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Topic review - Calling all RMS Titanic, RMS Olympic and HMHS Britannic fans
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chuck wrote:
Is anyone interested in doing the trumpeter 1/200 kit as the Olympic instead of the Titanic?

I always thought Olympic was a better looking ship with even rectangular windows on the B deck, and uniform open sides for the promenade on A deck. Titanic and Olympic’s uneven windows on the B deck and half enclosed A deck looks too fussy.


Hi Chuck and everyone else;

I absolutely plan on doing this big model as Olympic, as much as I admire and appreciate Titanic and her tragic story, equally compelling to me is the great success RMS Olympic enjoyed over her career. So my plan is to indeed use the amazing Trumpeter 1/200 Titanic kit as a basis for conversion to Olympic, in her civilian dress, I just haven’t settled on what year to represent yet. Definitely post 1912, with the full complement of lifeboats, as that is the most visually distinguishing characteristic IMHO. My plan is to laser-cut new A- and B-deck walls from acrylic, which will help with the flush glazing, but I haven’t started drawing them out yet. Soon, though, for sure.

I’ve only just joined here, so may I add my appreciation to you all for your collective expertise and commitment to accuracy and detail, and above all for sharing your amazing work and knowledge. I look forward to taking part in these hearty discussions. Thanks very much;

James
Post Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:57 pm
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If it's Britannic as sunk I might even be willing to accept having an extra Titanic model again!
Post Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:15 am
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This is awesome news that Minicraft is FINALLY releasing their Olympic kit! Here's hoping Britannic will follow in the next couple years!
Post Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:31 am
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Dan K wrote:
I certainly understand the desire to adhere closely to accuracy. Yet, in this particular instance, it would seem to be self-defeating, no?


Well, a lot depends on "intent" for me, a lot of the enjoyment of a build and researching is learning about the ship. I had read tons on Titanic in the past, but this is giving me a new frame work to base studies on. Chuck's question is also of interest to me because I'd seen plenty of MODERN cruise ships, but how did an ocean liner look at night 110 years ago?

I'm less concerned with the problem of lights being to dim during the day because I plan on using a microcontroller (Arduino and maybe a Raspberry Pi with....) anyway and I can control brightness with it. I plan on having certain rooms turn on and off, but also having a "day mode" and a "night mode" for light brightness so that I can display it during the day and people can see the lights and perhaps benefit from having them on the promenade deck, etc., but then have it on in a room at night and have a display that isn't blinding....
Post Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 1:03 am
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Seeking photos or authoritative drawings of the tops of funnels # 1, 2 or 3, view downwards from above, into the funnel interior, showing interior structure and funnel top grills. Have photos of funnel 4.

Any help is hugely appreciated.

This is for a project to be offered in 1/350 and 1/400 scales. Here is one of four parts of that project, the design for funnel # 2 at 50% complete.


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Model Monkey 1-350 Titanic Funnel 2 at 50 percent a.png
Model Monkey 1-350 Titanic Funnel 2 at 50 percent a.png [ 192.18 KiB | Viewed 1981 times ]
Model Monkey 1-350 Titanic Funnel 2 at 50 percent b.png
Model Monkey 1-350 Titanic Funnel 2 at 50 percent b.png [ 310.82 KiB | Viewed 1981 times ]
Model Monkey 1-350 Titanic Funnel 2 at 50 percent c.png
Model Monkey 1-350 Titanic Funnel 2 at 50 percent c.png [ 419.1 KiB | Viewed 1981 times ]
Model Monkey 1-350 Titanic Funnel 2 at 50 percent d.png
Model Monkey 1-350 Titanic Funnel 2 at 50 percent d.png [ 273.2 KiB | Viewed 1981 times ]
Post Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 1:11 pm
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Dan K wrote:
I certainly understand the desire to adhere closely to accuracy. Yet, in this particular instance, it would seem to be self-defeating, no?



nonetheless, I am inclined to make it accurate so it looks good in a darkened room. just have to look at the unlit version if one wish to look it during daylight
Post Posted: Tue May 19, 2020 2:37 pm
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I certainly understand the desire to adhere closely to accuracy. Yet, in this particular instance, it would seem to be self-defeating, no?
Post Posted: Mon May 18, 2020 7:34 pm
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Another thing I am struggling to decide is whether to represent the lights in the titanic with scale appropriate brightness. Early 20th century lighting is not nearly as intense as we are accustomed to. Even well lit spaces For that era may be regarded as somewhat dimly lit by our standard. Certainly if you light the ship to appropriate brightness, you ought not to be able to even see the portholes as being lit if you look at in during daylight in a well lit room.

With scale appropriate brightness, the lighting on the ship ought to really only be clearly visible in a darkened room.

I am tore between making the ship look good at times when it is likely to be seen, and being accurate.
Post Posted: Mon May 18, 2020 5:15 pm
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I haven't fully decided yet. There's a part of me that wants to do a couple of different modes - one being "all lights" but what most appeals is something based on the above but with some that turn on and off somewhat randomly just for variety. I have yet to sit down and see how many different "circuits" I would need to do that effectively without having a bunch close enough together that they were seen changing at the same time. I figure 4-5 circuits at least with each one controlling one light with fiber optics to multiple sides.

