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Topic review - Calling all Royal Navy Tribal class fans
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Northstar has the 1/350sc Quad pom poms now.
hth john
Post Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:16 am
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This is what a searchlight manipulator pedestal looks like, courtesy of the IWM collection.
A missing piece in the puzzle of bridge equip.

Camera angles can be deceptive, but the front on shot clearly shows the 2 curved arms(horns) of the equip.
Also clearly illustrates the training wheel and crank handle, and where the lookout attaches his binoculars to the left hand sight rail.
The right hand arm is fitted with a forward sight ring and sliding block.
I believe these shots are on Eskimo.
Cheers.


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Post Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 4:06 am
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Yes please, please send them. I've seen pics sveral of the manipulators and thought I added them to my post but apparently not! :smallsmile:
Post Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 3:24 am
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I did find your excellent site EJ, you have done a great job with research, your work is also excellent.
I didn`t notice an actual searchlight manipulator pedestal within all the shots, but I did manage to pick up 2 very clear shots of the equipment in question, from the IWM collection.
Would you like these for your records?

Regards, Brett M.
Post Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 6:40 pm
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FYI, I made a small post on bridge equipment, trying to untangle my confusion :smallsmile:

http://ontheslipway.com/?p=1647
Post Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 3:34 pm
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Finally, after more delving, I have identified these pedestals, Searchlight manipulators.
Not to be confused with a searchlight sight, manipulators were fitted with a training wheel.
The bridge plan of an Australian tribal indicates duel horn units, although I believe Arunta was fitted with single arm units, but I am open to correction.

The attachment shows what I believe are duel arm units (circled)

For those interested, also a partial view of a Mark II Rangefinder, without yagi antenna, impossible to find on any web searches.
The boxes forward of the rangefinder prism tube are stabilisers.
The wall of the rangefinder turret on Australian tribals was higher than shown, and consisted of a yagi array of 5 elements, the inside reflector was smaller than the outside ones and only had one element. this increased to a 6 element array later in the war.

This maybe a RN unit, the bridge layout on an Australian tribal was slightly different.
cheers.


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Post Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 8:42 am
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Can anyone identify this piece of equipment, and possibly direct me to a photo.
It is mounted, one on each side of the director, midway between the director tower and the rangefinder.
A training wheel is fitted on the lower stem of the pedestal.

I have been searching for this apparatus without any luck, TIA


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Post Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 9:08 am
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Here's the Resin Shipyard's instructions for RCN paints throughout its period: http://www.resinshipyard.com/pages/colours.html

You'll want the section that talks about the 1950s, as that's what Haida's supposed to represent today.

Note that you can't build Haida as she appears today using the Trumpeter kits without a lot of extra work due to the post-war refits.
Post Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:08 pm
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I hope some of the canadians on this board might help me. I am planning to build the 1/350 Huron-kit as either Haida or Athabascan. I would like to know when the RCN changed their Tribals camouflage to the blue hull/grey upperworks that Haida is carrying now?

Also, does anyone know the FS or RGB colour code for those two colours?


I hope you can help me and thank you for reading this.
Post Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:57 pm
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If interested in the RCN tribal changes needed for the existing kits I have done them from both the ISW and the Trumpeter kits(both scales )

Last year wrote an article for RT IPMS Canada . I can E Mail a copy of the article as a PDF file if you contact me directly with your E Mail address.

PDF files cannot be posted to this forum.

Ian Moore
imoore1@bellaliant.net
Post Posted: Sun May 17, 2015 2:15 pm
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dick wrote:
With the separate directors the kit will, as you say, be closer to Athabaskan(1) and also to Iroquois. Both completed with 6 single 20mm. Athabaskan kept them until Sept 1943 I think (at which point she received the lattice mast also).

So this thread has told me that my Trumpy 1/700th "Huron 1944" that I want to start is something of a sow's ear.
I'm inclined to go with dick's observation that the kit is closer to Athabaskan before her refit (and loss). Aside from using single 20mm AA (the kit has the tripod mast), what else needs doing/replacing for Athabaskan 1942? The ha/la mount, funnel height, anything else obvious?
I'd already assembled the hull and deck before reading this thread; so forget the sheer on the foc'sle :doh_1:
I'll get the colors sorted in due course.
TIA
Post Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:28 pm
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I think they were a separate item. A set of 3 replacement boats. But no PE for roof railing, or rudders, props, etc. like Admiralty Modelworks has. All that stuff can be sourced from other PE sets. :wave_1:
Post Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:31 am
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Just out of curiosity, did you get the WEM boatset as a separate item? it is very fortunate to have them.
It will be so good to have another company finally take over rights for WEM, they produced so many excellent items.
Post Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:15 pm
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I've got the WEM replacement boat set. They are much better than the kit boats, but I was hoping Admiralty made suitable boats as theirs are the best. Guess I'll just have to pimp up the WEM ones. :big_grin:
Post Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:52 pm
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The Admiralty Modelworks boats look to be very good detail and accuracy, but they are not the correct size boats for the tribals.
It would depend on what subject you intend to portray, and of course what era, war or post war.

I can tell you that the Australian tribals were a different boat fitting to the British, they were fitted with 2 x 25` fast motor boats, I have scoped out availability of these boats and no company makes them as a separate item, although someone may be able to correct me on this.

Nobody seems to produce a seperate Admiralty 25` motor cutter either, these are the two cutters you will need for the tribals, along with a 27`whaler and 16` dingy.

The WEM Tribal kit has the correct boat set, but only one of each cutter, their N class kit has this set also, I`d say other kits they produced would also have this boat set.
You may be able to procure these particular boats from someone, other than that it looks like you may have to do some scratch building/ mods to your existing boats, the AMW boats may be able to be modified, but quite a bit of work.
Cheers, BM
Post Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:47 pm
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As anyone who has built, or is building, Trumpeter's 1/350 Tribal Class knows, the ships' boats are inaccurate. I Googled all kind of stuff, but no one considers listing the types and size of the boats used. I wish to replace the boats. Are any of Admiralty Modelworks suitable? Or any other manufacturer which is better than Trumpeter? :wave_1:
Post Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:25 pm
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HNSA has uploaded GA drawings for a generic Canadian Tribal: http://www.hnsa.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... tribal.pdf

Should help those who want to fix the bow sheer.
Post Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:38 pm
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Thanks, that should help a lot.

thanks
Mike
Post Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:22 pm
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Zulu’s X twin 4” was fitted August 1940. Zulu did not receive radar until 1941.

Early war camouflage is tricky. I have no wartime photo of her prior to March 1940. The photo taken in March 1940 (and another in May 1940) shows her in overall 507B with pendant F18 in black, a white band on the forward funnel and masts white from the tripod junctions upwards. See the photo here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ww2images ... djr-5uhbqy
Post Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:58 am
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I just want to check a few things before building Trumpy's 1/700 HMS Zulu. Having already built Eskimo with the twin 4 inch and radars, I want to build the Zulu with the full complement of twin 4.7 inch guns, as she appeared early in the war.

Does anyone know when X turret was replaced with a twin 4 inch and when radar was added? Next, what camouflage would she have carried? Lastly is there anything else I need to be aware of in backdating the kit a little.

thanks
Mike
Post Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:00 am

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