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Topic review - Calling all RN County class fans
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Today, 80 years ago, HMS Kent was torpedoed by an Italian SM.79 bomber.

Here my interpretation of her fit before she was torpedoed:

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HMS Kent (1/700)

I used the Aoshima kit, barrels by NNT and Master, PE parts by Tom's Modelworks, and AA guns by FineMolds and 3DModel Parts.
Post Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:31 am
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Are there photos to confirm the camouflage of HMS Berwick in November 1940 (Battle of Cape Spartivento)?

Drawings can be found here:
https://www.world-war.co.uk/Kent/berwick.php
Warship Perspectives, Camouflage Vol 1 RN 1939-41 by Raven
British & Commonwealth Warship Camouflage Volume 3 by Wright

I found only some very distant, blurry views in the IWM photo archive.
Post Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 8:15 am
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Mike E. wrote:
You should also refer to these sites/blogs for up-to-date research on the camouflage scheme of HMS Kent (our understanding of the colors involved have been changing in recent years thanks to dogged research by several individuals including Jamie Duff who runs the Sovereign Hobbies site):

https://www.sovereignhobbies.co.uk/page ... ur-schemes

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/ind ... /#comments

Good luck!

Mike E.


Thanks Mike. It should be noted that much of the credit is due to this forum's "dick" for the HMS Kent profile we drew, as well as the paints research itself along with "cag", "elcejay" and Michael who's username here has momentarily escaped me!

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On Eric Leon's drawings on that site generally, he's clearly a very capable gentleman in the drawings department and he says right there on the drawings that the colour information has come from others, which is a pity as he's been poorly informed.

China Stations was white and 507B, not white and buff as shown - that was an American scheme.

Generally, they unfortunately fall foul of the old 507A=/=507B chestnut, and/or feature 507B long after enamel use was ordered stopped.

The 1944-45 one is a bit of a train crash mostly because certain individuals were of the understanding that G45 was a different colour to 507C, and the particular horror is B30 shown as a dark olive rather than a 30% light reflectance value Blue-grey as its name implies and indeed it's pigmentation mandates.

This isn't Eric Leon's fault as he's used this information in good faith, but one does need to be wary about following those illustrations for model painting purposes none the less.
Post Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:42 pm
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You should also refer to these sites/blogs for up-to-date research on the camouflage scheme of HMS Kent (our understanding of the colors involved have been changing in recent years thanks to dogged research by several individuals including Jamie Duff who runs the Sovereign Hobbies site):

https://www.sovereignhobbies.co.uk/page ... ur-schemes

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/ind ... /#comments

Good luck!

Mike E.
Post Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:19 pm
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Matt, I use that site too.
Post Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:19 pm
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I like this site-

Cornwall

Kent

Hope this helps,

Matt
Post Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:48 pm
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i'm looking for a website that shows the camo of county class cruisers of WW2 cornwall and kent
Post Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:17 pm
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DavidP wrote:
nothing showing up on the 20mm guns in this link https://world-war.co.uk/Kent/kent_class.php3


Funny, "20mm" on that page shows 18 hits, whilst "20 mm" doesn't. Be careful about the space between 20 and mm!
Post Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:35 pm
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nothing showing up on the 20mm guns in this link https://world-war.co.uk/Kent/kent_class.php3
Post Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:39 pm
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Greetings to all County-class cruiser fans,

I'm getting ready to start building HMS Cornwall in 1/700. While searching for available resources, I came across this page at NAVAL-HISTORY.NET: https://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chron ... rnwall.htm which contains information that during repairs in the Simonstown port (February 1941) Cornwall´s anti-aircraft armament was strengthened by adding several 20mm guns. Does anyone have any more information about this? If this information is true, she had this additional armament both during the fight with the German corsair Pinguin and during her sinking in 1942. However, I haven´t noticed any 20mm guns on the few available photos from that period in question.

I believe that, thanks to kits now available from Trumpeter and Aoshima, I am not the only one who would be interested in this information.

Thank you in advance for any feedback.
Post Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:12 pm
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Hello Mike, thanks a lot for both links, they are very helpful, especially the film! There apparently were differences between bridges of Kent and Australia, e.g. the latter had it all planked level with Kent´s compass platform. Many thanks!
Post Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:46 am
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Vlad:

For panoramic bridge details, see the 16:00-16:21 minute mark in this film:

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item ... 1060009592

You might also want to visit this build log for additional useful info:

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/ind ... iser-1941/

HTH

Mike E.
Post Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:08 am
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Hi mates,

another question for you: can you please post some photos showing details of the compass bridge arrangement and floor planking of the Kent class, similar to this famous photo featuring Captain E.F.V. Dechaineux DSC on the bridge of HMAS Australia on September 4th, 1944?

Also any other details like usual dimensions of the corticene planks etc. would be apreciated.

Thanks!


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19440904 HMAS Australia bridge Captain E. F.V. Dechaineux DSC and oerlikons AWM.JPG
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Post Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:27 am
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Good question. I think there are perhaps even three 4in ready ammo lockers - the third one is the object on which the 5 shells are seen. It is oriented perpendicularly to the other two, parallel to the ship´s axis with doors on the forward facing side.
Post Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:07 am
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It looks like there are two 4in. ready use lockers. One behind and to the right and one to the left of the gun mount. Would one shell be taken from each by the loaders or would one locker be emptied and then they would start on the next?

As both lockers are open I would guess the former, but does anyone know if that is correct?
Post Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:33 am
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Thanks to both of you, I think you are right!
Post Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:35 pm
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My guess, I go along with EJ Foeth: five 4" shells taken from the locker, and prepared having their timer fuses set?
Post Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:26 pm
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You mean 4in shells in case of Australia... Would they be removed from the ready locker and placed there for faster reloading? Was this usual practice in RN or RAN?
Edit: Sorry EJFoeth, I read your message and replied on the phone and thought you meant 5" shells - but you referred to the number not the size. You were right, I was wrong :thumbs_up_1:
Post Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:41 pm
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Looks like 5 shells?
Post Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:28 pm
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Hello guys,

would anyone have an idea about the object to the right from the 4in ready ammo locker on HMAS Australia, marked by red arrow on the famous photo below of Australia hit by the Betty off Leyte? There are apparently open doors of the ammo lockers and behind them to the right there are some shelfs? or pipes? on the facing side of a large "box". I tried to locate something similar on other class members but to no avail so far.

Thanks!


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