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Topic review - Calling all Royal Navy Tribal class fans
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all Royal Navy Tribal class fans  Reply with quote
Thanks tjstoneman, I had seen the overall photos of Tartar and that is what prompted my question. Dick, that closeup is exactly what I needed. It appears that the stepped platform is surrounded by a canvas screen, not metal as I would have expected but I now have enough info to replicate this area. Thanks again to both of you.
Doug
Post Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:45 am
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DJF, this is the best photo I am aware of showing this mounting on Tartar.

http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205155981

It looks as if a circular, stepped Oerlikon platform has been mounted on the original 0.5" platform and then the Oerlikon itself mounted on top of that.
Post Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:13 am
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In 1944, TARTAR's single 20mm guns amidships were fitted in the same locations as the as-fitted quadruple 0.5" guns had been, ie one each side, on the platform between the funnels. Not sure if the positions were surrounded by canvas screens or by metal splinter shields - I suspect the latter. They are clearly visible on the photo at http://www.maritimequest.com/warship_di ... rtar_a.jpg. Some other late-war RN Tribal class ships had the same arrangment - see http://www.navyphotos.co.uk/Destroyers% ... dww21b.jpg, as did some of the surviving "A" to "I" class ships - eg http://www.navyphotos.co.uk/Destroyers% ... icrs2b.jpg
Post Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:54 am
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I am planning to build the WEM 1/350 Tribal kit as Tartar in 1944. I noticed in photos that she carried powered twin 20mm guns fore and aft and single 20mm guns amidships. The latter seem to be in tubs mounted above the elevated deck area between the stacks and I wonder if anyone has more details on this configuration. Why is this, I have not seen this on any other destroyers. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Doug
Post Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:34 am
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correct as X turret was replace in may following that battle.
May
Repair arranged at J I Thornycroft shipyard at Southampton
Taken in hand for repair
Pennant Number for visual signalling purposes changed to G03.
(Note: Refit work included: installation of Radar Type 286, which was an RAF air/surface equipment modified for naval use and the
first radar outfit to be fitted in RN destroyers. For details of the development and use of radar equipment
in the Royal Navy see RADAR AT SEA by D Howse.)
Twin 4.7in mounting in X position was replaced by twin 4in HA mounting and modifications were made to other
ship services.
http://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono ... ssack1.htm
Post Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 7:08 pm
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Might want to check. I do not think that the 4.7 mount was replaced as early as Narvik.
Post Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 6:47 pm
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These from Shapeways look even better than the WEM ones: https://www.shapeways.com/product/Y89CL ... arketplace
I will get them for my Eskimo
:wave_1:
Post Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 5:53 pm
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73north wrote:
I am planning in mid April to build the Trumpeter 1/350 scale HMS Eskimo as HMS Cossack for the 2nd Battle of Narvik
so I am going for Pennant F03 ( changed from L03 in 1938 ) and I plan to add the following aftermarket items
( this might help anyone else who wants to build this ship or 1 of her class ) and rectify the faults in the Model as it stands -

( 1 ) White Ensign Photo-etch WEM 1/350 Tribal Class Destroyer (Trumpeter) (PE 35169
( 2 ) WEM 1/350 HMS Eskimo Boat and Propeller Set (PRO 3534) - this replaces the kit boats that look German
( 3 ) Art-Wox Wooden Deck ( 4 ) BECC White Ensign Fabric Flag ( 5 ) Rainbow Depth Charges 1/350 in brass
( 6 ) https://northstarmodels.com/product/135 ... unt-4-pcs/ -
this is a real beauty to replace the wrong 8 gun pom-pom mounting that these ships never had
( 7 ) Master Model Brass Barrels for 4.7 inch guns ( 8 ) Big Blue Boy 1/350 #35008 WWII British Vickers 0.50 Quad AA Gun
- these 0.5 inch guns look really nice and far better than the kit examples


I think yo will also need to have the X-turret with 4.7in guns replaced by one with 4 inch guns?
Post Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 5:29 pm
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So, for the purpose of clarity, which ones exactly, are the actual correct scale?
Post Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 2:30 pm
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Anthony P wrote:
Miguel's list is correct, but I would add that there are a number of 3d printed relevant items appropriate for a 1/350 Tribal:
-corrected main turrets
-torpedo tubes
-rafts
-sets of boats which include the appropriate boats for a Tribal
-powered twin 20mm AA bases for the late war fit,

In my opinion, they offer better definition than aftermarket resin. The problem is that they are expensive for what they are...


