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[quote="MartinJQuinn"]unless Tracy White has stumbled upon evidence of that at the National Archives, I'd go with the blues.[/quote]

So far I haven't really found anything with regards to how fast the Pacific switched colors. It's something I've mulled over for my next trip, but there's a couple areas I could look and one is about 30 boxes long..... Thousand bucks a trip, give or take.... each box can take an hour even if you don't find anything to scan or photograph, that's a project to cut up over a couple of visits.

BuShips camouflage for 1945 isn't that large, but the file code for camouflage is a subset of paint, which has its own code as it was considered a preservative coating. The basic paint code, which could cover stocks, etc., is what is 30 boxes long.

[quote="rocketmannw"]Is this publication (Warship Pictorial No. 1 - USS Indianapolis CA-35) helpful in building the Indy or does the Number 11 cover the same material ? I have the Number 11 on the Portland & Indianapolis but have not seen the other Vol 1. Book collectors seem to want ridiculous prices from that I have seen.

Thanks,

Bob 1/350 Academy kit on the workbench[/quote]

The Indy pictorial #1 has line drawings also so IMHO it can be more useful. I you watch on eBay or other sites you ca find some for reasonable prices. But don’t expect them to be real cheap.

Is this publication (Warship Pictorial No. 1 - USS Indianapolis CA-35) helpful in building the Indy or does the Number 11 cover the same material ? I have the Number 11 on the Portland & Indianapolis but have not seen the other Vol 1. Book collectors seem to want ridiculous prices from that I have seen.

Thanks,

Bob 1/350 Academy kit on the workbench

[quote="rocketmannw"]Hello all....

Please bear with me for a moment with my question.....has it been determined what color of deck the Indy had at the time of her sinking by IJN I-58 ? I have not found any sort of a definitive answer if there is one. I am creating a display of "Atomic Technology Development" showing the vehicles involved , Gadget, the devices, Enola Gay, Bock's Car, USS Indianapolis CA35 among others. Thanks in advance....

Bob[/quote]
You can't go wrong painting her in Navy Blue and Haze Grey, with Deck Blue decks, turrets tops, etc. She "may" have been painted in the newer neutral greys, but unless Tracy White has stumbled upon evidence of that at the National Archives, I'd go with the blues.

Yippee and FINALLY !!!! I have received my 1/350 Academy 1945 USS Indianapolis kit after a long wait...now on to construction....

Bob :woo_hoo:

Hello all....

Please bear with me for a moment with my question.....has it been determined what color of deck the Indy had at the time of her sinking by IJN I-58 ? I have not found any sort of a definitive answer if there is one. I am creating a display of "Atomic Technology Development" showing the vehicles involved , Gadget, the devices, Enola Gay, Bock's Car, USS Indianapolis CA35 among others. Thanks in advance....

Bob

Probably her best configuration! :thumbs_up_1: Nice model! :cool_2:





Bob Pink. :wave_1:

Actually I produce and sell 3d printed models only in 1250 scale.
This is first test print of PORTLAND.
If you interested just send me email: joerg{a}Schroeder-niehage.de
Jörg
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Is there a source for this and/or others in this or other scales?

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This is CA35 Indianapolis in prewar configuration. It is a done by 3d-printing in 1/1250 scale.

One of the ironies of the Nov 13th battle was that the two flagships were the only two cruisers in the US formation that lacked the SG radar. Portland had accompanied Enterprise back to Pearl after Eastern Solomons. That was when the SG was installed on the foremast and the FD sets (the starboard one of which was noted in the linked action report as not working properly since installation) on the MK-33 directors. Perhaps the lack of reference to her SG contacts was related to the lack of experience with it on the part of the crew. The SG set is still visible in the Cockatoo drydock photo. As a post script, the air search set she carried then was in the SC series rather than SA. Some action reports list it as an SC-1.

Well no denying that, can't find mention of when it was installed. I did notice that Terzibaschitsch has her having one there in his Cruiser book, Profile Morskie also has one there but I generally question their accuracy. I have a slightly higher resolution copy of the distance shot of the Portland and included a crop. You see something there, what it is is not definite but evidence would lead us to believe it would be an SG. I felt it would interfere with the SA in that location, but that is where the Indy got hers installed in December of 42 and looking at Fletcher's installation we see a similar set up. I think the Cockatoo picture shows the platform but the radar was probably removed as it is not clear to me there. Good catch! Never noticed that info and I am slowly working on my 1/350 Sweet Pea, was about to call the mast done but now have to go back and add an SG. You always hear about Helena and Fletcher's SG use during the Bar Room Brawl, but never heard about Portland.


Profile Morskie
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Indianapolis 12/42 from CW Pictorial
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Crop of Tulagi
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Another part of the report

[quote]At about 0127, while on course 280, speed 18, the first
radar contact with the enemy was reported by the U.S.S.
HELENA, range 31-900 yards, bearing, 310°. At about 0142
the PORTLAND made her first radar contact on SG radar,
showing about three echoes from 305 T. to 320 T. range
11,000 to 14,000 yards. The FC radar on main battery
director two then picked up the contact about 30 degrees
on the port bow, and tracking was commenced by the plotting
room.[/quote]

Very interesting, I’ve never know the Sweet Pea to have an SG at that time. I am curious as to the notation In the action report. It is well documented that Helena had it and was providing a lot of info. Could it be perhaps that was a report from Helena referencing the SG? I don’t think that is a an SG on the foremast as it does not look like it provides enough clearance. Let me check my references a little more. I seem to remember there being a section in Portland’s damage report that mentions radars and their performance or how they were affected. Don’t remember mention of an SG. Let me dig around...

Matt

Will anyone please confirm if USS PORTLAND had SG radar in November 1942?

I am not sure if that's the SG radar at the foremast just below the SC radar.

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According to USS PORTLAND's War Diary:
[url]http://taskforce67.tripod.com/ca33.htm[/url]
[quote]November 13, 1942
0141 As we changed course, our 'SG' radar showed
4 ships in a SW to NE line. Third ship in line
appeared to be a battleship.[/quote]
At least, this quote does prove that there was an SG radar on USS PORTLAND.

In 42, Ma 11 and Ms 21 were really the same. 5-S was discontinued because it proved less than satisfactory. It was replaced with 5-N, which was later redesignated Ms 21.

Ms11 is a possibility for early 42’, but by August and November she was for sure in Ms21. I will check my references for when she could have gone from ms11 to 21. She was also likely painted in Ms1 until her February refit.

HTH

Matt

[quote="aercastro82"]Can anyone please provide me information about the color scheme for
USS PORTLAND in May 1942 (Measure 11?),
USS PORTLAND in August 1942 (Measure 21?), and
USS PORTLAND in November 1942.

I appreciate for the response.[/quote]

Portland in Nov 42 is the real mystery. She definitively wore Ms 32/10d, but only pictures of her starboard side and from directly ahead are known to exist. What more would you like to know about her camouflage?

Don Andrews
The Andrews Shipyard

http://www.shipcamouflage.com/usn_ca.htm

Can anyone please provide me information about the color scheme for
USS PORTLAND in May 1942 (Measure 11?),
USS PORTLAND in August 1942 (Measure 21?), and
USS PORTLAND in November 1942.

I appreciate for the response.