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Well, there's some overscale versions from some earlier Pit-road accessory sets
Well, there's some overscale versions from some earlier Pit-road accessory sets :-)
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 7:51 am |
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Dan K wrote: I have no definitive answer after having gone thru all my references, but I'd have to say that it's very likely she still had her single 40mm AA weapons when sunk.
One of the later Gakken volumes tracks AA fit changes for the prior Hatsuharu class, and those do not swap out their 40s for the 25mm until very late 1942 into mid 1943.
The Japanese Wikipedia entry for the Shiratsuyus states that the ships of the class swapped out these mounts in late 1942. However, a glance through their individual TROMS show the possible yard visits occurring over much the same timeframe as the Shiratsuyus. HTH. Thank you Dan! I will place the 40mm guns in my model. The only drawback is that the guns provided by Fujimi is quite crude. However, there seems to have no aftermarket products to replace them.
[quote="Dan K"]I have no definitive answer after having gone thru all my references, but I'd have to say that it's very likely she still had her single 40mm AA weapons when sunk.
One of the later Gakken volumes tracks AA fit changes for the prior Hatsuharu class, and those do not swap out their 40s for the 25mm until very late 1942 into mid 1943.
The Japanese Wikipedia entry for the Shiratsuyus states that the ships of the class swapped out these mounts in late 1942. However, a glance through their individual TROMS show the possible yard visits occurring over much the same timeframe as the Shiratsuyus. HTH.[/quote]
Thank you Dan! I will place the 40mm guns in my model. The only drawback is that the guns provided by Fujimi is quite crude. However, there seems to have no aftermarket products to replace them.
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 9:47 pm |
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I have no definitive answer after having gone thru all my references, but I'd have to say that it's very likely she still had her single 40mm AA weapons when sunk.
One of the later Gakken volumes tracks AA fit changes for the prior Hatsuharu class, and those do not swap out their 40s for the 25mm until very late 1942 into mid 1943.
The Japanese Wikipedia entry for the Shiratsuyus states that the ships of the class swapped out these mounts in late 1942. However, a glance through their individual TROMS show the possible yard visits occurring over much the same timeframe as the Shiratsuyus. HTH.
I have no definitive answer after having gone thru all my references, but I'd have to say that it's very likely she still had her single 40mm AA weapons when sunk.
One of the later Gakken volumes tracks AA fit changes for the prior Hatsuharu class, and those do not swap out their 40s for the 25mm until very late 1942 into mid 1943.
The Japanese Wikipedia entry for the Shiratsuyus states that the ships of the class swapped out these mounts in late 1942. However, a glance through their individual TROMS show the possible yard visits occurring over much the same timeframe as the Shiratsuyus. HTH.
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 1:00 pm |
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Hi, all,
I am building the Yudachi using the Fujimi kit. My question is, what was her AA config. when she was sunk? Were her 40mm guns replaced by Type 93 25mm?
Thanks.
Hi, all,
I am building the Yudachi using the Fujimi kit. My question is, what was her AA config. when she was sunk? Were her 40mm guns replaced by Type 93 25mm?
Thanks.
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 4:20 am |
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Mike, I'm looking at the sprue breakdown here: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10227031Sprue C x2 comes with the single D turret and the regular, early war foremast. So, an early war version shouldn't be a problem. Conversely, IMHO, Fujimi seems to have erred a bit on Shigure's late war configuration. According to the Fukui Dec 1944 schematic, she has a conventional late war foremast to carry the the Type 22 radar, not the elongated configuration they put together here. Also, she carried a twin 25mm mount forward of the bridge, which Fujimi doesn't picture in its beauty shot, for some reason. HTH, Dan
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Mike,
I'm looking at the sprue breakdown here: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10227031
Sprue C x2 comes with the single D turret and the regular, early war foremast. So, an early war version shouldn't be a problem.
Conversely, IMHO, Fujimi seems to have erred a bit on Shigure's late war configuration. According to the Fukui Dec 1944 schematic, she has a conventional late war foremast to carry the the Type 22 radar, not the elongated configuration they put together here. Also, she carried a twin 25mm mount forward of the bridge, which Fujimi doesn't picture in its beauty shot, for some reason.
