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Tracy, tell me you don't want JPJ so you can play Battleship against the Aliens!! Cuz, I won't believe you. The shafts appear to be parallel to the keel, as they should be, on the kit. So the whole lot needs to be moved inwards. Technically, not a big challenge, but disappointing. The Props are actually pretty faithful to the original style of props used, as shown in the pic below. I agree, they could use an upgrade, but not completely unusable. The Bigger issue I see is the Transom. Martins photo isn't 90 degrees dead on, but it captures the problem. As you can see in the pic below, it just doesn't look right. The sides need a steeper angle, and I'd have to measure the kit to see if it is even the correct width. That being said, I am very happy that they are bringing out such a nicely detailed kit of a modern USN workhorse. I don't personally go for 1/200, but the scale seems to be doing well.
Tracy, tell me you don't want JPJ so you can play Battleship against the Aliens!! Cuz, I won't believe you.
The shafts appear to be parallel to the keel, as they should be, on the kit. So the whole lot needs to be moved inwards. Technically, not a big challenge, but disappointing. The Props are actually pretty faithful to the original style of props used, as shown in the pic below. I agree, they could use an upgrade, but not completely unusable.
The Bigger issue I see is the Transom. Martins photo isn't 90 degrees dead on, but it captures the problem. As you can see in the pic below, it just doesn't look right. The sides need a steeper angle, and I'd have to measure the kit to see if it is even the correct width.
That being said, I am very happy that they are bringing out such a nicely detailed kit of a modern USN workhorse. I don't personally go for 1/200, but the scale seems to be doing well.
[img]http://www.resinshipyard.com/pictures/Kit%20details/DDG%2051%20ARLEIGH%20BURKE%201-200%20kit%20hull.jpg[/img]
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:27 pm |
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Martin's review of the new I Love Kit 1/200 DDG-54 Curtis Wilbur is now online here. Keith Bender noticed and noted that the rudder and "shafts" are too far apart,, but I'm wondering if that's both fore and aft or if only the aft ends are misplaced and mayve the hull interface is less of an issue. Given the props are reversed in pitch, I hope we see a set of 3D printed replacements. All told I'm happy with mine and plan to do John Paul Johns as I was able to tour her last year and I've always liked the man and the ships named after him.
Martin's review of the new I Love Kit 1/200 DDG-54 Curtis Wilbur is now online [url=http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/ddg/ddg-54/ILoveKitCurtisWilbur/ILK62007.htm]here[/url]. Keith Bender noticed and noted that the rudder and "shafts" are too far apart,, but I'm wondering if that's both fore and aft or if only the aft ends are misplaced and mayve the hull interface is less of an issue.
Given the props are reversed in pitch, I hope we see a set of 3D printed replacements. All told I'm happy with mine and plan to do John Paul Johns as I was able to tour her last year and I've always liked the man and the ships named after him.
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:51 am |
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But you can see on the photos of USS Paul Ignatius (DDG-117) that she has a Phalanx in front of the bridge and a SeaRAM on the rear position The ships of the class based in Rota are all modified. The question referred to a wrong statement from me - I was talking about two Phalanx, but she has only one and a SeaRAM.
But you can see on the photos of USS [i]Paul Ignatius[/i] (DDG-117) that she has a Phalanx in front of the bridge and a SeaRAM on the rear position ;) The ships of the class based in Rota are all modified. The question referred to a wrong statement from me - I was talking about two Phalanx, but she has only one and a SeaRAM.
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:16 am |
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And where is the 2nd Phalanx gun on 117?[/quote]
From DDG 85 onwards they only have one CIWS that is located in the aft position. The forward position is going be the Laser weapon once they have a final design. DDG 105 and two other ships have had the laser weapon added where the forward CIWS would normally be. Many of the ships have what I call the armchair structure on the forward structure where the forward CIWS would be while others have a flat deck. However DDG 117 has the one CIWS mounted forward while the aft location supports a Sea Ram launcher.
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And where is the 2nd Phalanx gun on 117?[/quote]
From DDG 85 onwards they only have one CIWS that is located in the aft position. The forward position is going be the Laser weapon once they have a final design. DDG 105 and two other ships have had the laser weapon added where the forward CIWS would normally be. Many of the ships have what I call the armchair structure on the forward structure where the forward CIWS would be while others have a flat deck. However DDG 117 has the one CIWS mounted forward while the aft location supports a Sea Ram launcher.
Duane
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:39 pm |
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Gents, just noticed, for anyone who may have downloaded the pics in my DDG51 post, page 23, that I miscaptioned / mislabeled the 2nd photo down (which no doubt some have already figured out). It should of course read DDG51 ( not 117)!
Gents, just noticed, for anyone who may have downloaded the pics in my DDG51 post, page 23, that I miscaptioned / mislabeled the 2nd photo down (which no doubt some have already figured out). It should of course read DDG51 ([i]not[/i] 117)! :roll_eyes:
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:09 am |
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Very interesting and thank you for the link. Curtis Wilber recently returned to the West Coast from Japan for overhaul.
