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Topic review - Calling all USS Northampton class (CA) fans
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all USS Northampton class (CA) fans  Reply with quote
Hi Matt, great photos, thanks! I just think that the bottom photo actually shows the lower 5in gun deck (wood planked) while the upper 5in gun decks were steel on the Norhamptons and Portlands, so the anti-skid stripes would have been used on the steel (= upper ones), just like it can be seen in the steel AA gun tub to the right. FWIW.

Could you please direct me where you found these photos (apparently from the Life magazine)? I tried finding them on the usual FB WW2 Radio page but maybe overlooked them. Thanks!

Vladi
Post Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:44 am
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I would say that anti slip was in use in late 41, just no definitive proof of what and where. Here are a couple of shots of that time frame on the Portland showing Antislip measures in place. Her upper gun deck was wood planked and there seems to be no sign of any anti slip measures, however different class so....
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Matt
Post Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:22 am
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Just received stunning 3D printed 1/700 Northampton-class triple mounts from Micro Master - check my WIP thread if interested.
Post Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:59 pm
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This is a pic of Churchill and Roosevelt sitting on the deck of USS Augusta at the Atlantic Conference on 8/9/41. Augusta just transitioned in MS-12 camo but it appears that her wood decks were not painted yet per Adm. King’s directive.
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Post Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:17 pm
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More likely they're delivering mail...would be my guess.

I can find no pix of CA-30 with non-skid decking in pre-war photos.
Post Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:35 am
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Non-skid pads: not sure about end of 1941, but they definitely appear on Chicago in August 1942.
Cheers, Vladi
Post Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:27 am
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Those Cruiser essay pictures are very nice. I had a few questions, sorry if they've been asked already.

Would the anti skid have been there during the end of 1941?
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This destroyer that seems to be resupplying from Northampton, looks to be a Porter class, is that correct? (I think one of the photos is reversed? Or were they resupplying off both sides?)
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Post Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:12 pm
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Hello Phil,

thanks for your feedback! Yes, that´s exactly what I´m looking for. As my focus is the Battle of Savo Island I am especially aiming at USS Chicago in August 1942, but there are not many good close-up photos of her in that period so any timeframe would help. Accommodation ladders were deployed from the well deck on the Northamptons so I´d expect them somewhere in that area. I cross-checked my photos of her class and I think I found one of the Northampton showing the ladder stowed under the back of the bridge behing the sweeping party here:
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The situation on the Chicago was different because of her extended forecastle with flag facilities but I consider it likely accommodation ladders would be stowed in an analogical place on her shorter well deck, although I don´t have any direct evidence for that. I hope you´d agree.

BTW you mentioned hanging accommodation ladders on lifelines - that was clearly a common practice e.g. in RAN as seen on some photos and depicted on my build of HMAS Canberra.
Post Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 1:07 am
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Vladi,

I assume you were asking if accommodation ladders were "stored" on deck when underway?

I can't speak for the Northampton, but is was common on other US cruisers to store the large parts in fixtures on the sides of the superstructure, hanging beneath overhead decks, on weather decks, or even placed along the edge of the main deck with the lifelines. The smaller parts such as stanchions, life rails, hand rails, chains, tackle and such were stowed in gear lockers.

The stowage arrangements changed from time to time with overhauls and perhaps at the whim of the ship's Captain or crew. You need to know the ship type, the period you are interested in and have photos of the particular ship to refer to.

Phil
Post Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:56 pm
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Thanks a lot! I´ll have to scratchbuild something along these lines so that the station is not completely empty. There won´t be much of it visible in 1/700, and I can even put a canvas cover over it ;)
Post Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:59 pm
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Friedman's "Naval Firepower" describes the main battery directors for the NORTHAMPTON class in some detail. Mark 24 Mod.0 was the shielded director atop the foremast ("incorporating a Mk VII spotting glass"). The Mark 24 Mod.1 director was the unshielded director located in the protected position aft of the funnel. Later on the aft director was relocated to the mainmast (below the Director Mount Mark 1 - the enclosed Mark 19 director system for 5" guns).

Here is a picture of the director from the same book (interestingly, the caption notes "Mk 24 Mod 3", so good chance this is a later model/wartime version)...

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Post Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:04 pm
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Thanks for your reply! Would you please point me out to a photo or a schematic showing how it looked like? Any specific type for reference?
Post Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:42 am
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Hello,

That is the spotting glass (telescope) for Secondary Conn & Aft Spotting Station, below the Sky Aft position. It was badly sited and not v. useful, and did not require much personnel to man.

A LT(jg) or ENS might have command of that position.

HTH
Post Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:13 am
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Hello guys,

two questions for you:
  • What kind of equipment was located on this platform under the midships director on USS Chicago (red arrow on photo below)?
  • Were accommodation ladders stowed on deck of USN cruisers when underway (as seen frequently on RN or IJN ships)? If so, where would they be?
Thanks!


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Post Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:31 am
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Yes, it´s quite common in these photos. Good that we know where the 5in fuse-setters should be :) Also aircraft markings are helpful on some of the other photos.
Post Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:05 am
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One word of caution on the Life photos. Many of them are backwards, like the third photo above (with the cap on the fore funnel visible).
Post Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:14 am
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Guba wrote:
Vladi wrote:
Hi Matt, thanks for pointing me to the Northampton photos! I don´t know why I keep forgetting to check the Life series...


Life series? Is there a link? What resource am I overlooking? I see pics posted every once in a while with Life credits, what do I need to search for?

Here is a link to all the pics.
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/06 ... 6323a.html

Cruiser Essay source:life
Post Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:45 pm
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Vladi,

When I was in the Navy (early 1970s) the non-skid strips were about 18" long (45.7 cm) by 6" wide 15.2 cm), with rounded corners, and adhesive backed - that is just an approximate size. They were flexible and had a sand coated surface. I think they came in rolls, attached to waxed paper strips to make it easy to get them off the paper. I don't know if they were produced this way during WWII, but they appear to have been the same size. Once something gets a Federal Stock Number (FSN) it never really disappears from the supply system.

We stuck them anywhere we needed good traction on decks, inclined ladder steps and wherever there was wear on the paint. For example, they might be placed on bulkheads where ladder rungs were positioned so the toes of our shoes wouldn't scuff the paint. That way we didn't have to repaint as often.

I don't know if there was any "correct" way to orient them. Most likely it was at the whim of the Division Chief Petty Officer. I have seen them arranged in concentric circles around 20mm and 40 mm gun mounts.

Another way to get a non-slip surface was to coat the deck with a mixture of sand and paint. The adhesive patches were simpler and faster with no clean up afterward.

Phil
Post Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:10 pm
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Vladi wrote:
Hi Matt, thanks for pointing me to the Northampton photos! I don´t know why I keep forgetting to check the Life series...


Life series? Is there a link? What resource am I overlooking? I see pics posted every once in a while with Life credits, what do I need to search for?
Post Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:48 pm
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Hi Matt, thanks for pointing me to the Northampton photos! I don´t know why I keep forgetting to check the Life series...
Post Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:49 am

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