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Topic review - Calling all Kirov & Slava (Киров и Слава) class fans
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all Kirov & Slava (Киров и Слава) class fans  Reply with quote
Here is the Kashtan firing at night on my 1/100 Kirov.

https://youtube.com/shorts/PUW9fidwxzs?feature=shared
Post Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:55 pm
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DrPR wrote:
SA-N-6 on the fo'c'sle?

I have many photos of a crane alongside loading SS-N-12 Bazalt missiles.

Phil


The crane stowed on the left in this picture.


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Post Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:55 am
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some rich photo source

https://forums.airbase.ru/2006/09/t6020 ... tr-ve.html
Post Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:37 am
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SA-N-6 on the fo'c'sle?

I have many photos of a crane alongside loading SS-N-12 Bazalt missiles.

Phil
Post Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:44 pm
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I think I have seen it somewhere on this thread, but does anyone have images of the crane on the foredeck loading SA-N-6 missiles on the Kirov?
Post Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:19 pm
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Thanks!
Post Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:12 pm
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Oops! Looks like I sent one twice. Here is what should have been sent.

Phil


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:40 pm
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A few more. These may be more useful.

Phil


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:38 pm
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Here are some photos, but not much help.

I have collected a lot of pictures of the Skavas from the Internet. I think the ship has very nice lines and I find it interesting how the Russian/Soviet ships are designed for much colder operating conditions that our ships.

One thing that really interested me was the Bazalt (Sandbox) missile launcher tubes on the forward part of the ship. I wonder if there is any armor on those things? The cruiser I was on had 45 ramjet Talos missiles and solid propellant boosters on the main deck, but inside a missile house with 1.5 inch thick armor plating around them. Still, it wouldn't take a very large cannon round to punch through that and set off 180,000 pounds of class B explosives (boosters), 13,500 pounds of class A explosives and about 3,600 gallons of JP-4 fuel. I was stationed in the missile house during General Quarters and that thought crossed my mind every now and then.

The Slavas had a lot of explosives and fuel sitting out there just waiting for someone to take a shot at them. I suspect that is what sank the Moskva - a Ukranian missile hitting one of the Bazalts. There is a low resolution photo of the ship before it sank showing the side of the forward superstructure blackened right where the Bazalts were.


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:36 pm
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Does anyone have any pictures of the Slava helicopter hanger open with the helicopter entering or exiting? I’ve seen a few on here. I’m planning on modeling this on my 1/100 scale ship and making it functional. Thanks.
Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:27 am
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There are images about half way down this page showing how the double arm trackway gravity davits work:

https://www.okieboat.com/CAD%20miscellaneous.html

Phil
Post Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:23 am
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Timmy C wrote:
The upright portion of the davit slides down the tracks of the "diagonal" portion with the boat hanging on until they reach the edge, at which point the boat is overhanging the side of ship and then lowered into the water.

There's a diagram halfway down this page that shows it: https://www.hiseamarine.com/gravity-rol ... davit-4832


Thanks for help. This could be a challenge to make functional at 1/100 scale.
Post Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:06 pm
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The upright portion of the davit slides down the tracks of the "diagonal" portion with the boat hanging on until they reach the edge, at which point the boat is overhanging the side of ship and then lowered into the water.

There's a diagram halfway down this page that shows it: https://www.hiseamarine.com/gravity-rol ... davit-4832
Post Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 6:53 pm
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Does anyone on here have any additional photos on this lifeboat on the Kirov? Also, any idea on how it is raised and lowered? Thanks!


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Post Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 4:35 pm
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the 4th incomplete slava class, the large prominent crane situated just forward of the S-300 Fort battery appears to have been dispensed with because the funnel is no longer split to allow the crane arm to be stowed between them. also the prominent side globe and rum tub ECM antennae have been replaced by more much smaller more discreet ECM antennae similar to those carried on other mid to late 1980 soviet surface ships.

Are there any drawings showing what her intended configuration was?

also, are there any drawings of the intended configuration or the later units if the class after the ukraina? the soviet navy appear to have been moving away as a whole from Osa twin arm lunched point defence missile towards silo launched Kinzhal, and away from pill box like AK-630 CIWS with their characteristic bass tilt radar towards Kashtan combined gun missile with their integral radar. But it is not easy to visualize how such changes can be accommodated in the slavs design without major changes to superstructure layout.
Post Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:12 pm
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She does, I apparently posted a pic here in the Neustrashimiy topic back in the days. This is the Russian border guard version.
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=126135

I do have more and better pics in my archive.

