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Topic review - The "others"..USN/1944..1/350...AH-10 - Samaritan
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  Post subject:  Re: The "others"..USN/1944..1/350...AH-10 - Samaritan  Reply with quote

Nicely done kingposts. Another neat technique to remember.

The crosses and stripes look quite good. I never would have arrived at your solution.

Best Regards,

Post Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:53 am
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With a scratchbuild there are a few parts or assemblies for which the way to make it begins as an absolute mystery. The masts for the Samaritan definitely belong to this category. I probably spent five times the hours thinking about how to make it vs actual "doing".

The problem was that the masts spring up from the middle of a flimsy bridge between two king posts. How to make it light and strong and absolutely vertical?

The problem started to resolve when I decided to split it into two parts. It was easy to make the king posts strong, vertical and I made and attached them early.

Then the bridge could be strong if there was a channel shaped reinforcement located at the two ends (the channel was made from scrap rectangular tubing).

The mast (a sewing needle) would be vertical if the bottom flange location was fixed and the top flange was adjusted during assembly.

So the bottom flange rested on tape, with a .030" hole right in the middle (and a relief hole below). The channels were glued (I used a tiny spot of "Aleen's Memory Glue" which is absolutely tacky and a wonderful "holder" prior to ACC). A spot of Memory Glue on top of the two channels, the top flange (with the mast inserted in a .040" mast diameter hole at the approximate middle)was then lowered into position. The assembly was adjusted to be vertical and then super glued. Pic 1

Pic 2 The mast/bridge assembly dropped over the king posts solidly and Pic 3 vertically.

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Post Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:45 pm
  Post subject:  Re: The "others"..USN/1944..1/350...AH-10 - Samaritan  Reply with quote

Just slow making parts.
My supply of bollards made on page 6 ran out.
Scratched 12 lifeboats ...TWICE!!! Used .015" plastic from milk bottles the first time, and discovered that Code 2 plastic (high density polyethylene) DOES NOT HOLD PAINT!!! Wasted one day of work and then two days to get over my mad. Am happy with the green stripe, knowing that masking was NOT an option painted a 4" X 4" piece of paper (.004" thick) on one side, sliced .030" wide strips with an exacto blade and ended up with a .005" thick poor mans decal. Attached with lots of white glue. The thickness is not apparent, the glue disappeared and I had no problem lining up both sides at the bow/stern.
Life boat davits are done...You get the idea...plugging out parts.

Weathering, thanks for the compliment, my favorites are:
1 Colored pencils, usually worked over with a wet Q-Tip.
2 Dilute acrylic paint wash applied after matte coat, usually with a Q-Tip (water based for better control and ease of repair).
3 White to black graded pastel chalks and colored chalks. My favorite pastel experience was the first time I tried them. Used a light grey (to represent salt streaking ) on an otherwise "clean" model of the Essex Class carrier Yorktown in dazzle (lots of hull sides). Had a fantastic result for a first try, was really happy. Then sprayed my usual matte finish to "seal" the job. The salt effect disappeared, I learned that chalks have to be applied LAST!! Did the salt again (liked it again), then took pictures and discovered that the camera does NOT see pastel as well as the human eye.
Post Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:06 pm
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I really wasn't conscience of weathering on your models which implies there isn't any or that it is quite well done. Took a few moments to review this thread and discovered, not really to my surprise, that it is quite well done. You certainly don't require any suggestions from me.

How's USS Samaritan going? I find some detail work intriguing, but repetitive details annoying. I think it's my advancing years! Hope everything is going well and look forward to seeing more.


Post Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:50 pm
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I was going to suggest decals but it appears you cleaned it up very well. Someone once said something to the effect that it isn't adversity that sets one apart but rather the ability to recover.

With the superstructure in place, she's really taking shape. Looks very good. Love these USSB designs.

The weathering will certainly be a challenge. Very easy to overdue on a white surface. Have you ever used pastel chalks? They are my preferred method for HO scale railroad cars and seem, to me, to work well on light colors. Also have the advantage of being able to wash off mistakes.

Looking forward to seeing more,

Post Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:05 pm
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Mac, did not have trouble with white over almond or black over white. I "thunk" the green and red are just thinner and capillary like crazy into any tape seam. I have the pilot house roof and the stack to see if I can deal with it better.

The ship itself loosely assembled. On to the easy, lift, masts, and 101 other misc items. The last item will be weathering, which is probably going to be a make or break proposition.

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:45 pm
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I don't remember sending you my "How to Paint" instructions. Strange.

Defective tape, nothing more, nothing less. But no, they went around spreading rumors ...

Very best regards,

Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:44 pm
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Pic 1 Bondo and sanded

Pic 2 Primed

Pic 3 The last coat of five colors (almond > wood deck,white > hull, black > boot-topping, green > stripe and red > cross).