But final determination is on hold until I learn more about the actual "full" lighting rig on the ship and how much work it's going to be to wire and fiber everything up. I was happy to discover earlier today that Titanic-CAD-Plans.com had answers for two of my questions in PDF format here and here (regarding the lights on the promenade decks and what they might actually look like).

Lots of really esoteric research left to do - surprisingly more involved than anticipated.
Post Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 12:24 am
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Are you going to keep some portholes dark,permanently?


I plan to use a set of slider DIP switches to control 8 LEDs. Each of these 8 LEDs will be fed into A different collection of portholes via fiber optic bundle attached to it. Buy turning on different combinations of these 8 LEDs, basically and unlimited pattern of which windows gets lit can be reproduced.
Post Posted: Sat May 16, 2020 11:43 pm
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Here's something I've been pecking away at for the last month - a map / plan of portholes and windows that would have been "active" at various times in order to potentially have a decent, accurate rendition of what Titanic looked like at the time of the collision as well as during her sinking.

I started with the deck plans available from Encyclopedia-Titanica.org for £5 and then their Cabin Allocations list. This contains very little for Third class so the lower decks are certainly inaccurate/under represented, but it does also show that significant portions of the upper deck levels would not have had lit up windows or portholes after the sun went down.

Next step is to add to this with the large rooms (dining, smoking, etc.) that would have created large blocks of lit or dark portholes as well as one-off hallways and other random items.


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File comment: Known Stateroom lights
Known Stateroom Lights.jpg
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Post Posted: Sat May 16, 2020 7:53 pm
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I suspect most people who buys an 1/350 Olympic intends to build the dazzle camo troop transport version. Olympic the liner was just not that well known compared to Normandie, Queen Mary, or Titanic.

AFAIK the only change from Olympic the liner to Olympic the troop transport with dazzle camo is the addition of several 6” guns. But Olympic the liner in 1914 had full row of life boats along her boat deck, unlike her comfiguration in 1911-12. What is more, the New boats added in the middle between the forward And rear groupS of Original boats she carried before sinking of titanic were shorter and smaller than the oriGinal lifeboats she still carried. Also new electric winches were added to work the lifeboats davits.

The most obvious difference between titanic 1912 and Olympic 1911 is promenade deck on the Olympic was open along its whole length, but closed off in the front 40% on the titanic, Academy seems to have captured that. But the arrangement of open rear portion and side windows on the B deck is totally different. Titanic had cabins And small private Enclosed promenades behind these windows, the Olympic had wide enclosed Full length promenade. Also the shape of the bridge and deck houses on the boat deck are different. Wonder if academy captured that.
Post Posted: Sat May 16, 2020 10:33 am
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If they'd done WWI Dazzle I would have thought about it.
Post Posted: Sat May 16, 2020 2:59 am
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1913 guise would have required more changes from the original titanic molds.
Post Posted: Sat May 16, 2020 1:50 am
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Nice catch, Dan - someone had noted earlier Minicraft removed the Olympic from their website that I had linked to in the Upcoming Releases thread, and I was about to delete the entry. Glad I didn't, and that the project is moving forward (albeit for a 1911 guise instead of the original 1913).
Post Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 9:21 pm
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New 1/350 Olympic kit announced by Minicraft: https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10696989
Post Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 4:14 pm
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After looking through the model, I am impressed and disappointed at the same time.

Impressed; TRUMPETER has clearly gone farther than they did with previous 1/200 offerings to create an accurate model of the Titanic. It is more accurate than the hood, and far more accurate than the Missouri or Arizona. It is probably the most accurate titanic model on the market by some margin.

Disappointed: on 1/200 scale, there should be a lot of room to avoid the clunky overly thick parts that were imposed by limitations of molding technology and strength of plastic. Trumpeter really didn’t take advantage of that. The bulwarks and stanchions around the promenade decks really could have been made far more accurate in scale thickness, and that would have brought far more life and realism to the model. But as it is, these bulwarks are molded with a thickness that would scale out to 12-14 inches. It looks as if titanic wan’t a ocean liner but a ship with a ironclad’s carapace.
Post Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 4:24 pm
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Seeing as I had two of the 350th Models I'm planning on doing one each as Titanic's sisters to go with the 200th Titanic. Olympic in Dazzle and Britannic as a hospital ship.
Post Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 4:28 pm
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Is anyone interested in doing the trumpeter 1/200 kit as the Olympic instead of the Titanic?

I always thought Olympic was a better looking ship with even rectangular windows on the B deck, and uniform open sides for the promenade on A deck. Titanic and Olympic’s uneven windows on the B deck and half enclosed A deck looks too fussy.

I also dislike the over thick bulwarks trumpeter provides for the A deck, and the walls around large windows on the bridge, and on the B deck, which should show glass transparencies almost flush with the side walls at this scale, So I intend to scratch built these to improve apparence.

The portholes trumpeter provided for the hull sides seems mostly too small. The thickness of the hull side makes it a challenge to use hand held cordless hobby drills because the plastic is too thick to dissipate heat to the plastic melts and causes the drill bit to seize inside the hole.
Post Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 1:59 pm
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It's not in the instructions!
Post Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:40 pm

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