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Topic review - Calling all Russian submarine fans
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ahoi,

I recently finished the construction of a 3d-model of the aft of K-461 in 1/72 for printing, because I want to build a diorama (28 x 20 x 8,5cm) which shows this scene (which is probably known):

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I also have nearly finished both of the figures. But I really don't know where this guy "at" water is standing on. Under the rudder You can see something like a minibouy(?). So may be he stands in a boat or at a minibuoy-raft? I don't think, that he stands on one of the big buoys, but those are russsians.
Does anybody of You has any idea?
And does someone hase pics of those big buoys?

Here the 3d-mpdel:

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cheers
Alex

PS: Beside I am working again at the decals for the Typhoon class (instructions sheets) and the emblems for vietnamese Kilos (Ria Vung Tau) for 1/350, 1/144, 1/72.
I think I will first release either Typhoon class or Kilo class. Most of the emblems and hull numbers of the russian subs are finished, but especially the new 636er are hard to draw.
Post Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:11 pm
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Yes, I did. I wrote with him… I have paid with Paypal and the money has arrived to B., as he wrote to me. Since many, many months I can get no answers. No e-mail returns back.

Greetings

animalstone
Post Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:59 pm
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So have you contacted Boris directly? I have found him to be very responsive. Was there a problem with the payment thru PayPal? Since you paid 500 Euros, were these two custom models in some way?

I hope you can get this straightened out to your satisfaction. He does a lot of business in the west and gets good ratings for his products and service.
Post Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:04 pm
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Dear Friends

Two years ago I ordered 2 subs ready built from Polar Bear models and payed ca. Euro 500.-. Until today I never got a

model.

Best regards

animalstone
Post Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:58 pm
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Holes aside, Boris' kits are very nicely detailed and as accurate as I would ever need.

I received his Golf II and Delta IV this month. Shipping was 13 days. They measure about Spot-On for length and Width. Impressive.


The Subs-n-Ships Delta IV is excellent.

Russian 667 BDRM Delta IV is listed as 167m long & 12m wide or 547.9' and 38.4' .
At 1/350 this would be 18.78" x 1.316".
Boris' Delta IV model is 18.75" long OA & 1.3" wide (Hull)

The seam on the Delta IV is between the upper and lower hull. There are minimal details in the vicinity of this seam so there is little that could be damaged by seam removal.


The Golf II is also very nice.

Still "Holey" (Mounting holes) but has the hull seam running down the center of the deck (between left and right sides) rather than between upper and lower hull so there is a very small seam on the deck. It will be a bit challenging to remove and not disturb the deck details. (Too bad we can't call it a Safety Rail)


Russian Golf II 629A Submarine is 98.4m long and 8.5m wide or 342.5'L & 28' W.
At 1/350 this would be 11.12" x .95".
Boris' Golf II model measures 11.1 " length, .9" width

One other issue is the mounting holes on this model have ridges that can be seen. These holes for mounting might require some sanding to remove the slightly raised bulge at the holes edge. Overall, the Golf II is the best Golf kit on the market. (There are no other Golf II's as kits... yet.)

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My thoughts.

Subs-N-Ships are Pricey but a worthwhile and satisfying purchase. He does combine shipping if you buy 2 or more.
It is a hard resin and is difficult for me to re-scribe. I hope a few more folks will add their experiences with these kits.
Overall, I am well satisfied! Thanks Boris!

Nino
Post Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 3:21 pm
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It does have those holes in the bottom. I found the perfect pegs to support the model on a baseboard; wooden candlesticks available in my local hobby shop doll house section or at Walmart. I am impressed with this kit, and I will order more from Boris.

Bill
Post Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:12 am
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Well, I received my Yankee I from Boris at Polar Bear models. It took just under two weeks from the date I ordered it to arrive. The model is exceptionally well molded and is very well detailed.


Yes, they are very detailed models and look to be spot on. Be aware that the resin is very hard if you need to remove any seam lines. Does yours have the giant mounting holes in the bottom?
Post Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:02 am
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Well, I received my Yankee I from Boris at Polar Bear models. It took just under two weeks from the date I ordered it to arrive. The model is exceptionally well molded and is very well detailed. I will order others!

Bill
Post Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:21 am
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Gentlemen,

Thanks for the input! I believe I will order their Yankee I this weekend.

Bill
Post Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:42 am
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I have their Hotel II and Golf II submarines. The resin is a dark brown, rather hard material. They provide a small plastic envelope with periscopes, propellers and other items, and a decal sheet. Overall, they appear to be very accurate from the drawings I have of both these classes. I recommend them.

