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Topic review - Calling all Royal Navy Tribal class fans
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HNSA has uploaded GA drawings for a generic Canadian Tribal: http://www.hnsa.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... tribal.pdf

Should help those who want to fix the bow sheer.
Post Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:38 pm
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Thanks, that should help a lot.

thanks
Mike
Post Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:22 pm
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Zulu’s X twin 4” was fitted August 1940. Zulu did not receive radar until 1941.

Early war camouflage is tricky. I have no wartime photo of her prior to March 1940. The photo taken in March 1940 (and another in May 1940) shows her in overall 507B with pendant F18 in black, a white band on the forward funnel and masts white from the tripod junctions upwards. See the photo here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ww2images ... djr-5uhbqy
Post Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:58 am
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I just want to check a few things before building Trumpy's 1/700 HMS Zulu. Having already built Eskimo with the twin 4 inch and radars, I want to build the Zulu with the full complement of twin 4.7 inch guns, as she appeared early in the war.

Does anyone know when X turret was replaced with a twin 4 inch and when radar was added? Next, what camouflage would she have carried? Lastly is there anything else I need to be aware of in backdating the kit a little.

thanks
Mike
Post Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:00 am
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I skimmed the rest of the thread and couldn't find an answer so I'm posting this.

Does anyone know if camouflage used by HMCS Huron in the kit colour plate below was used by her and HMCS Haida during the June 9th, 1944 Battle of Ushant? I'm mulling building a diorama that includes these 2 sisters engaging the German destroyer Z32 as what happened in the later part of the battle.

I have two 1/700 Trumpeter Huron 1944 kits as well as Dragon's Z31 kit which I intend to convert into Z32.

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:27 pm
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Hey Dick, That is a very interesting shot you posted of Warra on WNSF, as you, I would like to have a better photo myself.
A new paint job and pennant change late 45 before refit, no doubt little known, well done.
Post Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 3:56 pm
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Here is said thread about the photos: http://members.boardhost.com/Warship/msg/1400434593.html

Said image of Warramunga: http://members.boardhost.com/Warship/msg/1400444765.html

Found another shot from that series: http://www.mustangone.com/putnam/Putn-323.jpg

Source of the photos is page 6 of the USS Putnam (DD-757) photo page: http://www.mustangone.com/putnam/photos6.htm
There are PLENTY of good shots of all things USN and Allied navies on there :thumbs_up_1:
Post Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 6:28 pm
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Wow! what a great shot, and the first broadside I have seen for this exact period, thanks Dick.
Post Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 4:07 pm
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Brett,

Have a look over on Steelnavy. Someone has just posted the photo you wanted to see - a clear broadside late war 1945 view confirming no vertical extension.

Best wishes.
Post Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 3:38 pm
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Nice work Dick, I agree.
In the hi res 1945 wharf shot, it could be my eyes, but it looks like there may be a second wire on the lead end of the insulator, 2 cables.
Post Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 3:33 pm
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Perth_shipyard wrote:
Theres four cables just like when she had the goal
Post fitted. Warramunga and Arunta in dry dock 1946. Warramunga is in her post war RN light grey colour with extra long black tip on the funnel.



Perth, If by the destroyer "with extra long black tip on the funnel" you mean the destroyer on the left, that is Arunta.
It is pretty clear from the photo alongside in Japan delivering Admiral Fraser that there was only one aerial insulator that particular moment. Looking closely at the 1947 AC Green photo of Brett's, two of the 4 aerials fitted then go into one insulator so, for whatever reason, I think probably max two aerials at the time of the Japan photo.

Brett, I think the aerial spreader at the end of the war was as I drew it. At that time I think it did not have that central vertical element rising above the horizontal top of the A that is there in your 1947 AC Green photo. If it was there then it should show in the photo alongside in Japan delivering Admiral Fraser. I think that was probably fitted very soon after the end of the war, perhaps during the 1946 refit shown in Perth Shipyard's photo.
Post Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 1:58 pm
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Nice detective work, Holmes....I mean, Brett!

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Post Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 2:08 pm
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Yep, checked my records, and scoped the A frame.
Did not think to check on photos after 45, I was concentrating on her immediate aerial arrangement after Nov 44 to the end of the Pacific war, while still carrying her tripod mast, not after refit with the new lattice structure.

Here is a cropped shot of Warra, wearing pennant I.44, an A.C. Green photo dated 1947.
Without a full shot of her from Nov 44 to refit it must be accepted that this was the aerial arrangement, cheers guys


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Post Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 6:22 am
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Theres four cables just like when she had the goal
Post fitted. Warramunga and Arunta in dry dock 1946. Warramunga is in her post war RN light grey colour with extra long black tip on the funnel.

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Post Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 4:31 am
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Also forgot to ask, the shot appears to have one cable attached, maybe there are more unseen, do you know how many cables? thxs
Post Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 2:35 am
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Thanks Dick, where did you get the info?
Post Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 2:32 am
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Warramunga's 1945 aerial spreader just forward of her quad pom pom, the top and part of the side of which is visible in the photo of her at Japan in 1945 above, was shaped like this:

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(Please excuse the crude drawing - it was like a capital A but with a horizontal top.)
Post Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 12:54 am
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I think you'd find the bar is separate from the Pom Pom itself. They're definitely connections for the cables and would make sense I think.
Post Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 5:03 am
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Thanks Perth, I have that photo in hi res, I had initially thought the bar to be part of the Pom Pom frame quite a while ago.
Perhaps that is a connection point? but it would possibly be in the way of the pom pom barrels when the gun was traversing?

Makes me wonder what the cables are on the port side with the spreader bars, makeshift clothes line, or makeshift aerial run?
There were 4 cable runs to the goal post originally, anyway the question is still open, cheers.
Post Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 2:03 am
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Goal post isn't here, but a small bar. You can see a connection for an aerial (cable) leading off this bar heading in the general direction of the main mast.

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It's dated 1945 in japan I think unless another photo comes out of a closet somewhere, this will be the clearest yet. Would love to see the contact sheet this picture came from though! :)

To answer the other question regarding australian flags, there's only one Australian National Flag.
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The important part here is that the national flag used since 1911 and current is the same and has a 7 point federation star. The big star under the Union Jack. And all stars of the southern cross are also 7 pointed stars apart from the smallest which is a 5 pointed star.

The Australian white ensign wasn't put into use until 1967 so you don't need to worry about it. Commissioned navy vessels of the RAN used the RN white ensign until this time from federation. The Australian red ensign is for use aboard merchant navy and private vessels registered in Australia. During ww2 both the British red ensign, Australian Red ensign and Australian Blue ensign where flown by the mercantile marine (this is far more complicated story than the white ensign)

The only other ensign is the light blue variant used by the air force known as the australian Air Force ensign. Any other flags are state or territory flags and the Aboriginal and Torres straight islander flags.
Post Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 11:10 pm

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