Very interesting and thank you for the link. Curtis Wilber recently returned to the West Coast from Japan for overhaul.
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:41 pm |
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A modular electronic warfare system known as the AN/SLQ-59. The Drive has a lengthy article about it here (the goodies start around a third of the way down the page): https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/2 ... leet-ships
A modular electronic warfare system known as the AN/SLQ-59. The Drive has a lengthy article about it here (the goodies start around a third of the way down the page): https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29626/shadowy-new-electronic-warfare-system-has-been-installed-on-u-s-navy-7th-fleet-ships
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 3:46 pm |
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Recently came across this image of the USS Curtis Wilber on the http://www.navysite.de website and wondered if anyone knows what it is? Attachment:
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Recently came across this image of the USS Curtis Wilber on the http://www.navysite.de website and wondered if anyone knows what it is? [attachment=0]ddg54 Bridge Wing.jpg[/attachment]
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 3:37 pm |
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KevinD wrote: And where is the 2nd Phalanx gun on 117? Sorry, the interesting aspect was that Paul Ignatius (DDG-117) has the forward Phalanx, which is unusual for a newer Flight IIA. There is no second Phalanx, because she has a SeaRAM aft instead of the Phalanx there. Most newer Arleigh Burke are prepared for a forward Phalanx, but have non. Paul Ignatius was completed with no forward Phalanx: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:USS_Paul_Ignatius_(DDG-117)_prepares_to_moor_at_Naval_Station_Mayport_on_31_July_2019_-_2.jpgPerhaps she got the forward one when she got the SeaRAM for the deployment to Europe.
[quote="KevinD"]And where is the 2nd Phalanx gun on 117?[/quote]
Sorry, the interesting aspect was that [i]Paul Ignatius[/i] (DDG-117) has the forward Phalanx, which is unusual for a newer Flight IIA. There is no second Phalanx, because she has a SeaRAM aft instead of the Phalanx there. Most newer Arleigh Burke are prepared for a forward Phalanx, but have non. [i]Paul Ignatius[/i] was completed with no forward Phalanx:
[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/USS_Paul_Ignatius_%28DDG-117%29_prepares_to_moor_at_Naval_Station_Mayport_on_31_July_2019_-_2.jpg/800px-USS_Paul_Ignatius_%28DDG-117%29_prepares_to_moor_at_Naval_Station_Mayport_on_31_July_2019_-_2.jpg?20190808055245[/img] [url]https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:USS_Paul_Ignatius_(DDG-117)_prepares_to_moor_at_Naval_Station_Mayport_on_31_July_2019_-_2.jpg[/url]
Perhaps she got the forward one when she got the SeaRAM for the deployment to Europe.
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:24 am |
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Timmy C wrote: Quote: And where is the 2nd Phalanx gun on 117? The newer Burkes have been entering service with only one Phalanx, so nothing unusual there. Some of them are even getting lasers put into that spot! Pardon, misread of my post there. That is, Maxim said " Interesting that Paul Ignatius has also two Phalanx guns" and I was asking where the 2nd one was located (as thought there was only one)? But thanks re Harpoon ID.
[quote="Timmy C"] [quote]And where is the 2nd Phalanx gun on 117?[/quote] The newer Burkes have been entering service with only one Phalanx, so nothing unusual there. Some of them are even getting lasers put into that spot![/quote] Pardon, misread of my post there. That is, Maxim said "[i]Interesting that Paul Ignatius has also two Phalanx guns[/i]" and I was asking where the 2nd one was located (as thought there was only one)? But thanks re Harpoon ID.
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:20 am |
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KevinD wrote: What is in the quad tubes just aft of the SeaRAM launcher on 51?
These tubes? They're the Harpoons. Attachment:
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Quote: And where is the 2nd Phalanx gun on 117? The newer Burkes have been entering service with only one Phalanx, so nothing unusual there. Some of them are even getting lasers put into that spot!
[quote="KevinD"]What is in the quad tubes just aft of the SeaRAM launcher on 51?
[/quote] These tubes? They're the Harpoons. [attachment=0]harpoons.jpg[/attachment]
[quote]And where is the 2nd Phalanx gun on 117?[/quote] The newer Burkes have been entering service with only one Phalanx, so nothing unusual there. Some of them are even getting lasers put into that spot!
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:01 am |
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What is in the quad tubes just aft of the SeaRAM launcher on 51?
And where is the 2nd Phalanx gun on 117?
What is in the quad tubes just aft of the SeaRAM launcher on 51?
And where is the 2nd Phalanx gun on 117?
