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Topic review - Calling all Royal Navy Tribal class fans
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Thanks :)

Hmm. Back to the drawingboard then. One option might be to convert it into a different ship of course.
Post Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:24 am
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I've seen no photos or other evidence that ZULU ever wore a patterned camouflage scheme. A series of photos held by the Imperial War Museum (http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/search?query=hms+zulu - ref number A6376 is probably the best) captioned as taken in the Atlantic on 17 November 1941 show the configuration clearly, including the short vertical polemast for the HF/DF aerial (the aerial itself is somewhat blurred, but there are other photos of this sort of aerial online). Despite what naval-history.net says, the weapon in the port bridge wing appears to be a single 2 pounder gun, not a 20mm Oerlikon, and the depth charge throwers are not on the quarterdeck, but have been moved down from the after shelter deck to upper deck level abreast the searchlight. Also shown are the splinter shields at the deckedge abreast the main armament and 4" HA mountings, and the RDF (radar) Type 286 aerial at the foremasthead, again not provided in the kit. Most of the additions are available in the White Ensign photoetch set (except for the splinter shields and 2 pounders) as more accurate representations than the Trumpeter versions.
Post Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:56 pm
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Hi all!

Long time lurker looking for a bit of advice on the HMS Zulu.

I am currently working on the 1/350 Trumpeter kit, uprading it with the White Ensign PE set, North Star Models 4" gun, and 4.7 inch barrels by Master. Still undecided werther to use the WE boat and propeller replacement set or get some replacements elsewhere.


Anyway: I am not all that keen on the suggested sheme of blue-gray hull and light gray superstructure (looks too much like my US ships), so I am looking for a bit of advice on other possible paint schemes. I quite like Chris Floodberg's excellent HMCS Huron, so I want to try some kind of disruptive scheme instead.

I came across this image, supposedly showing her in a mediterranean scheme:
http://gb-navy-ww2.narod.ru/IMG-2D-DD-TRIBAL-ZULU.gif

Can anyone confirm that she actually did wear some kind of disruptive scheme while deployed in the mediterranean.

Also: The colors in that image is obviously way off. This reference chart seems to suggest that the mediterranean scheme is actually much more gray (507A, 507B, 507C, MS1, MS3)
http://www.banksofthesusquehanna.com/Co ... _camo.htm#

If I go for the mediterranean scheme the ship would need to be upgraded to the post June/july 1941 refit.

http://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono ... S_Zulu.htm

If the initial deployment post refit before going to the Mediterranean was NW Approaches duty, perhaps a different scheme altogether would be more appropriate? (I have a weakness for the Admiralty Disruptive scheme as seen on the HMS Renown, but I am unsure if this was also used on destroyers)

The June July refit also includes a re-arranging of the main mast:

"Refit work was also undertaken and including replacement of mainmast by a new structure to suit fit of aerial for wireless direction finding outfit. 20mm single Oerlikon mountings were fitted on bridge wings, Radar Type 285 for main armament gunnery fire control installed and depth charge throwers re-sited on quarter deck"

Would that still be the tripod mainmast as provided in the kit?

Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. :)
Post Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:24 am
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Happy new year all!
What type of directors did the later Haida have? Models I see look similar to a Mk II or IV but are inconclusive?
Northstar have a Mk IV and so does Shapeways I see.
Post Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:22 am
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Northstar has the 1/350sc Quad pom poms now.
hth john
Post Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:16 am
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This is what a searchlight manipulator pedestal looks like, courtesy of the IWM collection.
A missing piece in the puzzle of bridge equip.

Camera angles can be deceptive, but the front on shot clearly shows the 2 curved arms(horns) of the equip.
Also clearly illustrates the training wheel and crank handle, and where the lookout attaches his binoculars to the left hand sight rail.
The right hand arm is fitted with a forward sight ring and sliding block.
I believe these shots are on Eskimo.
Cheers.


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Post Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 4:06 am
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Yes please, please send them. I've seen pics sveral of the manipulators and thought I added them to my post but apparently not! :smallsmile:
Post Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 3:24 am
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I did find your excellent site EJ, you have done a great job with research, your work is also excellent.
I didn`t notice an actual searchlight manipulator pedestal within all the shots, but I did manage to pick up 2 very clear shots of the equipment in question, from the IWM collection.
Would you like these for your records?

Regards, Brett M.
Post Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 6:40 pm
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FYI, I made a small post on bridge equipment, trying to untangle my confusion :smallsmile:

http://ontheslipway.com/?p=1647
Post Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 3:34 pm
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Finally, after more delving, I have identified these pedestals, Searchlight manipulators.
Not to be confused with a searchlight sight, manipulators were fitted with a training wheel.
The bridge plan of an Australian tribal indicates duel horn units, although I believe Arunta was fitted with single arm units, but I am open to correction.

