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Topic review - Carrier Builders Yard, whats on the Slipway
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Good progress!

Mike Bartel
Post Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:01 pm
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Some progress on HMS Glory.
I have toned down the difference between the deck panels somewhat by drybrushing a lightened version of the base color over it and I have hand painted the typical diagonal stripes on the forward lift. Glory seems to have been the only ship in the class with two of those stripes rather than one. Also note that I have sanded away one of the arresting cables. It will return later in the build. I also added the free take off numbers to the flight deck. On my HMS Victorious I painstakingsly assembled these numbers from a decal set (which took hours) only to find out they were hardly visible after weathering the deck so this time they are simply drybrushed on in white paint. After sealing the deck in vallejo matt varnish I have attached the pre-painted sponsons to the hull. The parts fit is really nice, I did not have to use any glue on them.
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Post Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:43 am
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Hey bunker,
i don't know what you are trying to do exactly and I am certainly no expert on Kriegsmarine 'might-have-beens' but I am certain that even hypothetical ships would be subject to the same laws of physics.
That means you would never see weathering on the scale seen here on a ship and that a model of ship seen at a distance of 300 ish meters (which is the scale distance of your camera) would not have hard contrasting colors like that. Even my heavily used HMS Glory will look relatively clean once she is finished. Note that I lightened Mike Bartels' painting suggestions for exactly that reason. Try repainting your color scheme with some white added to the colors and never use black but use a dark grey.
Post Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:34 am
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I want to finish this :
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But I don't like what I did with the rear and I think I'm going to scrap some part (it' suppose to be a flugzeugträger C interretation by the way,at first I was going to make him as a hybrid with 6 203mm but I did it badly so I changed for a flugzeugträger C base on those original document)
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(I wonde rwhat those number correspond ,the total is identical for the for aircraft carrier)
Post Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:44 am
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The yard has been smelling of paint lateley. Glory now has its decals on. As some of my old L'Arsenal decals broke apart when applying them you are looking at a combination of IHP, L'Arsenal and Aoshima decals.
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Typical of Korean War era British carriers flight decks is the way they weathered. It looks like a combinations of multiple slightly different colored panels. The effect is most unlike the weathered stained wood of US carriers of the period.
In order to 'get' this effect I started with masking off panels on the deck while looking a pictures in order to get the pattern right.
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These panels were brush painted in tamiya neutral grey with some drops of white added to it.
After the masks were removed it looks like this.
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After this was dry I started adding black washes and painting the barriers and cables. Using thin white paint I re-painted some of the deck markings as this seems to have been happening on the real ship all the time.
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This is far from finished, I hope to do more weathering and repainting over the weekend.
Post Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:42 am
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Last post of the year...
The hull is getting its next layer of gloss varnish to seal in the decals so it is time to look at the airgroup. As luck would have it I have some 8 Fujimi clear Seafuries lying around. I like clear aircraft so combined with L'Arsenal PE from kit they now look like this:
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There are no clear Fireflies around so I am stuck with the resin version. L'Arsenal only gives you 5 in the kit and as I managed to destroy some already while trying to figure out a reasonable way to fold the wing I have ordered 10 more of them. This is the prototype:
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And this is how the airgroup looks now.
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I have put some maskol on the clear canopies and they are currently being primed in black primer. They will be thoroughly dry next year.
So from the Amsterdam branch of the carrier builders' yard: Happy New Year and stay safe tonight!
Post Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:51 pm
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Pieter wrote:
Hey Mike,
you do not seem to be taking pms so pm me an email adress and a specific question and I will see what I can do.

Mike@IHP wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing some of those photos and drawings of the 1950s ships myself, especially if future 1950s fits are to be considered. Can Mike start getting a little consideration?

Mike Bartel


Sure, ihphobby@hotmail.com
Post Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:06 pm
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Hey Mike,
you do not seem to be taking pms so pm me an email adress and a specific question and I will see what I can do.

Mike@IHP wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing some of those photos and drawings of the 1950s ships myself, especially if future 1950s fits are to be considered. Can Mike start getting a little consideration?

Mike Bartel
Post Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:07 pm
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Thanks. Feel free to post your progress.
Post Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:04 pm
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Glad to see that this thread is still alive. Nice build coming along :thumbs_up_1:
Post Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:27 pm
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I wouldn't mind seeing some of those photos and drawings of the 1950s ships myself, especially if future 1950s fits are to be considered. Can Mike start getting a little consideration?

