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Topic review - Calling all Gato class (SS) fans
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gberger wrote:
Mr. M....

Did you really have to dredge up the past. I was just getting over my Pettycoat days............G


YouTube is useless unless you employ it to humiliate good friends!

(Nauticus next Saturday, you Bum!)

David
The Horrible
Post Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:54 pm
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Mr. M....

Did you really have to dredge up the past. I was just getting over my Pettycoat days............G
Post Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 5:22 pm
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I'm looking for some clearer photos/drawings/dimensions of the antenna masts mounted forward and aft of the sail, such as on Blackfish in 1942:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0822104.jpg

Just like most other exterior details on fleet subs, I've seen enough to know that they varied from boat to boat, so I'm specifically looking for data on Blackfish's arrangement.

Thanks!

Jonah
Post Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:34 pm
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A few points:
Silversides was a Mare Island built submarine. Boats built at Mare Island, Portsmouth and Cramp shipyard employed "government plans". The limber holes along the side were very different (rows of horizontal slots) from submarines using the Electric Boat plan set (EB and Manitowoc yards).
Government limber holes: http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0823204.jpg

The limber holes on EB plans were horizontal "D" shaped with the straight end at the bottom.
http://navsource.org/archives/08/218/0821721.jpg
In some cases, additional limber holes were later added to EB boats, most notable USS Gato herself:
original Gato limber holes: http://navsource.org/archives/08/218/0821248.jpg
and late war USS Gato: http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0821201.jpg

During the war, the conning tower fairwater configurations, armament (guns, large & small, and gun locations) and radar, radio antenna outifttings changed constantly. Original Gatos had large enclosed conning tower fairwaters which were gradually cut down to reduce the silhouettes, especially at night. Subs began the war all black (Ms 9) and then had gray, black & white camo (Ms 32) schemes. Different subs had different configurations at different time points. The later Balao and Tench classes had very different and much smaller and open fairwater configurations.

Here's an early Gato conning tower: http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0821501.jpg and also seen here: http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0821601.jpg
Here's a late war cut down Gato conning tower: http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0822415.jpg
Here's a Balao class conning tower: http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0828742.jpg and also here: http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0830507.jpg

The best advice is 1.) pick a submarine 2.) pick a time frame for said submarine, 3.) find a photo of the particular sub at a particular point in time. Pay attention to the conning tower and the armament configurations. There is no generic Gato submarine. Your mileage may vary....
Post Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:16 pm
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Now after readings all the materials provided and researching available photos, it seems to me that Cavalla can be build OOB from 1943 Gato and Tunny from 1942 kit.
Another sub that interests me is USS Silversides. Based on available NavSource photos, it seems that during the overhaul at Mare Island the ship's AA armament was one 40mm Bofors gun and one 20mm Oerlikon cannon on the fairwater, plus a single Oerlikon 20mm gun on the main deck, behind the fairwater. On the other hand, Silversides as preserved nowadays does not have the Oerlikon on deck. Is it possible that in a certain period during war Silversides was armed just like it is now as a museum ship?
Post Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:03 pm
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Wow, this seems to answer all my questions, thanks a lot!
Post Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:12 am
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Just about everything you need to know about WWII submarine configurations.
Is present here:

http://floatingdrydock.com/guide%201a.pdf
http://navsource.org/archives/08/pdf/0829293.pdf
http://floatingdrydock.com/guide%203.pdf
Post Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:36 pm
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Evening, guys!

I've recently become interested in USN subs history and got keen on building Gato-class kit. To be honest, I got lost in all the modifications and modernisations done on those vessels, so I want to make sure that I buy myself a correct kit. I will build either USS Barb, Cavalla, Cod, Flasher or Tunny.
Based on what I saw at navysource.org and read here, I guess 1943 AFV Gato is correct for all 5 subs, and 1942 is correct only for early Barb and Tunny. Am I right?

Cheers,
Filip
Post Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:27 pm
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Larry, thanks very much for the photos, they are incredibly useful and when I get on with my Revell Gato I will be referring to them regularly!
Post Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:06 pm
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Greetings folks, Back the first of the month, I drove over to Muskegon, Michigan to see the USS Silversides, a WWII Gato class submarine. As I toured the ship and the accompanying museum, I took a lot of photos showing up-close detail of a lot of the ship.

