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Topic review - Calling all Balao SS-285 class SS fans
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USS Bowfin (SS-287) Lindberg,


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:59 pm
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41 Gato is definitely a better starting point.
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Post Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:11 pm
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Yeah, definitely still wrong, but easier to fix, wince I won't have to rescribe all the steel deck into planking. Judging from the overhead image of Barbero, her deck matches the Icefish layout on the plans you provided.
Post Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 2:08 pm
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I just PM'ed you. I have the Balao Deck plans reproduced as high resolution digital files.

Deck on the 1941 kit looks to be just as wrong as the later model. Postwar safety railing and wrong emergency marker buoy. Two of the hatches are wrong.
I would bet that both were based on the AFV master model makers looking at museum submarines, and being unaware of the postwar modifications made in the late 1940's, early 1950's. Contemporary WW II photos would have cleared that up for them. The Floating Dry-dock plan book for Gato & Baloa submarines also has the correct deck outfitting.
Post Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 8:39 am
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Ordered the 1941 AFV Gato. Much less deck fixing to do, and it looks like hull-wise all I should need to add besides the flood vents and exhausts will be the steps added above the limber holes.
Post Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 6:41 pm
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Beautiful.
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Post Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 2:33 pm
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That would be excellent. I'm actually working on 2 Barbero's. 1/350 and 1/72 rc.
Post Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 12:40 pm
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Barbero was an EB boat, and the AFV 1943 Gato hull is correct, except the deck. Looks like a whole rescribing job.


Wow, I don’t have the AFV Gato, so I looked at the kit online. You are correct, the deck has huge mistakes!! First, it is definitely a deck on a post war Gato/Balao, with safety harness railings and a different deck emergency buoy. The WWII Gatos did not have the safety rail. Also the hatch just aft of the sail should be: 1.) Just slightly off center, not as far as the deck edge, and 2.) it is a flush mounting that fits into the deck, not a hatch that sticks up above the deck. The deck cover over the hatch has a rectangle shape with a half circle at one end. All you see is that shape outlined on deck. The same flush mount for the hatch over the engine room. The only two deck hatches that stick above deck are the forward and aft torpedo room hatches, which are escape trunks.

I have the old Floating Drydock Gato and Balao plan book. Let me know if you want any of the deck drawings from it for your project.
Post Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 9:07 am
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Finally solved the last mystery for Barbero, the location of the deck gun. Found an overhead picture, and the 4" is forward.
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Post Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 2:36 pm
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maccrage wrote:
ModelMonkey wrote:
Links fixed, try her again, Tom.

And thanks!

I hope to have a Lionfish fairwater done soon. It has different features than that of USS Balao.

Just ordered the Lionfish fairwater for my AFV 1943 Gato.

Thanks so much!
Post Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 12:34 pm
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Barbero was an EB boat, and the AFV 1943 Gato hull is correct, except the deck. Looks like a whole rescribing job.
Post Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 1:50 pm
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ModelMonkey wrote:
Links fixed, try her again, Tom.

And thanks!

I hope to have a Lionfish fairwater done soon. It has different features than that of USS Balao.

Just ordered the Lionfish fairwater for my AFV 1943 Gato.
Post Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 3:33 pm
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Well, last night I realized that NavSource has war patrol reports online, and found my grandfather's reports for Barbero.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/175592244/SS-317-Barbero

This helps a lot, I thought she had a 5" deck gun, turns out it was a 4". And she was in "light gray camouflage", so 32/3SS-B should be correct.
Post Posted: Thu May 06, 2021 9:23 am
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Rhanks
Post Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 3:53 pm
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Interior pressure hull diameter is 16' 3/8".
They are not double hulled along their entire length; but along most of it. I have detailed X-sections of the fleet boat hulls.
Space between the pressure hull upper sides and exterior upper sides hull was used for diesel fuel storage, which was then displaced by water as the fuel was used. Ballast tanks were also in the space between the pressure hull and exterior, along the bottom of the boat. Negative "hard" tank was below the conning tower fairwater; used for crash dives and then usually blown partially empty after diving.
Post Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 1:34 pm
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Tom Dougherty wrote:
For Balao, at the maximum beam, 27', 4". The pressure hull plating thickness was somewhat greater than the Gato class, and made of a more resilient steel.



The pressure hull would be much smaller than the maximum beam. There are fuel and ballast tanks one both sides of the pressure at maximum beam. If I am not mistaken, gato and Baleos are double hulled throughout their entire length, with a cylindrical pressure hull completely encased in a hydrodynamic outter hull.
Post Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 12:18 pm
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For Balao, at the maximum beam, 27', 4". The pressure hull plating thickness was somewhat greater than the Gato class, and made of a more resilient steel.
Post Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 8:55 am
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Does anyone know the pressure hull diameter for Baleo?
Post Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 7:42 pm
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I been interested in the Balao I wanted to do it in solidworks and do one at 1/32 scale but the drawings I have with the tables of offsets are almost unreadable. would anyone happen to have a clean set of too for the Balao. I got my drawings off the museums website. This is my first attempt at doing a sub and so far i been screaming yelling and smashing things just to get the sub drawn up so I can start scratch building this winter
Post Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:06 am
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Thanks!! I will have to do some research on which boats the Balao tower will work on, but I want it!!!
Post Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:18 pm

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