Mike Bartel
Post Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:10 pm
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Just found it. It is a really useful photograph, thank you. In other news: 10 year old decals can fall apart. Sigh.

Roger Torgeson wrote:
Pieter, Did the photograph of HMS Glory make it to you?
Post Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:32 am
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Pieter, Did the photograph of HMS Glory make it to you?
Post Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:26 pm
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Some progress. I noticed that the flight deck on Korean was Colossus class carriers was much lighter than the other decks and that these flight decks were incredibly dirty. There is some nice color footage on youtube that can illustrate what I mean. I think they started out from the dockyards in the color scheme Mike gives us and they quickly bleached out. Note that the deck markings were carefully maintained, unlike the rest of the flight deck. So as a start I have painted the flight deck in tamiya XF-53.
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The hull is has now been spray painted in gloss varnish so the decals can be put on. I will be painting, decalling and weathering the flight deck before I add any sponsons or any other detail to the hull. This will keep the carpet monster away as long as possible. I have also picked out the windows on the island by drybrushing. Will need some tweaking later but it is getting there.
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And now the fun part for the day. The youtube videos of HMS Glory mentioned earlier show some really nice footage of small streamlined deck tractors re-spotting airplanes. While I will not be doing that specific scene the deck does need some tractors. Some internet research came up with 'Clarkat B's with broadened wheel bases'. L'Arsenal gives you some tractors which are the right size (2.5mm in length) but not streamlined at all. So I decided to scratchbuild a few. I first sanded a strip of evergreen 8610 into a half-oval shape.
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Using a small file I opened the 'driver seat'.
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The tractor was removed from the strip using a micro saw.
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And back wheels were added using.5mm brass. The front wheels are hidden under the front of the tractor.
So these are my prototypes. I think the right one came out best. I will be doing more of these.
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Post Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:45 am
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Pieter, I have those same drawings plus a pile of others before site went down besides from another site.
Post Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:18 am
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We have the enclosed bridge and the 277q radar parts done already; in fact I have a ton of each part here after manually cutting them off the sprues since they weren’t needed in this kit. We intended to do enclosed bridge versions later, this is why they were done. So we are part of the way there even though the plan was only to do as-built ships. Looks like we aren’t far off.

Mike Bartel
Post Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:30 am
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This is interesting. For Colossus class carriers I am always using the big .tiff files of Colossus (Arromanches) from the old french navy website as they are scans of the drawings the french received when they took over the ship. They were still english language drawings without corrections in french. ARROMAN1943PL235 shows the boats with bows forward.
Other differences...sapguy has already done the new bridge as a 3D print. Glory had a type 293Q 'cheese' antenna on one of her forward mast platforms and a type 277Q rather than a type 277P on the upper bridge. I will be using radars from my stash but it would be nice if a type 277Q and type 293Q would be offered in the new PE set. All other radars and all of the weapons unchanged. HMS Glory seems to have carried a jig on the starboard aft platform at flight deck level during her deployments to Korea. Also the platform at the back of the flight deck was carried around to the sides and boxed in.
Post Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:10 pm
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Pieter wrote:
Umm, Mike, Bandai usually does not put the ships' boats in reverse in the instructions. You are probably doing it in order to make sure that the modeler is paying attention and is not blindly following the instructions -:)


That's the direction my drawings showed! So it's technically correct. But you can arrange them how you prefer, or according to the year you're modeling. And I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on 1950s/Korean War fits of these ships and what we'd have to do to configure the kit for them.

Mike Bartel
Post Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:51 pm
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Umm, Mike, Bandai usually does not put the ships' boats in reverse in the instructions. You are probably doing it in order to make sure that the modeler is paying attention and is not blindly following the instructions -:)
Anyway, I have placed the boats in the right direction and I have blanked off some of the holes in the hull. I did leave out starboard side jig as this would usually be 'out' and ready to be launched during flying operations.
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The island has its first paint on.
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And I have started to work out how to build this in 1/700.
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Post Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:10 pm
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Conclusion after about three days' work: very nice kit. Accurate according to my drawings of Colossus and Venerable. In terms of buildability it is closer to Bandai than to Flyhawk. I like that.
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Pieter, I'm pleased to see that someone identified that! Bandai currently makes the best plastic model kits in the world, and they were influential in my design of the Colossus kit's engineering. As a modeler myself and a builder of many kits over the years, I knew what I wanted and didn't want in my kit; precision engineering and an easy build were two things borrowed from Bandai, and I guess it shows!

Mike Bartel
Post Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:31 pm

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