HTH, Dan
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:19 pm |
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Thanks Dan
That seems to only build into a pair of 4 gun ships. I was hoping for an early war 5 gun fit and a late war 4 gun with extra light AA fit in the same box, instead of 2 pretty much identical ships. I suppose I could do what I plan to do with several existing 2 ship sets I have, which is to build one and sell the other as a complete single kit.
thanks Mike
Thanks Dan
That seems to only build into a pair of 4 gun ships. I was hoping for an early war 5 gun fit and a late war 4 gun with extra light AA fit in the same box, instead of 2 pretty much identical ships. I suppose I could do what I plan to do with several existing 2 ship sets I have, which is to build one and sell the other as a complete single kit.
thanks Mike
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:56 am |
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Only if you get the Shigure/Samidare boxing. Shigure comes with her unique late war radar setup on the foremast.
I don't think there is a boxing with the std. late war foremast fitted to the other ships.
Only if you get the Shigure/Samidare boxing. Shigure comes with her unique late war radar setup on the foremast.
I don't think there is a boxing with the std. late war foremast fitted to the other ships.
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:23 am |
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Hi Folks
I just want to check something. The Fujimi twin sets of the Shiratsuyus - am I right in thinking you can't get an early war fit option and a late war fit option in the same box?
thanks Mike
Hi Folks
I just want to check something. The Fujimi twin sets of the Shiratsuyus - am I right in thinking you can't get an early war fit option and a late war fit option in the same box?
thanks Mike
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:32 am |
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Yes, those are the athwartship depth charge racks. The Shiratsuyus each came with two such racks, used to feed a Y-thrower that sits in front of each of them.
Yes, those are the athwartship depth charge racks. The Shiratsuyus each came with two such racks, used to feed a Y-thrower that sits in front of each of them.
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:51 pm |
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Dan K wrote: Quote: OK, I'm about to start on one of these - aiming for a 1942 configuration. I have the Rainbow kit to go with and plan on using some of that stuff. It shows a rack behind the aft turret that looks like additional storage for depth charges. Would that have been there in '42? Can you refer to a part # on the Rainbow set? This is not readily apparent to me. Sure, it's C9 in the Rainbow set and I believe it replaces part J2 in the kit. Thanks!
[quote="Dan K"][quote] OK, I'm about to start on one of these - aiming for a 1942 configuration. I have the Rainbow kit to go with and plan on using some of that stuff. It shows a rack behind the aft turret that looks like additional storage for depth charges. Would that have been there in '42?[/quote]
Can you refer to a part # on the Rainbow set? This is not readily apparent to me.[/quote]
Sure, it's C9 in the Rainbow set and I believe it replaces part J2 in the kit. Thanks!
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:37 pm |
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Quote: OK, I'm about to start on one of these - aiming for a 1942 configuration. I have the Rainbow kit to go with and plan on using some of that stuff. It shows a rack behind the aft turret that looks like additional storage for depth charges. Would that have been there in '42? Can you refer to a part # on the Rainbow set? This is not readily apparent to me.
[quote] OK, I'm about to start on one of these - aiming for a 1942 configuration. I have the Rainbow kit to go with and plan on using some of that stuff. It shows a rack behind the aft turret that looks like additional storage for depth charges. Would that have been there in '42?[/quote]
Can you refer to a part # on the Rainbow set? This is not readily apparent to me.
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:44 pm |
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I appreciate the help with the kit listings, but it would be better if they could be placed in the appropriate class threads. At some point, I will get to the full listings for the Akizukis and Kageros.
I appreciate the help with the kit listings, but it would be better if they could be placed in the appropriate class threads. At some point, I will get to the full listings for the Akizukis and Kageros.
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:43 pm |
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Dan K wrote: It's possible that these ships still had the single 40mms in place to either side of funnel #2 in May, 1942. There's just not enough information available about their fit at that time.
