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Topic review - Calling all Royal Navy Tribal class fans
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all Royal Navy Tribal class fans  Reply with quote
Awesome Brett thanks for the explanation! I figured there had to be 2 different DC thrower designs, since some had the arbours and some didnt.
Also, had no idea the DC were stored below decks. Thx again for the pics too.
Post Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:16 pm
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Ready use spare DC`s were normally carried on a wooden stock fitted on the quarterdeck close to the rail.

Dependent on the type of projector (thrower) fitted, the ready use spares were stored close to the thrower for quick reload.
The attachment shows a MK II DCT, because the MK II fired the DC and arbour attached, the ready use spares were stowed upright in a hollow pedestal, usually a bank of 3, attached to the arbour ready for reload, the arrow shows the spare arbours against the bulkhead, the circle shows the spare DC attached to cradle/arbour, and stowed into a pedestal.

The MK IV thrower was of different design and retained the cradle/arbour only firing the DC, and the reloads were stowed in a 2 tier rack.
This is how you at first glance can identify if the ship is fitted with MK II or MK IV throwers, by it`s DCT stowage arrangement.

Any remaining DC`s were stowed below deck in a magazine, in this case probably the HA warhead room.


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Post Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:13 pm
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Hi All:
Researching Tribals, I found the apparent load for depth charges was usually 30-40, question is, where were they stowed? The stern racks didnt hold that many, and the throwers didnt have stowage cages. Were they below decks? Thx
Post Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:45 pm
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Lots of good references. Cheers :) I think I will go for the option with black paint between the funnelcap and crows nest. Mainly because I think it looks more intersting :)
Post Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:45 am
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As usual, I'd say it depends.

Here, Cossack clearly shows a black portion below the crows nest.
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Yet this image of Eskimo shows black all the way down.
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While this image of Eskimo implies soot. (Sailors had no reason to feather the black into the grey, and I doubt any would have taken the time to feather it to this degree)
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This image of Zulu in 1938 clearly shows no black.
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I'd say paint it the way you want, there's evidence that will back up all the options. :smallsmile:
Post Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:18 am
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Sephius, from your searches you have probably already noticed that the black on the mast and legs on prewar RN Tribals had a definite demarcation, which depending on the subject, either finished level with the funnel cravat or a couple of feet below.

Later photos show a feathering of the lower paintwork with no clear demarcation, whether this was deliberate, or accumulation of soot hiding the line is speculative.
Cheers


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Post Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:00 pm
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Well yes and no: The picture clearly shows that the area between the funnel cap and the crow's nest is darker, but the lower part of the mast is obscured by the front funnel, so it doesn't quite solve the mystery :)
Post Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:55 pm
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Surprised you did not pick up this shot.


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Post Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:44 pm
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Currently working on the masts and rigging for my HMS Zulu and wanted some opinions on how to paint the masts.
I'm using this image as a reference:

http://zoom.iwm.org.uk/view/166899?cat= ... -205140498

This would suggest that at least the lower part of the mast below the crow's nest is painted black (or dark gray), but do anyone have any definitive references for this? I've seen some models where the black starts at the same level as the funnel caps (which seem consistent with other RN ships, like the Hood), and obviosuly Trumpeter's own unreliable paint charts simply states that the entire mast should be the same color as the ship's superstructure.
Post Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:01 am
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Awesome thx for the reply Brett! yes, I have since heard that RCN, or Haida anyways, had an open MkIII director. The Northstar MkIV would be close, with slight mod.
Post Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:22 pm
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Just to say that the Shapeways boats ( seen here ) are superb replacements for the Kit Boats ( and far better than White Ensign Models resin boats )
note - This Model was made by Steve Bowe - and uses the Master Models 4.7 inch Brass Guns and the North Star Quad 2 pounder pom-pom mounting
with the Big Blue Boys Quad 0.5 inch AA guns added
Post Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:08 pm
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To clarify, forgot to add in previous post.
The early 285 Yagi array, each reflector was fitted with 4 very thin stabilizer rods terminating in a collar fitted around the element rod.
Later arrays did not have these stabilizers, they are very hard to see, can just be distinguished on the previous Arunta attachment.
Post Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:15 pm
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True what you say Jamie, not absolutely sure on the Canadians, but RN and RAN were fitted with MK III, the Canadians look a little different in director enclosure shape so you may need a bit more reference. More than likely MK III.
The 285 array appeared later half of 41.