I finally finished sorting and adding descriptions to the photos. You can find them here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/steiners_pics/albums

There are 286 photos in the album. I have reduced them in size in order to put them on-line, but if any of you would like the originals (approx 5MB each) send me a PM and I'll get back to you.
Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:19 am
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Looking for any photos of Growler prior to her loss. Tried navsource, they only have the one shot from a distance. Especially looking for information on her gun armament; I have the Revell 1:72 kit and am wondering if it builds into an accurate 1944 Growler OOB?
Post Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:05 am
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Can the USS Wahoo be built out of the 1/144 Trump Gato?



No, not out of the box. Wahoo was a Mare Island boat, and built to plans prepared by the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard. Gato was built by Electric Boat to their plans. While identical in performance, there were many noticeable visible differences between Gatos putatively of the same class - limber hole patterns, steel versus wooden deck sections, bow hatch locations, bridge arrangements, torpedo tube shutters, just to name a few. You can actually tell the difference between Mare Island/Portsmouth Gatos and their Electric Boat/Manitowac sisters simply by giving them very cursory visible examinations.

Anyway, the short answer is no, you cannot build the Trumpy Gato into the Wahoo out of the box. The long is answer is that yes, you can, IF you put in tons of time and effort and elbow grease. It can be done. Just be sure to do your research and really nail down the differences between the two plans, some obvious, some very subtle, like the curve in the fairwater from fore to aft, and the "squareness" of the roundover. I realize I will sound like an anal rivet counter, but I get perturbed everytime I see a Trumpy or Revell Gato passed off as a Portsmouth-planned boat. The two are not the same. For aircraft modelers, it would be like modeling a late model F-4E as the F-4H1 prototype, or an Allison-engined A-36 as a late model P-51D, the boats from the different plans are that different visually.

Bob
Post Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:47 pm
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Tracy White wrote:
1944 kit is closer, but it looks like that kit has a different flood hole pattern than what I can see on her Navsource page. It looks to me like she had two 20MM AA guns aft one on the sail and one on the deck. The kit has a single 40mm on the sail and you would need to source two 20mm guns unless there was a change in guns not shown on her Navsource page. Might be other changes.


Thanks
Post Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:04 pm
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1944 kit is closer, but it looks like that kit has a different flood hole pattern than what I can see on her Navsource page. It looks to me like she had two 20MM AA guns aft one on the sail and one on the deck. The kit has a single 40mm on the sail and you would need to source two 20mm guns unless there was a change in guns not shown on her Navsource page. Might be other changes.
Post Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:56 pm
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Hi,
Can the USS Wahoo be built out of the 1/144 Trump Gato?
If so, which variant should I use?
Thanks
Post Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:46 pm
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Hello all. I'm starting a build of the Hobby Boss 1/700 Balao. I'm not too happy with the deck guns as supplied with the kit. Is anyone aware of aftermarket 4"/50 caliber guns and single 40mm guns? I think NIKO may have something for the 40mm, but I cannot seem to find anything for the 4"/50's. Strange, too, since they were extensively used on 4-piper destroyers as well.
Post Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:32 am
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Some 1/32 scale shots of a very nice pair of GATO's seen at 6:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpHAocO ... CS&index=2

David
Post Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:53 am
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aptivaboy wrote:
Having crawled all over Cod several times and looked for details like that, I can tell you that not a lot is visible unless you are right next to the seam between the outer hull and the casing, and then looking up and in.

These links may prove helpful, as there are some pics of Batfish having some maintenance done, and the underworks visible. I hope this helps! Back in the day, there was a huge spread of pics showing her redecking and the details underneath. It was just a couple or three years ago. Some searches will probably turn them up.

Bob

http://www.subcommittee.com/phpBB3/view ... &start=270

http://www.maritimequest.com/warship_di ... page_3.htm



I am building riich's 1/200 gato, and want to make sure what can be glimpsed through limber holes are broadly accurate.
Post Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 3:31 pm
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Also, Pampanito looking forward towards the forward hatch pillar.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisd2006/3507950633/
Post Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:26 am
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Having crawled all over Cod several times and looked for details like that, I can tell you that not a lot is visible unless you are right next to the seam between the outer hull and the casing, and then looking up and in.

These links may prove helpful, as there are some pics of Batfish having some maintenance done, and the underworks visible. I hope this helps! Back in the day, there was a huge spread of pics showing her redecking and the details underneath. It was just a couple or three years ago. Some searches will probably turn them up.

Bob

http://www.subcommittee.com/phpBB3/view ... &start=270

http://www.maritimequest.com/warship_di ... page_3.htm
Post Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:21 am

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