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Topic review - Calling all Royal Navy Battle class fans
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all Royal Navy Battle class fans  Reply with quote
tjstoneman wrote:
The photo of MATAPAN being scrapped is taken from Ian Buxton To Sail No More Part 4 (Liskeard: Maritime Books, 2000). The French website cited by peppe took it from there (with, or without approval), as evidenced by the text box shown; I'm not sure of the provenance and copyright of the original photo. This book contains a couple of other photos of the ship, one taken from ahead whilst scrapping is in progress.


Many thanks indeed, that is a huge help!
Post Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:38 am
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The photo of MATAPAN being scrapped is taken from Ian Buxton To Sail No More Part 4 (Liskeard: Maritime Books, 2000). The French website cited by peppe took it from there (with, or without approval), as evidenced by the text box shown; I'm not sure of the provenance and copyright of the original photo. This book contains a couple of other photos of the ship, one taken from ahead whilst scrapping is in progress.
Post Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:03 am
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i find the foto in a french forum, you can ask there
http://forummarine.forumactif.com/t7637 ... au-duchess
ciao peppe
Post Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:57 pm
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2 from a russian magazine, one from a japanese history of british destroyers
ciao peppe


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Post Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:16 am
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WOW, that second photo really helps! :thumbs_up_1: Any idea what book it was published in?

Any similar photos (inc. the of the aft end of the skeg/false-keel) would be very much appreciated! ;)
Post Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:30 am
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all i have from the net
ciao peppe


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Post Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:17 am
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Does anyone have any details of any kind (photos, lines, body plan etc. etc.... anything at all really) for HMS Matapan (D43) post-conversion to sonar trials ship please? I'm interested in details for the whole ship, but especially below the waterline (i.e. the sonar skeg). I've attached a profile from Norman Friedman's British Destroyers & Frigates and a photo I have of her in dry dock (I'd love to find photos without the scaffolding in place!).

Many thanks

Andy


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Post Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:53 am
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Maarten Schönfeld wrote:
As a coincidence, I'm also trying my hand at the old Frog/Novo battle kit -- and reducing it to 1:350 scale in my stride. That proved easier than I thought: just take out 24mm from the length amidhips, 6-7 mm either side from the keel, and trimming the top edges. Then fitting new decks, with beveled edges into the hull.

Have a look whether you like it! Some of the smaller parts appear to be closer to 1:350 than 1:325 in fact, like the turrets and lattice foremast. I will replace it eventually by WEM PE anyway. Now looking around for good 1:350 40mm Hazemeyer twin Bofors... any suggestions?

I believe it's time to give you an update on my Frog 'Barfleur' attempt. She is beginning to look much like the real thing I think. I have scratch built the HACS Mk VI and the 4" QF behind the funnel, and tried to improve the 4.5" turrets to something looking more like the original. But now on to scratch building the four Hazemeyers!
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Post Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:21 am
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Maarten Schönfeld wrote:
davepb wrote:
Just converting a Frog Battle into the original fit of HMS Matapan to go with my 1970's trials ship conversion. There are some very good photos of the builders model of HMS Alamein on this page:
https://stefsap.wordpress.com/2015/11/1 ... ers-model/
When zooming in, some excellent detail is revealed.


As a coincidence, I'm also trying my hand at the old Frog/Novo battle kit -- and reducing it to 1:350 scale in my stride. That proved easier than I thought: just take out 24mm from the length amidhips, 6-7 mm either side from the keel, and trimming the top edges. Then fitting new decks, with beveled edges into the hull.

Have a look whether you like it! Some of the smaller parts appear to be closer to 1:350 than 1:325 in fact, like the turrets and lattice foremast. I will replace it eventually by WEM PE anyway. Now looking around for good 1:350 40mm Hazemeyer twin Bofors... any suggestions?
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That looks pretty smart. You could look at Peter Hall's etch for the Frog kit, quite a lot will fit in with what you have done. He is also planning to produce a 350 scale Battle, maybe two versions!
Post Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:24 am
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davepb wrote:
This is the original entry in the John Lambert Catalogue. As it is a 1943 Battle that I'm building, I feel I have to bow to his expertise. Many thanks for the drawing of the PR II Mounting, it does give probably enough detail for me to tie in with the photos of the builders model of HMS Alamein I mentioned in an earlier post.

QUINTUPLE 21-in. PR MARK III TORPEDO TUBES - 1944


L/O/93

A and B

Two detailed sheets showing the tubes carried by the second group (1943) 'Battle Class' Fleet destroyers. (Drawn at �-in. per foot).

Sheet A showing Side, front, rear and plan views, plus 21-in. Mark IX torpedo, transporting bogie (8 drawings).