There's no single good reference for this class that I'm aware of. Everything I've gathered is pieced together from a variety of sources, and it' still far from complete. Some of the Japanese modeling books do a decent job of charting changes to fit. OK, I'm about to start on one of these - aiming for a 1942 configuration. I have the Rainbow kit to go with and plan on using some of that stuff. It shows a rack behind the aft turret that looks like additional storage for depth charges. Would that have been there in '42?
[quote="Dan K"]It's possible that these ships still had the single 40mms in place to either side of funnel #2 in May, 1942. There's just not enough information available about their fit at that time.
There's no single good reference for this class that I'm aware of. Everything I've gathered is pieced together from a variety of sources, and it' still far from complete. Some of the Japanese modeling books do a decent job of charting changes to fit.[/quote]
OK, I'm about to start on one of these - aiming for a 1942 configuration. I have the Rainbow kit to go with and plan on using some of that stuff. It shows a rack behind the aft turret that looks like additional storage for depth charges. Would that have been there in '42?
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:19 pm |
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Hi Thanks for clearing that up , that makes sense I see the next ' new ' IJN destroyer Kit will be by Wave Models - of the 1/350 1/350 Fuyutsuki 冬月 1945 which is scheduled to be released in December 2017 - https://hlj.com/product/WAVBB-102and on the Company's Twitter account - some great pictures - http://www.hobby-wave.com/LINE_UP/kit/e ... index.html Fuyutsuki classProject number F51. The Fuyutsuki subclass were originally going to be built to the same specifications as the Akizuki class but construction was more simplified. Four vessels were built under the Maru Kyū Programme (Ship # 361-364). Main differences from the Akizuki class were simplified bow design, removed rear deck house, and fitted two-dimensional air inlet for boilers. However, the IJN was not satisfied with the design. More modifications were ordered, leading to the Michitsuki subclass.
Hi
Thanks for clearing that up , that makes sense
I see the next ' new ' IJN destroyer Kit will be by Wave Models - of the 1/350 1/350[b] Fuyutsuki [/b]冬月 1945 which is scheduled to be released in December 2017 - https://hlj.com/product/WAVBB-102
and on the Company's Twitter account - some great pictures - http://www.hobby-wave.com/LINE_UP/kit/etc/fuyutsuki/index.html [b] Fuyutsuki class[/b] Project number F51. The Fuyutsuki subclass were originally going to be built to the same specifications as the Akizuki class but construction was more simplified. [b]Four [/b]vessels were built under the Maru Kyū Programme (Ship # 361-364). Main differences from the Akizuki class were simplified bow design, removed rear deck house, and fitted two-dimensional air inlet for boilers. However, the IJN was not satisfied with the design. More modifications were ordered, leading to the Michitsuki subclass.
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Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:13 am |
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73north wrote: IJN Akizuki ( AA Escort ) Class This was first made by made by Monochrome in 2008 , then Blue Water Navy and Wave Models in 2016/2017 respectively .
Suzutsuki 1945 - Monochrome - Nr. MCT103 Akizuki 1944 - Monochrome - Nr. MCT102 Akizuki 1942 - Monochrome - Nr. MCT101 IJN Destroyer Akizuki 1942/1944 Wave - Nr. BB-101 Akizuki - Blue Water Navy - Nr. BN 35067 Fuyutzuki 1945 Wave - Nr. BB-102W Akizuki 1942 Hobby Station - Nr. HS01001 I think they have the chronology wrong. I believe the BWN kit was released some time in the late 80's or during the 90's, because the masters were subsequently bought by Classic Warships, who sold them to Yankee Model Works, and from there they went to Blue Ridge Models, where they were retired. It was also a resin kit with a high price that was supplanted by the less expensive, injected plastic Monochrome kit.
[quote="73north"][b]IJN [color=#8000FF]Akizuki[/color] ( AA Escort ) Class [/b] This was first made by made by [b]Monochrome[/b] in 2008 , then [b]Blue Water Nav[/b]y and [b]Wave Models [/b]in 2016/2017 respectively .