Forgot that :doh_1:
I already have the replacement main turrets from Digital Sprue and are fantastic, can say that I helped a bit in the process , because the first batch was underscaled, the second batch was overscaled, now are very close to the real thing
https://www.shapeways.com/product/ZRKTK ... d=61183319

The boats and rafts for sure the printed are much better than the resin/stock, but yes, they are not cheap at all, for the torpedo launchers IMHO Trumpeter did a god job and I did not replace them.

Anyway ,I did enjoy the build and to finish it ,just need some washes and finish the rigging and the matt coat afterwards


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:07 pm
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Miguel's list is correct, but I would add that there are a number of 3d printed relevant items appropriate for a 1/350 Tribal:
-corrected main turrets
-torpedo tubes
-rafts
-sets of boats which include the appropriate boats for a Tribal
-powered twin 20mm AA bases for the late war fits

In my opinion, they offer better definition than aftermarket resin. The problem is that they are expensive for what they are...
Post Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:28 pm
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73north wrote:
I am planning in mid April to build the Trumpeter 1/350 scale HMS Eskimo as HMS Cossack for the 2nd Battle of Narvik

Just did it like you are planning, the only thing I missed was the North Star quad pom-poms ,they were'nt available then,I used the WEM quad pompoms, a bit crude ,but I replaced the barrels, they are ok now,also I do recommend the North Star quad Vickers 0.50, IMO they are better than the BBB units, my kit has BBB ,but North Star are easier to build and nicer.


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:32 am
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I am planning in mid April to build the Trumpeter 1/350 scale HMS Eskimo as HMS Cossack for the 2nd Battle of Narvik
so I am going for Pennant F03 ( changed from L03 in 1938 ) and I plan to add the following aftermarket items
( this might help anyone else who wants to build this ship or 1 of her class ) and rectify the faults in the Model as it stands -

( 1 ) White Ensign Photo-etch WEM 1/350 Tribal Class Destroyer (Trumpeter) (PE 35169
( 2 ) WEM 1/350 HMS Eskimo Boat and Propeller Set (PRO 3534) - this replaces the kit boats that look German
( 3 ) Art-Wox Wooden Deck ( 4 ) BECC White Ensign Fabric Flag ( 5 ) Rainbow Depth Charges 1/350 in brass
( 6 ) https://northstarmodels.com/product/135 ... unt-4-pcs/ -
this is a real beauty to replace the wrong 8 gun pom-pom mounting that these ships never had
( 7 ) Master Model Brass Barrels for 4.7 inch guns ( 8 ) Big Blue Boy 1/350 #35008 WWII British Vickers 0.50 Quad AA Gun
- these 0.5 inch guns look really nice and far better than the kit examples
Post Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:51 am
  Post subject:  Re: Early War II Tribal deck colours  Reply with quote
Anthony P wrote:
I am at the early stages of building HMS Nubian as she appeared during the Battle of Crete. The information given on page 5 of this thread has helped clarify some questions. I do have one more, however, and seek your views: until she had her stern blown off in the Battle of Crete, Nubian spent little time in shipyards and until her refit after her battle damage seems to have retained her "as built" configuration.
In such a case, what would be an educated guess regarding the colours of her decks? Corticene and steel or early war semtex and steel? Moreover, would the decks of the superstructure be coated with corticene/semtex or would they have remained painted steel?

Any comments appreciated!


I would go with the decks as per this illustration in Profile Warship on HMS Cossack - as those guys that made it , knew their stuff about Tribal Class ships ....

