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Topic review - Calling all HMS York class (HMS Exeter-WWII) fans
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tjstoneman wrote:
The quadruple 0.5" mountings remained in place abreast the bridge after her repairs in 1940 - see, for example, http://steelnavy.com/images/OkretySwiat ... Exeter.JPG, where the four drum magazines of the starboard mounting can be seen reflecting light just above S1 twin 4" mounting.


thanks!
Post Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:28 pm
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The quadruple 0.5" mountings remained in place abreast the bridge after her repairs in 1940 - see, for example, http://steelnavy.com/images/OkretySwiat ... Exeter.JPG, where the four drum magazines of the starboard mounting can be seen reflecting light just above S1 twin 4" mounting.
Post Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:17 am
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tjstoneman wrote:
According to a post on this thread (admittedly 11 years ago - 5 January 2010!), the 20mm were never fitted in the tubs on "B" and Y" turrets, with mountings for single machine guns instead. Not sure if any weapons were ever fitted in the tubs abreast the mainmast.
The single 2 pounder pompoms had been replaced by quadruple Vickers 0.5" machine guns some years before the war. The four single 4" HA guns had been replaced by 8 4" guns in four twin mountings, and two octuple 2 pounder pompom mountings added, during her 1940 repairs.



Did she retain her quad vickers 50's after her refit?

thanks
Mike
Post Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:59 pm
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Cag wrote:
Hi All,
Hi KevinD, just checked on Navweaps and the Mk1 and 1* have a reload angle of 10°, but the Mk2 and 2* which I think was on Exeter is given as 6°.
Hope that helps
Best wishes
Cag.
Thanks for doing the work for me Sean. :thumbs_up_1:

I don't know why I didn't go look there in the first place. :doh_1:
Post Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:31 am
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Hi All,

Hi KevinD, just checked on Navweaps and the Mk1 and 1* have a reload angle of 10°, but the Mk2 and 2* which I think was on Exeter is given as 6°.

Hope that helps
Best wishes
Cag.
Post Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:52 am
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Hi All

Hi KevinD, off the top of my head you're answer would be in the 8 inch handbook where the complete loading sequence is given, including times for reload and shell / cordite re supply, as far as my jotted down references I think its Adm 234/190 National Archives Kew.

They are fairly large books so it would be a visit I'm afraid.

Have Navweaps not got info on loading angle?

Best wishes
Cag.
Post Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:45 am
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Brett Morrow wrote:
Whether 8" or 6" calibre I would expect the loading angle to be much the same, perhaps this film may give some idea to your enquiry Kevin.https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C189083
Thanks for that link Brett. Very interesting / helpful. :thumbs_up_1:
Post Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:16 am
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Whether 8" or 6" calibre I would expect the loading angle to be much the same, perhaps this film may give some idea to your enquiry Kevin.
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C189083
Post Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:34 pm
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Guest/Kevin D,

At risk of whaffliing, I can only say that one probably needs a copy of the mounting drill book, wherever one might be. However, I suspect that based upon knowledge of the twin 4" in use at the time and accepting the fact that the 8" mounting was intended to fire against air targets but was probably not power-loaded, it probably needed to be loaded at a convenient angle of approximately 5 degrees.

To achieve this quickly from a high elevation, it was likely that some form of "sector switch or foot pedal" was used. In other words, once the gun had fired at high elevation, someone pressed the sector switch/foot pedal, the individual gun depressed to 5 degrees for re-loading, Once this had been achieved, the sector switch or foot pedal was then released and the gun returned to its previous high elevation.

Someone might be able to advise differently though.

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Post Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:17 pm
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Pardon again gents, it t'was I that made the above post, not realising that I had unknowingly been logged out.
Post Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:26 am
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Pardon if this question has been asked before but...........can anyone say with any certainty what level / angle the main guns (8" - 203mm) on Exeter needed to be at to reload? Asked another way, what is the maximum elevation those guns could be reloaded at?

Any help much appreciated.
Post Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:13 am
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Brett Morrow wrote:
Kevin, I have posted a message to your inbox.
Thanks Brett, got it and answered (and have downloaded the photo you directed me to :wave_1: ).

Much appreciated!

Kevin
Post Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 5:10 am
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Kevin, I have posted a message to your inbox.
Post Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 4:13 am
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Tracy White wrote:
Query: the photo in KevinD's post above The Trumpeter kit has the superstructure completely open and so naturally I'm going to add bulkheads and a deck, but that will still leave a fairly plain interior next to some nice, large (in scale) openings and I'd like to busy it up a bit. ..................................Anyone have access to plans that show a rough layout of the mid-level forward superstructure deck that could confirm some of these details? Any portholes on the inner bulkhead that could be drilled?
Can't help with inner plans Tracy, but if you are going to go into such detail you will need a bathtub. :big_grin:

Photo below (white arrow) points to Captains bathtub front 'corner' port side superstructure on wreck, same level and 'just', and only just, forward of where .50 quad was. (Red arrows have no meaning in this photo now - well, 'B' points to .50 quad deck level - but were used in a composite image to help with a 3D model (of wreck) to correspond to an historical photo to show what / where the modeler was 'looking' so to speak.)


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Post Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 3:10 am
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Brett Morrow wrote:
The image shows the lower portion of a 18" signal projector, it was later replaced with a 10" projector, as shown fitted in your earlier posted July 39 image.

Hi Brett,

I don't think I have seen the full image of the crop you posted in the above post? Would you be kind enough to post the 'full image, or send it to me?

Thanks, Kevin
Post Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:54 am
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Query: the photo in KevinD's post above the doorway appears to go through the superstructure with an inclined ladder "in the way." It appears that there are cabins or spaces fore and aft, so I'm thinking this is an athwartship passageway but what had really piqued my interest is the arrangement of the inclined ladders.

The Trumpeter kit has the superstructure completely open and so naturally I'm going to add bulkheads and a deck, but that will still leave a fairly plain interior next to some nice, large (in scale) openings and I'd like to busy it up a bit. We know that there are inclined ladders from the upper level down and I suspect that there would be another set immediately below those, however I'm not sure if there would be port and starboard to match or if there was a different arrangement.

Anyone have access to plans that show a rough layout of the mid-level forward superstructure deck that could confirm some of these details? Any portholes on the inner bulkhead that could be drilled?
Post Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:24 pm
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KevinD, I think those are US Navy sailors which might explain their look/posture to the quad .50cal.
Post Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:52 pm
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The image shows the lower portion of a 18" signal projector, it was later replaced with a 10" projector, as shown fitted in your earlier posted July 39 image.


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Post Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:48 pm
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Gents, was just cropping down this photo (to gun size) to use in a wreck survey report (from when the wreck was there that is :mad_1: ) when I noticed what I assume is a signal light(?) at the very top, or is it for some other purpose? I had seen something there before in shots taken from further away, but was never sure what it was as they weren't sharp / clear enough, Anyway, thought I'd post it and see.

PS. Those 'swabbies' are looking at that gun like its gonna bite them. :smallsmile:


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Post Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:12 am
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Gents, some of you modelers may be interested in the below photo. Although I have had a somewhat blurry copy for a long time (also below). I only recently acquired a clearer image of the same photo. My apologies if it the clearer one has been posted elsewhere in the thread, as I don't have the patience to go back thorough the complete thread, not the memory to recall seeing it here. :scratch:


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