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Topic review - Calling all Royal Navy A-I class fans
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I'm looking to build a model of Hero. As far as I can tell, unique among the G/H Class, Hero and Hereward, had a truncated triangular prism shape front to the bridge, much like the Brazilian H-Class. I have the builder's plans of Glowworm in Robert's British Warships of the Second World War and the Lambert plans for Harvester in British Naval Weapons of World War Two. Is it safe to transpose the bridge structure from Harvester to Glowworm to create Hero?
Post Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:10 am
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Thanks guys. That information is not in the Les Brown Shipcraft book nor in March's British Destroyers. The wiki I use as a suggestion, the photo is proof. The Ithuriel entry in wikipedia has quins in the text and quads in the data panel.

Now, if I wanted to go back to the A or B class, say Bulldog at the U-110 sinking, what do I need to do? Just the weapon fit and maybe the bridge? So many choices, so little time.
Post Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:11 am
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-class_destroyer
Post Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:50 pm
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IBG is correct: Ithuriel had two sets of quadruple TTs


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:04 pm
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Nothing here for over a year, but now that IBG has broken the ice with two out of a projected six G-H-I destroyers, can we start this going again?

I've put a post of impressions of the first two in the Reviews forum. My question here is whether IBG is correct to give quadruple tubes with the Ithuriel? She was a turkish-contract I class. As an RN I she would have had quintuples, with or maybe without the centre tube, and maybe only the forward set fitted. Ithuriel definitely had two sets, no 3 inch, but all the photos I can find are side-on and don't show anything helpful.

Oh, if you are an A-I fan, you need several of these.
Post Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:49 am
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Just a small note that some very extensive drawings of HMS Garland can be found at the Dutch national archives under 'Torpedobootjagers' . Hr Ms Marnix was HMS Garland late in her career.
http://www.gahetna.nl/collectie/archief ... 2:1.c03:14.
Post Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:37 am
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This does not appear a popular topic these days, but here goes.

I am looking for photographs of HMS Imperial (penant number D09), from 1941 when she was in the Mediterranean. There are numerous sources of her in 507C Mediterranean Grey with red funnel bands from the pre-war years, but I'd really like to know what she looked like when sunk. A relative was on her at this time, hence the particular interest in the time period.

Thanks for reading.

Jamie
Post Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:03 pm
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Hello,

Building the paper 1/200 ORP Garland, I cannot figure out what the objects on deck in front of the B gun and
one deck lower on the side.
Anyone any idea ? Would be appreciated.

Koen.
Post Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:00 am
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A while back it was suggested here that at the time of the Dunkirk evacuations in May/June 1940 HMS Codrington wore a scheme such as that worn by HMS Hurricane in 1940, a three-tone dazzle-patterned affair. In fact she was in a much weathered dark/Home Fleet grey overall (which she had started the war with) and with a large solid white false bow wave in the Harwich style (but no false stern wave). Her foremast was white from just below the crows nest upwards. Her forward funnel was much lightened by salt encrustation especially lower down, and had the standard leader band at the top. On her aft funnel was the (single) flotilla band of the Dover Flotilla (B Class) of the time. This was also her scheme when sunk in July 1940.

(At the time of Dunkirk she had two scrambling nets amidships dangling to the waterline.)
Post Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:24 pm
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Oh dear. So the stock of reliable pictures of Firedrake gets less and less!
Post Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:08 am
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You are right, the onboard portside photo is not of a destroyer at all.

It is in fact the Shoreham class sloop HMS Weston in 1940. The photo is in the Imperial War Museum archive and is negative number A1949. Weston wore this striped scheme early in the war, but unfortunately the only pictures I have found of her at this time are on board shots with glimpses of the camouflage. The Shorehams had a small searchlight tower, and early in the war still had the mainmast and the quadruple 0.5" mount which you can just see ahead of the galley chimneys.

Don
Post Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:52 pm
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Dear Martin,

Is this the onboard view portside that you are referring to? If so it certainly is not a portside view - there was no pair of davits abreast the aft funnel portside. Another back to front photo? Is it even Firedrake? Is it even an F class destroyer (shape of funnel)? The look of the searchlight platform reminds me more of the A class....

