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Topic review - Calling all IJN Kawasaki type oiler fans!
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all IJN Kawasaki type oiler fans!  Reply with quote
You mean the winches with two reels?
On my Koza Mari model the is the drive parallel to the the reel.
I have to modify my model anyway. So perhaps I should go this way.

Greetings Christian


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Post Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:20 pm
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Those hawser reels are good for shiphandling ropes, but not really for the cargo booms and winches. Something similar to what's already molded on is more appropriate, IMHO.

Btw, it is appropriate to post Hayasui here, as she utilized the 1TL type hull, which is really a repeat Kawasaki type hull with some tweaks.
Post Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:22 am
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Thanks Dan for your input.
I think I will use your fenders as a guide.
And with looking at the pics, I will also replace the winches. I made for this a 3D model. Could be enough for 2 or three model :big_grin: .

Regarding the build here, I'm a little afraid that I start a build and then never will finish it.
But lets see how it will turn out.

Greetings Christian


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Post Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:18 pm
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Christian, I've seen some shots of your Hayasui build on a FB page; I sure wish you would post it here. I have this same kit and would love the inspiration.

To your question, those are Aoshima's attempt to depicting the fenders, just stored on deck. Truthfully, I am unfamiliar with this type fender. I've never seem an example as those are molded. Aoshima appears to have patterned them directly from the what's on the deck plan for Hayasui.

Personally, I would remove them and use a more typical fender.
Post Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:08 pm
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Not a Kawasaki Oiler, but at least another Oiler.
I'm building Aoshimas Hayasui and what are these encirceld parts?

Greetings Christian


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:56 am
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I see that the tanker is a lighter tone above the 01 level in the bottom photo. Although it's pure speculation, do you think that would extend to the forward superstructure?


It's really hard to say. I suppose it's possible. There's just not enough wartime photos of various sisters to be sure of anything. Below is an enlargement of a view of the same tanker taken around the same time.

Camo did not start to appear until mid 1944.


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Post Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 4:01 pm
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Dan K wrote:
The photos below were taken from DD Ushio at Truk in mid 1943.


I see that the tanker is a lighter tone above the 01 level in the bottom photo. Although it's pure speculation, do you think that would extend to the forward superstructure? When did greens start to appear?

Great collection of photos in these threads.
Post Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 11:57 am
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Thanks!
Post Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:32 am
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I think the superstructure has to go in first.

Yes, there is 1.5-2mm extra material at either end, so adjustments are possible.

Well, I am a little burned out on these but, as you can see, I've started puttering again on Shinkoku Maru for now. I don't think Rich missed anything of consequence. He made a couple of smart decisions upfront about what he wanted to see in the set, parameters were set, then he/we set about fitting as much as possible into the three frets. When a sixth bridge face option turned out to be superfluous, that opened up the space for the fender bases, which I thought a very inspired choice on Rich's part. (You won't find those anywhere else.) Also using thicker brass for the bridge faces makes a very big difference in term of handling, construction, etc.

Some minor things didn't make it, like a canopy framework that goes above the engine skylights in front of the funnel. Also a large intake grill at the back of the "deck house" in front of those skylights, though one would have to scratch-build a frame for that. However, these are very minor tweaks. The idea was to work with the kit as is as much as possible. There are some recommendations within the instructions about how to improve upon some of the kit parts if the modeler wants to make the best use of the PE parts. For instance, increasing the size of the kingposts.

The set design and execution by Third Floor Annex was also very impressive.
Post Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:47 am
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Looks like a vast improvement, Dan. How difficult do you think it will be to mate the forward catwalk with this assembly? Would it be easier to install the forward catwalk and then install the forward superstructure assembly? Were the catwalks designed with extra material on the ends to make adjustments to the lengths of the catwalk runs easier?

I hope you're not sick of these tankers yet. Your input will really make a difference on this fret. Do you think anything was missed?
Post Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:43 am
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Rich Harden is tweaking a couple of things, but the set has been placed up on the Tom's website.

I spent a little less than two hours yesterday assembling one of the new PE bridges for kicks. I used one of the 16C faces. I can't believe how nice it came out, or what an improvement it is over the kit.

The engineering is fantastic. Using 0.005" brass for the bridge faces was a very smart decision. My only error is that I left too much of a dip in the deck for the compass bridge deck roof. If I had been in less of a hurry, it would have worked out better. Still it can be disguised with the railing that needs to be put in place. I recommend taking your time and conducting several test fitting before gluing the various PE decks in place.

I temporarily placed it on my Shinkoku Maru for demo purposes. I made one tweak in the kit part not covered in the instructions, as exemplified in Photo A, removing some plastic to allow another set of the windows on the bridge face to open up. Nor did I remove a piece of the ship's side as recommended by the instructions (see Photo H) which would allow installation of a piece that includes support posts for a bridg edeck. DOing so would also open up more of the side windows in the PE part.


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:44 am
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WOW !
great Information :-)

Thx Dan :thumbs_up_1:
Post Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:43 am
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First look at the new PE, with two quick component build-ups from Rich. It's an impressive set. Instructions not yet completed.


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:26 pm
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I've enjoyed the project.

Conversely, I actually like having the pulleys available, though they were a surprise to me as well. I hate trying to make them up on my own.

It's true that we may have missed filling a gap on having some fenders, or at least, bases for them. Still, these would be tough to pull off in 1/700 brass, IMHO.
Post Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:52 pm
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Dan K wrote:
Rich did manage to have the booms slightly tapered. As to the fender frames, I think the frets ran out of room. To be honest, we didn't spend much time discussing those. Not sure why; those probably got lost in the shuffle of all the other details. Perhaps we should have.


I think I would have ditched the pulleys with rigging in favor of other things. I find the attachment points in the middle of the rigging are hard to clean up and always end up bent out of shape. I'd rather use tipped line and slices of plastic rod. It still looks better than anything I've seen, or more importantly, better than what I could do.

Thanks for once again being a catalyst for getting these things rolling.
Post Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:12 pm
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That is one nice looking set! :cool_2:




Bob Pink. :wave_1:
Post Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:19 pm
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Rich did manage to have the booms slightly tapered. As to the fender frames, I think the frets ran out of room. To be honest, we didn't spend much time discussing those. Not sure why; those probably got lost in the shuffle of all the other details. Perhaps we should have.


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Post Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:10 pm
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Looks like a great set to get. Were you too late with the suggestion for tapered booms in three sections? Was there no room for fender frames? Even without those items, this should help with a lot of the kit's shortcomings and may actually get my kit off the 'Shelf of Doom.'
Post Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:26 am
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Sweet! Can't wait to see them in person.
Post Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:48 pm
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Tom's Modelworks is preparing to release a new, dedicated photo etch set for the Fujimi kits of this class. Rich Harden's been working on this for about a year; he really has a shine for this project. I've been giving him as much input as I can. (And, I have no other affiliation with Tom's.)

As nice as it is to have this class in kit form, it has to be said that these kits are not among Fujimi's best efforts. The PE fret that comes with the kit has its own shortcomings as well. The idea behind this new set has been to improve, and correct, the most obvious of the kit's flaws, and to give the modeler the opportunity to add much more (accurate) detail if they want. I believe that class fans should be very happy with the new PE.

It also occurs to me that an astute modeler may be able to adapt some features of the set to other Japanese merchants as well.

Rich can correct me, but I believe the set has just been sent off to be etched. The results will have to be reviewed, the instructions are still being written, and no price has yet been set. I'm not sure when it will officially be ready, but I do believe that Rich wants it done in time for this year's NATS.


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