I would assume "optional" is always the case as I do not believe they would make their hull plating so complex. I believe they are simply welded on, which makes them optional I guess.

As for the cruciforms, they're called vortex attenuators, they break the vortex that is normally formed behind the propellor hub. This makes them more quiet from a distance. The vortex contains a lot of bubbles and takes time to dissolve, those bubbles make noise. The attenuator breaks the vortex and bubbles.
Post Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:52 am
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Does Krivak 3 have the bumps above the propellers? The only photo of a Krivak 3 in dry dock I have shows she has neither the indentation nor the bumps.

Also, photos of Frunze and Kalinin in dry dock show they have the bump above their propellers, but the 4th, Pyotr Velickiy, does not. I wonder if the bumps are integral to the hull, or if in fact they are optional fittings.

Another seemingly unique Russian feature is the boss of propellers often terminate in a set of cruciform fins. This applies to both surface ship and submarine propellers. These fins run lengthwise along the propeller spinner and clearly rotates with the propellers. It seems to me their function is to stir up water turbulence directly behind the middle of the propeller wash. I am not sure of the reason.
Post Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:32 pm
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I also checked the Kresta en Kara class, who indeed don't have the indent either. The Kara class does have the bulbous shapes above the propellors, same shape as Krivak III's.

These features may also be design bureau related. Soviets had a lot of design bureaus, while construction was spread across the different yards. There doesn't appear to be any correlation between yard and features. I do not know who designed which vessel though. Easier to find for Soviet subs than for surface combattants.
Post Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:49 am
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Looking at a close-up of the Moskva class helo carrier, it appears she also has the exact same VDS as the Krivak I (considering the years of construction, that doesn't come as a surprise).

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An interesting note I found while researching other ships that may have the same VDS as the Slava, The Kara class apparently do not have conical indentation under its stern that is seen on Slava, Udaloy and Kirov classes, despite having VDS. So that indentation is not perfectly correlated with the need to deploy a sonar towed body while underway. So either the Russians haven’t discovered the merit of the indentation yet while they were designing the Kara, or the indentation actually serves a different purpose then smoothing water flow for the VDS

There following observation suggest to me the indentation indeed serves a different purpose than help water flow for VDS. . Unlike most ship’s boats, which has a V shaped bottom or a flat bottom, The small powered speed boat like boat carried on most larger Russian surface ships also has a similar indentation on the bottom near the stern.


Valid point. I also recently noticed the same "indentation" on the stern of merchant ships, notably a container ship and a RoRo vessel. Although I do not know what was their configuration below the waterline, it might actually have to do with the single rudder configuration, which also most Soviet ships seemed to have. It doesn't explain why Kirovs have it though... It also starts behind the rudder rather than having the rudder in the indentation.
Not sure when they actually introduced it. The shape of the indentation is also rather special, in some cases rather smooth and wide, in others, like Neustrashimiy, very sharp/deep, flanked by the twin rudders, while in case of Kirov the rudders are still some distance away from the indentation.

What it might have to do with is either course stability (instead of a skeg between the props) or to avoid slamming in rough seas, where wide flat aft ships tend to get punched pretty hard.

For now I can confirm:

Ships that don't have it:
-Grisha
-Nanuchka
-Kanin
-Krivak I to III
-Sovremenny
-Moskva
-Kapusta
-Nedelin

Ships that have it:
- Neustrashimy
- Udaloy
- Slava
- Kirov
Post Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:56 am
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An interesting note I found while researching other ships that may have the same VDS as the Slava, The Kara class apparently do not have conical indentation under its stern that is seen on Slava, Udaloy and Kirov classes, despite having VDS. So that indentation is not perfectly correlated with the need to deploy a sonar towed body while underway. So either the Russians haven’t discovered the merit of the indentation yet while they were designing the Kara, or the indentation actually serves a different purpose then smoothing water flow for the VDS

There following observation suggest to me the indentation indeed serves a different purpose than help water flow for VDS. . Unlike most ship’s boats, which has a V shaped bottom or a flat bottom, The small powered speed boat like boat carried on most larger Russian surface ships also has a similar indentation on the bottom near the stern.
Post Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:49 am

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