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Here is a clearer view of the funnels in the Boston photo - definitely not symetrical.

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We need a clear portside view.

Best wishes.
Post Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:00 pm
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Dear Dick
Thanks for your careful viewing of these pictures. You're right, it does look like the 'port side' picture has been transposed, as it looks very similar to the two pictures of the 1942 scheme worn in the Atlantic, and which is the one in the picture from Boston NY, I think. However, there are some similarities to the part of the port side we can see in the bows-on view in dry dock in Gibraltar: notably the rather odd configuration of the boot-topping: the camouflage seems to run over this - and a similar thing is just discernible in one of the Atlantic starboard side views. The camouflage on the aft funnel doesn't seem to change between the schemes, and could be the same on both sides: there's an on board view portside that suggests this. Could the pattern have orginally been different port and starboard and then during the Boston refit the starboard side only repainted, so that it matched the port? Though I take your point from the Boston picture that it doesn't look like a symmetrical scheme.
Intriguing.

Martin
Post Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:01 pm
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I've now worked out why the little you can see of the camouflage scheme in the "portside" view with the bow out of the water looks identical to the same areas in the starboard side views of Firedrake in the later scheme - that website has got that photo back to front. It actually shows the starboard side.
Post Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:54 pm
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Good question Martin, and I hope that maybe someone will come up with clear photos of the port side in both schemes. However, if they do not, it seems to me looking at the photos on that Firedrake page that the portside photo with the bow out of the water shows the portside in a different scheme to what is visible of the portside in the bow photo in the dry dock. I think that the website has got it wrong with the three abreast and only the starboard side and bow photos show her in the same scheme.

What little you can see of the camouflage scheme in the portside view with the bow out of the water looks identical to the same areas on the starboard side in the later scheme. So I would guess that there is a good chance that the whole of the portside in the later scheme was a mirror image of the starboard side in that scheme.

Addendum: I've changed my mind re the later scheme perhaps being a mirror image both sides. I have found this picture which I think shows Firedrake at the end of her repairs at Boston ie in the later scheme. Looking at X gun shield and both funnels it does not look like the paint job was symetrical both sides.


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Post Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:12 am
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Dear all

I am keen on building one of my Tamiya E class as HMS Firedrake, inspired by reading the excellent Firedrake association website and particularly moved by the story of the handful of survivors of her sinking, who clung on to the stern section and fired a star-shell from her 3" gun and managed to attract attention from another escort.
Firedrake wore a camouflage pattern in the Med during 1941 and a different one after refitting in Boston. Unfortunately I can only find photos for her starboard side for either pattern. Does anyone have any information on her port side? Especially for the pattern used in the Med, which was definitely different each side (there's a bows on shot in drydock in Gib that shows this). These pictures can be viewed at http://www.hmsfiredrake.co.uk/firedrake25.htm.

Any help appreciated: maybe someone might recognise one of the schemes as also carried by another vessel?

Thanks

Martin
Post Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:29 pm
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Currently finishing the book of Electra gunnery officer LtCmdr T J Cain. He speaks on some occasions that the 3'' gun, the Oerlikons, the point fivers (Vickers 0.5) and THE Bofors firing at enemy planes. Was this ever confirmed that Electra had a Bofors aboard?
Post Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:11 pm
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Any suggestions on how to start a 1/350 HMS Ithuriel?
Post Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:14 am
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MODS: A to I Class thread?
Post Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:59 am
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New to forum,buliding a 1/350th HMS hero from ISW Hesperus kit.Deciding between 1940 Narvik(camo 507a or b?) or service in the Med.1940-42.Have pix from internet and from Raven book(vol.1) Any advice re Hero's equipment(2xTTs or 3'AA) at either Cape Spada or 2nd Sirte.Also funnel bands and hull numbers,some pix show them present and others do not. Thanks for any help.
Post Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 3:19 pm

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