I can tell you that RAN Arunta and Warramunga were as built, fitted with early 285 which had 2 double element reflectors and a single element reflector in the centre, they were later fitted in 44 with 3 doubles.
Each antenna rod was fitted with 7 elements, also hard to identify is the MK III had stabilizer boxes fitted in front and also behind the prism tube.
I am fairly confident the IWM photo is a MK III.
regards.


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Post Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:34 pm
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Guys:
Regarding gun director types for the Tribals, apparently they started with MkIII uncovered directors and later the 285 'yagi' radar was added.
For Haida in 1944 true? From pictures, looks like it.
Post Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:33 pm
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Admiral John Byng wrote:
73 North, thanks for the info on the binoculars. I looked there the other day but failed to notice them so I have put them in my basket for next time.



Pleasure - These are what they look like on a Model ( and painted ) - if you compare them to the trumpeter Part
they have far, far more detail and have hollow ends at the front to mimic real binoculars

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Post Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:15 am
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73 North, thanks for the info on the binoculars. I looked there the other day but failed to notice them so I have put them in my basket for next time.
Post Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:33 pm
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I have bought the Alliance Model Works 'IJN Destroyer ' Bollards in 1/350 scale - for use on the HMS Eskimo Trumpeter Kit
and they are small , but the detail is far , far superior to the kit bollards - highly recommended for any Destroyer Model in 1/350 scale
another thing added to the Eskimo kit is the Shapeways MicroMaster ( By sozzap23 ) Ship Aftermarket Range - Binoculars
to replace the blobs supplied by Trumpeter . These are the 1/350 Scale WW2 Royal Navy Bridge Binoculars x 16 in 2 heights (8 of each).
These are Highly detailed bridge lookout Binoculars for a wide range of Royal Navy ships. Set contains 2 heights where bridge/lookout walls were higher.
The Taller set has a platform around base for operator. There are Enough sets for several projects.
https://www.shapeways.com/shops/micro-master
The Designer - sozzap23 - is very HIGHLY recommended - I have used him for the HMS Vendetta V & W Class Destroyer 1/350 scale Kit
to make bespoke items to convert the Destroyer to one from 1939 , with a refit Bridge , new Rangefinder and Director Control
( + midships dual sided pom-pom platform )

I have bought off Shapeways , several times , and can genuinely state they are superb items , far better than the Kit Plastic -
plus if you look through the range , you can have a ' shopping list , where you can replace kit examples and have a far more detailed part
and within 1-2 weeks it arrives at your front door by tracked , recorded delivery ( what's not to like ?
regards
David
Post Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:23 am
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Thanks tjstoneman, I had seen the overall photos of Tartar and that is what prompted my question. Dick, that closeup is exactly what I needed. It appears that the stepped platform is surrounded by a canvas screen, not metal as I would have expected but I now have enough info to replicate this area. Thanks again to both of you.
Doug
Post Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:45 am
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DJF, this is the best photo I am aware of showing this mounting on Tartar.

http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205155981

It looks as if a circular, stepped Oerlikon platform has been mounted on the original 0.5" platform and then the Oerlikon itself mounted on top of that.
Post Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:13 am
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In 1944, TARTAR's single 20mm guns amidships were fitted in the same locations as the as-fitted quadruple 0.5" guns had been, ie one each side, on the platform between the funnels. Not sure if the positions were surrounded by canvas screens or by metal splinter shields - I suspect the latter. They are clearly visible on the photo at http://www.maritimequest.com/warship_di ... rtar_a.jpg. Some other late-war RN Tribal class ships had the same arrangment - see http://www.navyphotos.co.uk/Destroyers% ... dww21b.jpg, as did some of the surviving "A" to "I" class ships - eg http://www.navyphotos.co.uk/Destroyers% ... icrs2b.jpg
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