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Topic review - Calling all IJN Kagero class fans!
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  Post subject:  Re: Akigumo during Kiska evacuation operation.  Reply with quote
If these were runs to Kolombangara in the Jan 22-24, 1943 timeframe, they were likely not troop evacuations, but transport runs with equipment, fuel & ammunition for the airfield under construction there. Unfortunately they were interdicted by USN surface units and a/c & most of the materiel destroyed or rendered useless.

But, wherever this was taken, I must say it's pretty hard to believe they would have towed that daihatsu (or whatever it is) at high speed for any length of time...

I think MYOKO may have also had a funnel painted white at some point (later) in her wartime career. But I can't swear to it just now. I have one photo that suggests it, but it is not a good image & I cannot tell the exact date or location.
Post Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 10:27 am
  Post subject:  Re: Akigumo during Kiska evacuation operation.  Reply with quote
berend wrote:
To me it is a surpise that No. 2 funnel is painted white on all 3 destroyers. I wonder if that is correct and if yes were these funnels painted white on all destroyers taking part in this operation?

Wasn't just DDs...a photo taken of Nachi during this period also shows her aft funnel painted white.
Post Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 8:30 am
  Post subject:  Re: Akigumo during Kiska evacuation operation.  Reply with quote
To me it is a surpise that No. 2 funnel is painted white on all 3 destroyers. I wonder if that is correct and if yes were these funnels painted white on all destroyers taking part in this operation?
Post Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 7:57 am
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all IJN Kagero class fans!  Reply with quote
Versus similar work on the regular Fujimi kit, which needed extra work to flatten, and needed a customized waterline plate.

Of course, my experience may not be shared by others. Feel free to chime in :smallsmile:


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:34 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all IJN Kagero class fans!  Reply with quote
I have the both the Fujimi "regular" Yukikaze kit and their Yugumo NEXT kits (which is only missing the Kagero class bridge pieces to qualify as a Kagero class kit) and IMHO, the NEXT kit is superior in terms of detail and sharpness. Plus the hull lies flat. I had used the Aoshima hull and a Fujimi regular kit aft deckhouse for a build of Isokaze in late 1944 (gallery to be posted eventually), but that was before the NEXT kit came out. Doing it again, I would definitely use the NEXT late war hull, though that degaussing cable pattern precludes Isokaze.

Now, having said that, the ideal would be to kit-bash the Fujimi regular and NEXT kit parts. Which is pretty much what I'm doing in a very slow, very low priority side build. The NEXT hull and aft deckhouse are clearly superior, the bridge likely so. OTOH, the regular kit funnels and RDF compartment don't have the sink holes that the NEXT kits has, and the funnels are superior. Plus, the regular kit waterline plate fits almost perfectly (see below). If you are going to use styrene masts, then the regular kit parts are better scaled.

It is a bit of a pain to eliminate all the holes in the decking where the NEXT small parts go, but one could actually glue in those next parts and then slice them off at the deck level, before inserting and/or gluing the deck piece into the hull There are plenty of good aftermarket styrene accessories for things like 25mm AA, davits, boats, etc.

As far as PE goes, Fujimi's own set for the NEXT kit looks decent. Five Star also makes a regular and an "easy" full PE set for the Fujimi kit, and these are likely superior to the Fujimi set. (For the life of me, I can't see what the difference between the two Five Star sets are.) The only qualifier for all of these PE sets is that these all use solid splinter shielding around the 25mmAA positions, when in fact they were just canvas covered railings.


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:22 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all IJN Kagero class fans!  Reply with quote
Makes sense, thanks for the info guys. The same thing happens with the hull reds I presume.

So changing the topic a bit, I'm also planning on doing a late-war fit of a Kagero-Class but in 1/700. The newest mold is the Fujimi Next, but I am not sure how good it is, being snap-fit and all. Maybe an older mold is better? :scratch: I know about the Yugumo with the Kagero deck but not about the normal Kagero one, so that's why I ask. Also, any idea for a good PE set to replace the over scaled parts on this kit? Thanks.
Post Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:58 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all IJN Kagero class fans!  Reply with quote
Agreed. Between weathering, production variances (maybe even different suppliers), etc., it's a certainty that no single shade is absolutely correct. I think it's fine.
Post Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:37 pm
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Paint guides should always be treated with a grain of salt regardless of manufacturer. Printing issues can cause variation, and some manufactures don't do a lot of research to determine the actual, accurate colors. That said, I'm not an expert in Japanese linoleum manufacture, so I'm not sure how much variation there was from the factories and how it would tend to weather.
Post Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:30 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all IJN Kagero class fans!  Reply with quote
Hi guys, I'm working on my first ship, a Tamiya 1/350 Kagero and while researching for the linoleum deck paint color I found a variety of tones for it, as expected. I have the Mr. Color Linoleum deck color (SC06), it is kinda similar to Tamiya's (a bit more darker) but it is different to the painting guide that came with the ship and even the guide from my Hasegawa Nagato (which even suggest the Mr. Color one). In the guides, the color appears to have more orange or yellow. Would the Mr. color one still be accurate enough? And in that note, was the linoleum deck color the same 'tone' across ship types?