Suzutsuki 1945 - Monochrome - Nr. MCT103 Akizuki 1944 - Monochrome - Nr. MCT102 Akizuki 1942 - Monochrome - Nr. MCT101 IJN Destroyer Akizuki 1942/1944 Wave - Nr. BB-101 Akizuki - Blue Water Navy - Nr. BN 35067 Fuyutzuki 1945 Wave - Nr. BB-102W Akizuki 1942 Hobby Station - Nr. HS01001[/quote]
I think they have the chronology wrong. I believe the BWN kit was released some time in the late 80's or during the 90's, because the masters were subsequently bought by Classic Warships, who sold them to Yankee Model Works, and from there they went to Blue Ridge Models, where they were retired. It was also a resin kit with a high price that was supplanted by the less expensive, injected plastic Monochrome kit.
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Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:24 am |
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There was no list of kits for this thread until I compiled and posted it yesterday.
There was no list of kits for this thread until I compiled and posted it yesterday. :smallsmile:
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:57 am |
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Dan K wrote: Kit list added 9/19/2017 Huh? I checked the list on the 1st page of this thread and didn't see any changes since 2012.
[quote="Dan K"]Kit list added 9/19/2017[/quote]
Huh? I checked the list on the 1st page of this thread and didn't see any changes since 2012.
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:47 pm |
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Kit list added 9/19/2017
Kit list added 9/19/2017
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:31 pm |
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Haijun watcher wrote: Hmm...from what I can find online both here on this site and other searches, there doesn't seem to be a 1/350 kit of any Shiratsuyu class destroyer, specifically the Shigure.
I'm hoping I'm wrong. The only 1/350 Kits for Japanese destroyers are the Kagero Class ( Kagero , Isokaze , Nowaki , and Yukikaze ) by the following 2 Manufacturers Tamiya Ship Series No.20 JAPANESE NAVY DESTROYER YUKIKAZE (1945 Version ) Tamiya Ship Series No.32 Japanese Navy Destroyer ' Kagero ' ( 1941 version ) Hasegawa 1/350 Japanese Destroyer Yukikaze 1940 Version ( Hasegawa -Nr. 40063 ) Hasegawa 1/350 Yukikaze - Operation Ten-Go 1945 Version ( Hasegawa - Nr. 40022 ) Hasegawa 1/350 Isokaze - Superdetail Hasegawa - Nr. 40069 - 1 ( produced 2008 ) Hasegawa 1/350 Nowaki - "Super Detail" Limited Edition ( Hasegawa - Nr. 40094 ) - new kit produced 2017 This limited edition kit features detail-up photo-etched parts plus three sets of decals for Nowaki, Hamakaze, and Tanikaze Fujimi - 1/350 Destroyer Yukikaze Number 46012 (Also listed as 350-003 or FUJ46012 ) and Yugumo Class Pit Road 1/350 IJN Yugumo ( reference WB-09 ) - interestingly it has a display stand with ' dry-dock ' which is exactly like the type Trumpeter provides IJN Akizuki ( AA Escort ) Class This was first made by made in Resin by Blue Water Navy and then later in 2008 onwards by Monochrome Models - then by Wave Models in 2016/2017 respectively . Suzutsuki 1945 - Monochrome - Nr. MCT103 Akizuki 1944 - Monochrome - Nr. MCT102 Akizuki 1942 - Monochrome - Nr. MCT101 IJN Destroyer Akizuki 1942/1944 Wave - Nr. BB-101 Akizuki - Blue Water Navy - Nr. BN 35067 Fuyutzuki 1945 Wave - Nr. BB-102W Akizuki 1942 Hobby Station - Nr. HS01001 and the Fubuki Class ( by Fine Molds ) Amagiri with US Navy PT-boat PT-109 by FineMolds - Nr. FW02 - 1:350 Ayanami - FineMolds - Nr. FW1 - 1:350 Shikinami Limited Edition - FineMolds - Nr. 38901 - 1:350 - ( note there is at the present no super-detail photo-etch set for any of these Fine Molds Kit ) and finally the Shimakaze ( Super Destroyer with 3 x quintuple TT's - only one ever built - also Tier 10 in World of warships ! ) Hasegawa Japanese Navy Destroyer Shimakaze “Late War” Version ( Ship Series No. Z29, SKU# 40029 ) Shimakaze - Fujimi - Nr. 460017 - 1:350 Kit released 2015 I have edited this list of IJN Destroyers from Scalemates and the internet - any omissions are my fault - but its pretty comprehensive - there are a few re-boxings of the Fine Molds Fubuki Class - that I have not listed but they cover the same ships listed above - so as far as I know - its comprehensive ( as of September 2017 ) kind regards David Walker
[quote="Haijun watcher"]Hmm...from what I can find online both here on this site and other searches, there doesn't seem to be a 1/350 kit of any [i]Shiratsuyu[/i] class destroyer, specifically the [i]Shigure[/i].