The attachment shows what I believe are duel arm units (circled)

For those interested, also a partial view of a Mark II Rangefinder, without yagi antenna, impossible to find on any web searches.
The boxes forward of the rangefinder prism tube are stabilisers.
The wall of the rangefinder turret on Australian tribals was higher than shown, and consisted of a yagi array of 5 elements, the inside reflector was smaller than the outside ones and only had one element. this increased to a 6 element array later in the war.

This maybe a RN unit, the bridge layout on an Australian tribal was slightly different.
cheers.


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Post Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 8:42 am
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Can anyone identify this piece of equipment, and possibly direct me to a photo.
It is mounted, one on each side of the director, midway between the director tower and the rangefinder.
A training wheel is fitted on the lower stem of the pedestal.

I have been searching for this apparatus without any luck, TIA


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Post Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 9:08 am
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Here's the Resin Shipyard's instructions for RCN paints throughout its period: http://www.resinshipyard.com/pages/colours.html

You'll want the section that talks about the 1950s, as that's what Haida's supposed to represent today.

Note that you can't build Haida as she appears today using the Trumpeter kits without a lot of extra work due to the post-war refits.
Post Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:08 pm
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I hope some of the canadians on this board might help me. I am planning to build the 1/350 Huron-kit as either Haida or Athabascan. I would like to know when the RCN changed their Tribals camouflage to the blue hull/grey upperworks that Haida is carrying now?

Also, does anyone know the FS or RGB colour code for those two colours?


I hope you can help me and thank you for reading this.
Post Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:57 pm
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If interested in the RCN tribal changes needed for the existing kits I have done them from both the ISW and the Trumpeter kits(both scales )

Last year wrote an article for RT IPMS Canada . I can E Mail a copy of the article as a PDF file if you contact me directly with your E Mail address.

PDF files cannot be posted to this forum.

Ian Moore
imoore1@bellaliant.net
Post Posted: Sun May 17, 2015 2:15 pm
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dick wrote:
With the separate directors the kit will, as you say, be closer to Athabaskan(1) and also to Iroquois. Both completed with 6 single 20mm. Athabaskan kept them until Sept 1943 I think (at which point she received the lattice mast also).

So this thread has told me that my Trumpy 1/700th "Huron 1944" that I want to start is something of a sow's ear.
I'm inclined to go with dick's observation that the kit is closer to Athabaskan before her refit (and loss). Aside from using single 20mm AA (the kit has the tripod mast), what else needs doing/replacing for Athabaskan 1942? The ha/la mount, funnel height, anything else obvious?
I'd already assembled the hull and deck before reading this thread; so forget the sheer on the foc'sle :doh_1:
I'll get the colors sorted in due course.
TIA
Post Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:28 pm
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I think they were a separate item. A set of 3 replacement boats. But no PE for roof railing, or rudders, props, etc. like Admiralty Modelworks has. All that stuff can be sourced from other PE sets. :wave_1:
Post Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:31 am
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Just out of curiosity, did you get the WEM boatset as a separate item? it is very fortunate to have them.
It will be so good to have another company finally take over rights for WEM, they produced so many excellent items.
Post Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:15 pm
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I've got the WEM replacement boat set. They are much better than the kit boats, but I was hoping Admiralty made suitable boats as theirs are the best. Guess I'll just have to pimp up the WEM ones. :big_grin:
Post Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:52 pm
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The Admiralty Modelworks boats look to be very good detail and accuracy, but they are not the correct size boats for the tribals.
It would depend on what subject you intend to portray, and of course what era, war or post war.

I can tell you that the Australian tribals were a different boat fitting to the British, they were fitted with 2 x 25` fast motor boats, I have scoped out availability of these boats and no company makes them as a separate item, although someone may be able to correct me on this.

Nobody seems to produce a seperate Admiralty 25` motor cutter either, these are the two cutters you will need for the tribals, along with a 27`whaler and 16` dingy.

The WEM Tribal kit has the correct boat set, but only one of each cutter, their N class kit has this set also, I`d say other kits they produced would also have this boat set.
You may be able to procure these particular boats from someone, other than that it looks like you may have to do some scratch building/ mods to your existing boats, the AMW boats may be able to be modified, but quite a bit of work.
Cheers, BM
Post Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:47 pm
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As anyone who has built, or is building, Trumpeter's 1/350 Tribal Class knows, the ships' boats are inaccurate. I Googled all kind of stuff, but no one considers listing the types and size of the boats used. I wish to replace the boats. Are any of Admiralty Modelworks suitable? Or any other manufacturer which is better than Trumpeter? :wave_1:
Post Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:25 pm

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