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Topic review - Calling all USS Gato class (SS) fans
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all USS Gato class (SS) fans  Reply with quote
Interesting! Thanks! I was going by US figures from the early 2000's, and again, things are cheaper in China.
Still at $25-30K per mold, I don't think they will go back to correct the molds.
Post Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:46 pm
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Tom,

No disrespect intended, but there is 0% chance these molds are $100k unless they're building them in the US for some reason. A high end Chinese tool shop wouldn't charge more than $25-30k for the most complex kit that size.

I rarely approach six figures on significantly larger and more complex tools made over there.
Post Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:19 am
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Im just really disappointed in the afv hulls. They should have fixed that by now...


Polystyrene injection molds are very expensive (>$100,000), and once the tooling is done, there is little incentive too go back and fix it. As I have said so many times, I have lots of plans, drawings, photos, etc. of submarines that I would gladly make available to kit manufacturers for free. It continually amazes me that with all of the research materials available today we still get gross errors in kits. If you are making a new kit, why not take the time to get it right before the expensive molds are made?
Post Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:35 am
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They are on ebay quite alot though. Im just really disappointed in the afv hulls. They should have fixed that by now...
Post Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:15 am
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Well.... I want a good 1/350 Gato, one that doesn't have the shape issues of the AFV kit. How do the Toms Modelworks, Pitroad and Yankee Modelworks kits stack up against each other?


I have the YKM Gato and Balao fleet sub kits, which are quite good and the hull shapes accurate.. I also have the old YKM and Tom's ModelWorks Guppy kits. I am actually combining the YKN hull with the Tom's (superior) sails. One thing all three share is they are long OOP.
Post Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:58 pm
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Well.... I want a good 1/350 Gato, one that doesn't have the shape issues of the AFV kit. How do the Toms Modelworks, Pitroad and Yankee Modelworks kits stack up against each other?
Post Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:07 pm
  Post subject:  Calling all sumarine model builders!  Reply with quote
Greetings from Northern California!

I am a former USN submariner(TM3). I was an avid model builder as a boy ( 57 years ago), but have done nothing since. This year I made my dream come true. I replicated the submarine I served aboard as a remembrance of some of my most precious memories as a member of the armed services, bur more importantly, as a part of, "The Silent Service." I began in 2007 collecting parts to begin the assembly process. Not being very computer literate (yes, I know, I'm a dinosaur) I struggled to find people online to help me. The greatest help came from Mario Grima (ibs.eastcoastarmory.com). He was particularly excited because I was going to build a boat that had gone from the SS classification to SSK in 1953. When I reported aboard the Bashaw in 1966 (SubRon3), Point Loma, CA, she had just gone through a refit at Mare Island Naval Base (Vallejo, CA). After several modifications ( sail, bow, deck), and painting, I felt the model looked too static, so I went further and began replicating the Submarine Pier at Point Loma (in San Diego, CA). The pier is scratch-built from balsa wood and is considerably shorter than the original (at 900 feet!). I have submitted 18 jpg photos plus a history of my construction process and I look forward to seeing Tim post them when he has time. If this strikes a chord of interest in any of you, please do not hesitate to email me.

Smooth sailing,

Antonio Guerra
Post Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:57 pm
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Hi Tom ,

WOW !!! Thanks for the information ! Will definitely help with this build !


best regards
JOEY
Post Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:34 am
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Just recently picked up AFV Club's 1/350 GATO Class Sub 1943 and from what i've been able to find out , it
represents USS Dace SS-247 as in 1943 . What changes would need to be done to represent her at the time of the sinking
of the IJN Cruiser Maya in Oct 1944 ?


The kit represents Dace pretty much as built, with a semi-enclosed fairwater. By 1944, she had her conning tower fairwater cut down, an a 5/25 "wet" deck gun on the aft deck.
See these photos for details of the 1944 fairwater:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0824709.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0824710.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0824705.jpg and
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0824708.jpg
So, you would be looking at opening up the forward part of the fairwater, and also cutting out the sides. I think you might need to move some masts and antennas as well.

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Also would the paint scheme still be flat hull black lower hull & dark gray 2 uppers or something else ?
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It appears to be in the light gray Measure 32 in the photos. Lower hull black (not red), fairwater and sides light grey; blending into darker grey near the back of the hull turtleback. Black deck surfaces. Here's all the details: http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/SS/1944JulySSCamouflage.html
Post Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:54 pm
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Hi Guys ,

Just recently picked up AFV Club's 1/350 GATO Class Sub 1943 and from what i've been able to find out , it

represents USS Dace SS-247 as in 1943 . What changes would need to be done to represent her at the time of the sinking

of the IJN Cruiser Maya in Oct 1944 ?

Also would the paint scheme still be flat hull black lower hull & dark gray 2 uppers or something else ?

Thanks for any help with these questions !

regards
JOEY
Post Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:28 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all USS Gato class (SS) fans  Reply with quote
The Revell Gato is OOP. Occasionally they will come up on eBay. The last one I got was at a IPMS contest. I talked the guy down to $70.
Post Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:33 am
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Is the 1/72 Revell Gato oop? If so, what is it going for on ebay? Thanks.
Post Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:36 pm
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The Submarine Force Museum in Groton Connecticut has a nice, LARGE cut-a-way model (1/6th scale) of a Gato boat.


And I just took a very high resolution, detailed close up of each of the individual cut away compartments of said model. Probably 10 photos in all. I also have a very detailed drawing of a Gato cutaway (USS Flasher). I can't post them here due to the extremely limiting image size restrictions, but happy to email them out if you contact me.
Post Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:40 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all USS Gato class (SS) fans  Reply with quote
Thanks Jason,

That is the best cutaway I've seen. A perfect example to try and duplicate.

At the moment, feasibility seems to be beached on where to hang it. The model will be somewhat wider than I originally thought. Not exactly like sawing it down the middle. If only my wife had more of an appreciation for...Well... I have plenty of time to come up with something...and the Enterprise has a long way to go.

Paul
Post Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:43 pm
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pbudzik wrote:
Any recommendations on the best drawings for constructing the interior details for a Revell Gato Cutaway?

Thank you,
Paul


I've been tempted to do this for some time too! So far as I know, nobody's actually done one and put it online.

Here's some inspiration:

http://gohawaii.about.com/od/oahuphotos ... in_036.htm

It's a Balao, not a gato (it's at the USS Bowfin Museum, Pearl Harbor) but sure looks incredible!
Post Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:51 pm
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pbudzik wrote:
Any recommendations on the best drawings for constructing the interior details for a Revell Gato Cutaway?

Thank you,
Paul


The Submarine Force Museum in Groton Connecticut has a nice, LARGE cut-a-way model (1/6th scale) of a Gato boat.

I found this image with a quick google search to give you an idea of the detail:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27417638@N ... otostream/
Post Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:13 am
  Post subject:  Re: Calling all USS Gato class (SS) fans  Reply with quote
Thanks krgf15, I appreciate the help.

Paul
Post Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:12 pm
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I dont know if this helps, but http://usscubera.org/images/SubPlans.pdf is the best online blueprint style interior layout I have found. I dont know how different a GUPPY II layout was from a standard WW2 fleetboat, but it cant be that far off. AsI said, hope it helps..
Post Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:30 am
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pbudzik wrote:
Tracy White wrote:
You like easy builds, don't you? :big_grin:


:good_one:

I'm calling this sort of a feasibility study...

Paul

:rolf_3: :rolf_3:
Post Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:39 pm
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Tracy White wrote:
You like easy builds, don't you? :big_grin:


:good_one:

I'm calling this sort of a feasibility study...

Paul
Post Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:37 pm

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