Sheet B shows detail and construction. (11 drawings).


Two large sheets. 19 drawings total. Drawn November 1997.


Hi Davepb,

I found the pentuble tubes in the Frog kit quite usable, but had to reduce them in length at their muzzle to become true 1:350 scale. For my version (the Barfleur) I took off one of the tubes, as this ship had quadruples instead, and detailed them as required.

Reasonable good pentuples are in the WEM kit of the J,K and N classes, but not very detailed. Building your own from scratch shouldn't be very difficult either.

Do you happen to know a source for 40mm twin Bofors Hazemeyer mounts? I only found Mk V mounts from North Star, these are very different though.
Post Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:54 am
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This is the original entry in the John Lambert Catalogue. As it is a 1943 Battle that I'm building, I feel I have to bow to his expertise. Many thanks for the drawing of the PR II Mounting, it does give probably enough detail for me to tie in with the photos of the builders model of HMS Alamein I mentioned in an earlier post.

QUINTUPLE 21-in. PR MARK III TORPEDO TUBES - 1944


L/O/93

A and B

Two detailed sheets showing the tubes carried by the second group (1943) 'Battle Class' Fleet destroyers. (Drawn at �-in. per foot).

Sheet A showing Side, front, rear and plan views, plus 21-in. Mark IX torpedo, transporting bogie (8 drawings).

Sheet B shows detail and construction. (11 drawings).


Two large sheets. 19 drawings total. Drawn November 1997.
Post Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:19 am
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John Campbell, Naval Weapons of WW2, has John Lambert's orthogonal scaled drawing of the RN quadruple TT mounting Mark VIII. The drawing matches Brett Morrow's useful photo here of the quintuple TT mounting aboard HMAS Anzac, less the tube closest to the camera.
Post Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:00 pm
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I thought the Battles were fitted with MK IV mountings?
Is this photo any help to you Dave? tube set on HMAS Anzac


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 4:49 pm
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davepb wrote:
Just converting a Frog Battle into the original fit of HMS Matapan to go with my 1970's trials ship conversion. There are some very good photos of the builders model of HMS Alamein on this page:
https://stefsap.wordpress.com/2015/11/1 ... ers-model/
When zooming in, some excellent detail is revealed.


As a coincidence, I'm also trying my hand at the old Frog/Novo battle kit -- and reducing it to 1:350 scale in my stride. That proved easier than I thought: just take out 24mm from the length amidhips, 6-7 mm either side from the keel, and trimming the top edges. Then fitting new decks, with beveled edges into the hull.

Have a look whether you like it! Some of the smaller parts appear to be closer to 1:350 than 1:325 in fact, like the turrets and lattice foremast. I will replace it eventually by WEM PE anyway. Now looking around for good 1:350 40mm Hazemeyer twin Bofors... any suggestions?
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Post Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:17 pm
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davepb wrote:
Further to my last post, I'm looking for drawings of QUINTUPLE 21-in. PR MARK III TORPEDO TUBES - 1944 as fitted to the '43 Battles. I know John Lambert produced drawings, but getting these now is apparently impossible. Does anyone know of a set that I can borrow, or have a spare scan?

Not the Mk III but the Mk II version as used on the J,K and N class. From Chris Langtree's book ' The Kelly's'
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Does this help?

Maarten
Post Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:25 pm
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Further to my last post, I'm looking for drawings of QUINTUPLE 21-in. PR MARK III TORPEDO TUBES - 1944 as fitted to the '43 Battles. I know John Lambert produced drawings, but getting these now is apparently impossible. Does anyone know of a set that I can borrow, or have a spare scan?
Post Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 7:02 am
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Just converting a Frog Battle into the original fit of HMS Matapan to go with my 1970's trials ship conversion. There are some very good photos of the builders model of HMS Alamein on this page:
https://stefsap.wordpress.com/2015/11/1 ... ers-model/

When zooming in, some excellent detail is revealed.
Post Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:41 am
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Hi, I'm trying to find some pictures of the main davits fitted to HMS Matapan after her refit for sonar trials. The accompanying picture clearly shows straight lower sections, with no knee to swing the boat out. Has anyone any pictures showing how they operated?
Cheers


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:49 pm
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Phil,

Thanks. That helps to validate the date as well. I have skeptical faith that the dates used on these 80-G photos are accurate.

Rick
Post Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:24 pm
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I`m sure the pic is of HMS Agincourt.I`ve just checked up in the "Battles" book by Patrick Boniface ,and the entry for her in Sept 1952 is as follows:

" Put into Trondheim to repair storm damage"

Regards Phil
Post Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:13 pm

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