I'm hoping I'm wrong.[/quote]
The only 1/350 Kits for Japanese destroyers are the [b][color=#0000FF]Kagero Class [/color][/b]( Kagero , Isokaze , Nowaki , and Yukikaze ) by the following 2 Manufacturers
Tamiya Ship Series No.20 JAPANESE NAVY DESTROYER YUKIKAZE (1945 Version ) Tamiya Ship Series No.32 Japanese Navy Destroyer ' Kagero ' ( 1941 version ) Hasegawa 1/350 Japanese Destroyer Yukikaze 1940 Version ( Hasegawa -Nr. 40063 ) Hasegawa 1/350 Yukikaze - Operation Ten-Go 1945 Version ( Hasegawa - Nr. 40022 ) Hasegawa 1/350 Isokaze - Superdetail Hasegawa - Nr. 40069 - 1 ( produced 2008 ) Hasegawa 1/350 Nowaki - "Super Detail" Limited Edition ( Hasegawa - Nr. 40094 ) - new kit produced 2017 This limited edition kit features detail-up photo-etched parts plus three sets of decals for Nowaki, Hamakaze, and Tanikaze Fujimi - 1/350 Destroyer Yukikaze Number 46012 (Also listed as 350-003 or FUJ46012 )
and[color=#0000FF] Yugumo [/color]Class Pit Road 1/350 IJN Yugumo ( reference WB-09 ) - interestingly it has a display stand with ' dry-dock ' which is exactly like the type Trumpeter provides
[b]IJN [color=#8000FF]Akizuki[/color] ( AA Escort ) Class [/b] This was first made by made in Resin by Blue Water Navy and then later in 2008 onwards by Monochrome Models - then by [b]Wave Models [/b]in 2016/2017 respectively .
Suzutsuki 1945 - Monochrome - Nr. MCT103 Akizuki 1944 - Monochrome - Nr. MCT102 Akizuki 1942 - Monochrome - Nr. MCT101 IJN Destroyer Akizuki 1942/1944 Wave - Nr. BB-101 Akizuki - Blue Water Navy - Nr. BN 35067 Fuyutzuki 1945 Wave - Nr. BB-102W Akizuki 1942 Hobby Station - Nr. HS01001
and the[b] [color=#BF00FF]Fubuki Class [/color][/b]( by Fine Molds )
[b]Amagiri[/b] with US Navy PT-boat PT-109 by FineMolds - Nr. FW02 - 1:350 [b]Ayanam[/b]i - FineMolds - Nr. FW1 - 1:350 [b] Shikinami[/b] Limited Edition - FineMolds - Nr. 38901 - 1:350 - ( note there is at the present no super-detail photo-etch set for any of these Fine Molds Kit )
and finally the [b][color=#BF00FF]Shimakaze[/color][/b] ( Super Destroyer with 3 x quintuple TT's - only one ever built - also Tier 10 in World of warships ! ) Hasegawa Japanese Navy Destroyer Shimakaze “Late War” Version ( Ship Series No. Z29, SKU# 40029 ) Shimakaze - Fujimi - Nr. 460017 - 1:350 Kit released 2015
I have edited this list of IJN Destroyers from Scalemates and the internet - any omissions are my fault - but its pretty comprehensive - there are a few [b]re-boxings [/b]of the Fine Molds Fubuki Class - that I have not listed but they cover the same ships listed above - so as far as I know - its comprehensive ( as of September 2017 ) kind regards David Walker
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Unfortunately, you are not wrong. Let's hope that changes at some future point.
Unfortunately, you are not wrong. Let's hope that changes at some future point.
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:20 pm |
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