There is a slight seam down the middle of the hull lengthwise that needs to be addressed carefully with sanding so as not to obliterate details. One thing that I don't like is two very large mounting holes (~ 5-6 mm in diameter) in the bottom of each model. The resin around the holes is a slightly raised, circular lip, giving them the appearance of a deep lunar crater. You really need to carefully sand and shape this raised feature down without distorting the complex lower hull shape. The holes are probably fine if you use large finials to mount the model, but I use slimmer brass rods. So I need to do a bit of extra work, whereas I would prefer to use my Dremel drill press to make much smaller holes in a solid resin bottom (no pre-drilled holes) for mounting my models.
Post Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:43 pm
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Guest wrote:
Hello, Gentlemen!

I have a question. Does anyone have any experience with Polar Bear resin Soviet and Russian submarine kits?

Thanks!

Bill Morrison


I have one, but not finished yet. A Victor I boat. It's nicely molded with metal parts and markings. Other people I know who've gotten them have been happy with them.
Post Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:53 am
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Hello, Gentlemen!

I have a question. Does anyone have any experience with Polar Bear resin Soviet and Russian submarine kits?

Thanks!

Bill Morrison
Post Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:30 am
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Tom,

I found the discussion here: http://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic25900/

The guy building the model obtained documents, one from 1954 and one from 1965, that list the paint colors on Soviet submarines. I think it's accurate as I've never seen a Soviet/Russian submarine with green paint under the waterline, except for the green of marine growth (or possibly paint oxidation) that your Alfa photos show.

Jacob
Post Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:07 am
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Apparently the below-waterline paints for Soviet submarines in 1954 were green and brown. By 1965, the paints were red, red-brown, and brown. Apparently the green paint was less effective for anti-fouling than the red and brown paints.


Reference for this?
Post Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:42 pm
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Apparently the below-waterline paints for Soviet submarines in 1954 were green and brown. By 1965, the paints were red, red-brown, and brown. Apparently the green paint was less effective for anti-fouling than the red and brown paints. The K-3, for example, likely had red below the waterline when she was launched. My best guess is that the green coloration on Russian-made models is an anachronism that stems from the coloration of WWII Soviet submarines.

Jacob
Post Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:25 am
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I always thought the green was weathering of the paint itself (which had copper in it), from immersion in salt water.

Like this: https://www.globalsecurity.org/jhtml/jframe.html#https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/images/705-image3.jpg|||
and this: https://www.globalsecurity.org/jhtml/jframe.html#https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/images/705-image2.jpg|||

At one point, the US employed a green primer layer:
http://boomer.user-services.com/drydock/990316-01-675.html

Black & red paint when over the primer. With wear, some of the primer would show.
Post Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:01 pm
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Ok, dumb question. While I believe some sources may show Russian World War II subs may painted green below the waterline, I have also seen some November and Hotel class submarine models also painted that way. It would look great if true, but am I correct in my assumption that they really should be either red or black?
Post Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:20 am
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Thanks, I have the Victor kit and that is a great suggestion. I also have a set of brass screws in 1/350 from Flagship Models which have a 5 bladed version as well. Just out of curiosity, I checked on Shapeways and there are some printed 4 blade propellers that might be able to be doubled up for the Komsomolets (Mike class); they have them in several sizes and are inexpensive (and have real 3-D character to boot). So we have choices with these kits.

Trying to mount the kit provided brass blades individually on the shaft just looks like a modeling frustration waiting to happen. You'd get 80% done, drop it and knock 3 blades loose. Or, you would be transporting it to an IPMS event and 2 of the blades would come off. Repairing it at that point would be on par with doing eye surgery...
Post Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:06 am
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Not sure if it would help, but the Hobby Boss 1/350 Victor III comes with the option for the two (assume contra-rotating) and the more common one. In addition both options come in either brass (at least not but jointed!) or plastic.
Post Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:08 pm
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What I did for the Mikromir Skate and Nautilus was to cut my own screws out of a thicker brass. With thicker brass you can actually curve and roughly contour each blade so they look a little more convincing than the flat and fragile screws that come with the kit. Seven-bladed skewback screws are basically impossible with this method, but for four and five non-skewback screws its relatively easy. You could cut out two four-bladed screws and put a little spacer in between to make the Mike's tandem screw.

Jacob
Post Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:20 pm

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