shouldn't be too hard with a pe razor saw blade.
Post Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:00 pm
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They do match the photos of the ships as-built.
https://www.navsource.org/archives/04/041/0404137.jpg
https://www.navsource.org/archives/04/048/0404803.jpg
https://www.navsource.org/archives/04/040/0404010.jpg
So you should be good to go. How hard will it be to remove the other directors from the printed superstructure?
Post Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2021 12:39 pm

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