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:47 am |
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Thank you very much for the photos! Interesting that Paul Ignatius has also two Phalanx guns. There is a difference, which I had not noticed for some time: the newer Arleigh Burke - starting with DDG-113 (the first restart) - lack the port anchor. Here, Thomas Hudner (DDG-116): https://www.modellmarine.de/index.php/fotogalerien/271-aktive-schiffe/6644-lenkwaffenzerstoerer-uss-thomas-hudner-in-kiel-2021Compare to Bainbridge (DDG-96): https://www.modellmarine.de/index.php/fotogalerien/271-aktive-schiffe/5767-zerstoerer-gravely-bainbridge
Thank you very much for the photos!
Interesting that [i]Paul Ignatius[/i] has also two Phalanx guns.
There is a difference, which I had not noticed for some time: the newer Arleigh Burke - starting with DDG-113 (the first restart) - lack the port anchor.
Here, [i]Thomas Hudner[/i] (DDG-116):
[img]https://www.modellmarine.de/images/albums/thomas-hudner-kiel21/thomas-hudner03.jpg[/img] [url]https://www.modellmarine.de/index.php/fotogalerien/271-aktive-schiffe/6644-lenkwaffenzerstoerer-uss-thomas-hudner-in-kiel-2021[/url]
Compare to [i]Bainbridge[/i] (DDG-96):
[img]https://www.modellmarine.de/images/albums/bainbridge-kiel18/bainbridge04.jpg[/img] [url]https://www.modellmarine.de/index.php/fotogalerien/271-aktive-schiffe/5767-zerstoerer-gravely-bainbridge[/url]
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:24 am |
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 3:22 am |
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 3:19 am |
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Hi, Muy Uss Momsen late versión: viewtopic.php?f=60&t=333026Now I'm building the Uss Mustin with the kit of Forrest Sherman.
Hi,
Muy Uss Momsen late versión: http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=333026
Now I'm building the Uss Mustin with the kit of Forrest Sherman.
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:29 am |
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Use your favourite conversion chart to convert the FS numbers in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=69&t=104955
Use your favourite conversion chart to convert the FS numbers in this thread: http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=104955
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:48 pm |
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Does anyone know which Revell (Aqua) colors you should use for a Burke? Mainly looking for hull/superstructure, SPY and Main Deck colors. Thanks in advance from a lonely Revell user
Does anyone know which Revell (Aqua) colors you should use for a Burke? Mainly looking for hull/superstructure, SPY and Main Deck colors. Thanks in advance from a lonely Revell user :heh:
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:37 pm |
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SeaRAM are on the ships forward deployed to Rota, Spain, for BMD duties because while operating in BMD mode, their older Aegis versions are not able to conduct normal anti-air defence. For now there have been/are five ships: the original four that started in 2015, plus Roosevelt replacing Carney for the second rotation. The other three replacements will come in 2022. First rotation starting 2015 were Porter, Donald Cook, Ross, and Carney: https://news.usni.org/2015/05/01/bmd-eq ... rota-spainSecond rotation starting with Roosevelt: https://news.usni.org/2020/04/15/destro ... -black-seaNote that although Roosevelt supposedly has an upgraded Aegis baseline to enable simultaneous BMD and air-defence, it still received the SeaRAM - it may be a hedge in the event that the baseline upgraded was delayed, or they thought it'd be good to have anyway. On the Mk59 decoys, I think they're pretty wide-spread now that it'd be easier to find ships that don't have those distinctive tubes.
SeaRAM are on the ships forward deployed to Rota, Spain, for BMD duties because while operating in BMD mode, their older Aegis versions are not able to conduct normal anti-air defence. For now there have been/are five ships: the original four that started in 2015, plus Roosevelt replacing Carney for the second rotation. The other three replacements will come in 2022.
First rotation starting 2015 were Porter, Donald Cook, Ross, and Carney: https://news.usni.org/2015/05/01/bmd-equipped-destroyer-uss-porter-arrives-in-rota-spain Second rotation starting with Roosevelt: https://news.usni.org/2020/04/15/destroyer-uss-roosevelt-now-in-europe-uss-porter-operating-in-black-sea
Note that although Roosevelt supposedly has an upgraded Aegis baseline to enable simultaneous BMD and air-defence, it still received the SeaRAM - it may be a hedge in the event that the baseline upgraded was delayed, or they thought it'd be good to have anyway.
On the Mk59 decoys, I think they're pretty wide-spread now that it'd be easier to find ships that don't have those distinctive tubes.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:20 pm |
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Some fantastic reference photos. Forrest Sherman is in a yard period right now, and I was wondering if anyone knows if she will get the same upgrades? Which brought up 2 questions: 1. Is there a list of which ships now have Searam? 2. Is there a list of which ships have the Mk 59 decoys?
Some fantastic reference photos. Forrest Sherman is in a yard period right now, and I was wondering if anyone knows if she will get the same upgrades? Which brought up 2 questions: 1. Is there a list of which ships now have Searam? 2. Is there a list of which ships have the Mk 59 decoys?
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:44 am |
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