Thanks,

Chris


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:25 am
  Post subject:  Re: Akigumo during Kiska evacuation operation.  Reply with quote
You beat me to it. :smallsmile:

So, that's two Yugumos and one Asashio in the box.


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:26 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Akigumo during Kiska evacuation operation.  Reply with quote
Interesting development:
Hasaegawa is going to release a Yugumo/Kazagumo/Asagumo during occupation of Kiska carrying a barge at the stern in 1/700. There will be 3 kits in the box.

Regards,

Berend.
Post Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:40 am
  Post subject:  Re: Akigumo during Kiska evacuation operation.  Reply with quote
The date is intriguing. There are a number of troop reinforcement runs to Rekata and Kolombangara around that date. The most likely seems to be the one to Rekata by Kurushio, Maikaze, Isokaze, & Tokitsukaze that arrived there on the 24th.

The daihatsu is riding high in the water, and the ship seems to be traveling at a high rate of speed, which makes me wonder if this photo was taken on the return trip when the craft was empty.
Post Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:45 am
  Post subject:  Re: Akigumo during Kiska evacuation operation.  Reply with quote
Yes I sent you this picture. This is 23 January 1943. Troop evacuation run. Fast in fast out. In case there is a ramp there may not have been enough time for taking the barge on board again. Towing it fom start to finsih seems indeed more likely though.

Regards,

Berfend
Post Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:38 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Akigumo during Kiska evacuation operation.  Reply with quote
I forgot from where I received this photo. Perhaps you? This location is unknown, but this does illustrate that it seems more likely that the destroyers just towed the daihatsus at some point. I suppose that some of the equipment on the deck "might" be part of a ramp arrangement. Hard to say.


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Post Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:51 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Akigumo during Kiska evacuation operation.  Reply with quote
Unfortunately, with all the other 1/700 Kagero kits already out there, I think it very unlikely that Hasegawa is going to produce one.

There may be other questions regarding the actual fit of Akigumo at Kiska beyond the question of the arrangement of the mounted daihatsu. I know that she had a refit at Yokosuka just before the Kiska evacuation operation (late May - early June), and I wondered if perhaps she'd had her foremast partially altered in anticipation of mounting a Type 22 radar at some point. I think, at the very least, she had the E-27 passive radar detectors (Gyaku-tan) fitted to her bridge faces.

A translation of her Japanese Wikipedia article seems to corroborate this: "From May 31st to June 5th, maintenance was carried out at the Yokosuka Navy Arsenal , and construction of new radio weapons was carried out [63]."
Post Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:43 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Akigumo during Kiska evacuation operation.  Reply with quote
Thank you for your reaction Dan,

I know the drawing you've shown and like you I have not found something that confirms the use of a barge in this way. The painting of the funnel is also interesting. Would be nice if Hasegawa released a Kagero class destroyer in 1/700.

Regards,

Berend.
Post Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:36 am
  Post subject:  Re: Akigumo during Kiska evacuation operation.  Reply with quote
Well, Berend, for starters, Hasegawa doesn't make a Kagero class kit in 1/700. Only Yugumos and Asashios. :wave_1:

Further, while the configuration on Akigumo's stern is very interesting, I am unaware of any documentation on this particular fit. I have seen a very fine 1/700 build of Usugumo, 1942 with this same configuration from the new Yamashita Hobby Type I Fubuki kit in a Navy Yard magazine, but again, I don't know where the builder's information comes from.

The only documentation I've seen on carrying a daihatsu on a DD comes from a Gakken volume regarding a similar arrangement on the Asashio class DD Oshio. There, the daihatsu was moved by large davits.


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Post Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:22 pm
  Post subject:  Akigumo during Kiska evacuation operation.  Reply with quote
Does someone know if this Hasegawa 1/350 version of Akigumo showing her equipped for the Kiska evacuation operation will be avaialble in 1/700 too?

https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10578776

Regards,

Berend
Post Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:31 am
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all IJN Kagero class fans!  Reply with quote
Thanks for the update on the new Fujimi Yugumo destroyer, gentlemen. I'm surprised (and saddened) that Fujimi would make such an obvious error with the hull form, and one not easily corrected. It is good to know, however, that the corresponding Kagero release looks so promising.
Post Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:28 pm
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Yes, Hasegawa is still king of the Yugumos.

I'm headed out of town for a bit, so no time to post any other pics, but the deck pieces are nice, so is the aft deck house, turrets (Type D only) and TT mounts.

The early war hull has open portholes; it's really nice. Both hulls have the Yukikaze degaussing cable pattern. Also nicely done. Also the proper amount of freeboad. But, no waterline plate. So, if you want to display them as waterline, you have to accept a little less freeboard, or possibly scrounge the waterline plate from the earlier Fujimi kit, Pit-Road, or more likely, the Aoshima kit. That's why I showed the pic from the bottom. Like I said, the hull is a great starting point for a kitbash.

OTOH, lots of flash on both kits, and I hate the funnels (earlier Fujimi kit is the best) and the RDF/auxiliary steering station. Can't judge the bridge because it's a Yugumo bridge.
Post Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:04 am

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