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:40 pm
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I am at the early stages of building HMS Nubian as she appeared during the Battle of Crete. The information given on page 5 of this thread has helped clarify some questions. I do have one more, however, and seek your views: until she had her stern blown off in the Battle of Crete, Nubian spent little time in shipyards and until her refit after her battle damage seems to have retained her "as built" configuration.
In such a case, what would be an educated guess regarding the colours of her decks? Corticene and steel or early war semtex and steel? Moreover, would the decks of the superstructure be coated with corticene/semtex or would they have remained painted steel?

Any comments appreciated!
Post Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:31 pm
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Thanks :)

Hmm. Back to the drawingboard then. One option might be to convert it into a different ship of course.
Post Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:24 am
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I've seen no photos or other evidence that ZULU ever wore a patterned camouflage scheme. A series of photos held by the Imperial War Museum (http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/search?query=hms+zulu - ref number A6376 is probably the best) captioned as taken in the Atlantic on 17 November 1941 show the configuration clearly, including the short vertical polemast for the HF/DF aerial (the aerial itself is somewhat blurred, but there are other photos of this sort of aerial online). Despite what naval-history.net says, the weapon in the port bridge wing appears to be a single 2 pounder gun, not a 20mm Oerlikon, and the depth charge throwers are not on the quarterdeck, but have been moved down from the after shelter deck to upper deck level abreast the searchlight. Also shown are the splinter shields at the deckedge abreast the main armament and 4" HA mountings, and the RDF (radar) Type 286 aerial at the foremasthead, again not provided in the kit. Most of the additions are available in the White Ensign photoetch set (except for the splinter shields and 2 pounders) as more accurate representations than the Trumpeter versions.
Post Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:56 pm
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Hi all!

Long time lurker looking for a bit of advice on the HMS Zulu.

I am currently working on the 1/350 Trumpeter kit, uprading it with the White Ensign PE set, North Star Models 4" gun, and 4.7 inch barrels by Master. Still undecided werther to use the WE boat and propeller replacement set or get some replacements elsewhere.


Anyway: I am not all that keen on the suggested sheme of blue-gray hull and light gray superstructure (looks too much like my US ships), so I am looking for a bit of advice on other possible paint schemes. I quite like Chris Floodberg's excellent HMCS Huron, so I want to try some kind of disruptive scheme instead.

I came across this image, supposedly showing her in a mediterranean scheme:
http://gb-navy-ww2.narod.ru/IMG-2D-DD-TRIBAL-ZULU.gif

Can anyone confirm that she actually did wear some kind of disruptive scheme while deployed in the mediterranean.

Also: The colors in that image is obviously way off. This reference chart seems to suggest that the mediterranean scheme is actually much more gray (507A, 507B, 507C, MS1, MS3)
http://www.banksofthesusquehanna.com/Co ... _camo.htm#

If I go for the mediterranean scheme the ship would need to be upgraded to the post June/july 1941 refit.

http://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono ... S_Zulu.htm

If the initial deployment post refit before going to the Mediterranean was NW Approaches duty, perhaps a different scheme altogether would be more appropriate? (I have a weakness for the Admiralty Disruptive scheme as seen on the HMS Renown, but I am unsure if this was also used on destroyers)

The June July refit also includes a re-arranging of the main mast:

"Refit work was also undertaken and including replacement of mainmast by a new structure to suit fit of aerial for wireless direction finding outfit. 20mm single Oerlikon mountings were fitted on bridge wings, Radar Type 285 for main armament gunnery fire control installed and depth charge throwers re-sited on quarter deck"

Would that still be the tripod mainmast as provided in the kit?

Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. :)
Post Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:24 am
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Happy new year all!
What type of directors did the later Haida have? Models I see look similar to a Mk II or IV but are inconclusive?
Northstar have a Mk IV and so does Shapeways I see.
Post Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:22 am
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Northstar has the 1/350sc Quad pom poms now.
hth john
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