Pic 4 A ship crying "FIX ME", the green and red BLED! Should be able to cope.

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Post Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:03 pm
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Hi Jim:

I always enjoy reading your build logs and your topics. Years ago I worked with a guy who had served on the Appling. It's neat to see a picture of the ship and your excellent model of the ship.
Thanks for your work and sharing your work.
Post Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:09 pm
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Your hull looks outstanding, Jim! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

Bob Pink. :wave_1:
Post Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:37 pm
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Hull 98%+ shaped. Need to add eight 45 degree gussets from the 3 islands to the main deck and the bow bulwarks (vertical!), then it is Bondo and sand.

The stern took 45 minutes to get here from the previous post while the bow took "forever" using primarily coarse sandpaper wrapped around a piece of 1/2" brass tubing (75% of the bow material was removed with the small drum sander in 5 minutes, but it does not pay to get too close to finished size).

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Post Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:18 pm
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Hello Jim
as for Bob, your work is a reference for me :woo_hoo: I'm looking forward to implement your method! thank you so much for sharing :thumbs_up_1:
Post Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 2:25 am
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She looks really good, Jim!

Bob Pink. :wave_1:
Post Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:48 pm
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The hull now looks more "hullish", I can finally distinguish the bow from the stern. Pic's 1 & 2 show the hull after removal of the corners with a scroll saw and going as far as I can/risk with the disc sander.

The next step is to round off the stern contours with the hand held orbital sander (easy & fun), hollow out the bow contours with the slow speed drum sander AND plenty of hand sanding (not easy but rewarding when the "got it" moment happens). The midships hull sides will be finished using the wood block as a vertical guide, the midships superstructure pile will be pinned to the hull and sanded to final width with the same set up.

The last picture shows where I am right now, the stack comes from a 1/570 Titanic (parted out for the Heywood on page 4 of this post).

"Fun" things to look forward to include the bridge face and masts (slender poles popping up from a flimsy bridge between two king-posts).

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Post Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:52 pm
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Welcome back Jim,

Enjoy the looks of the USSB First World War designs and always a pleasure to watch your work. Must have cooled off a bit in Arizona.

Best Regards,

Post Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 9:44 pm
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Back at it!!

Researching the Maritime Commission's Liberty and Victory ships made me aware of a similar ship building effort that occurred during WWI, the "Hog Island" ships. Hog Island is a real place, located just outside Philadelphia PA and was the site of a shipyard set up by an entity of the US Government, the United States Shipping Board.

The intent of this yard was to reduce the shipping shortage caused by WWI. The yard produced two types, the Type A (1022) freighter and the Type B (1024) transport.

As happened with it's other major shipbuilding effort (the flush deck DD's), the USA's effort was more than a day late with 110 A's and 24 B's completed between 1918 and 1921.

These ships were designed for ease of fabrication and as a result had no sheer with vertical stems for both and a vertical stern for the transport. The ships were considered aesthetic failures but were functionally well regarded.

I wondered if any of these ships served the USN during WWII. It turns out that some freighters composed the Capella Class freighters (AK-13, 15, 16, 17) and two transports, Argonne AS-10 and Samaritan AH-10 served as well.

I chose to build the Samaritan AH-10, the collection needed a Hospital Ship and "white" will no doubt provide some challenges.

Samaritan was 10,700 tons, 448" LOA, 58" beam, 6,000 HP turbine which gave 15 knots.

Pic 1 to 3 shows a 1944, 1945 and 1946 fit of this ship. I will do the 1944 fit (as always) and will aim for a good deal of "grunge" befitting a 20+ year old riveted hull. Pic 4 shows the plans (first time in color) and the start of the hull.

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Post Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:55 pm
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1/192 plans of C2-S-B1 USS Marquette AKA 95 can be purchased from The Floating Drydock. They are in the "G" series and are copies of USN "Booklet of General Plans". There are no hull lines but there are a few longitudinal sections and below main deck "deck plans". You can get a fairly accurate hull with this information.
Post Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:31 pm
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Wow. I am currently with a book-length history of a C2-S-B1 build by Federal ship in 1942 and operated by Grace Line. I was really taken by this work on the C2's.

Where did you find the deck plans with which you worked?
Post Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:28 pm
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Hello Jim:

I have just read all the pages of your builds. I am in awe of your talent and output. I am interested in these ships as my dad served on the USS Marvin H. MacIntyre, APA 129. On the magazine cover of Cal Shipyards, it looks like you can see the hull number down the row of bows. I have built the Revell Attack Transport, Montrose and Randall several times, but now would like to do something on a more detailed level. Your work is inspiring and motivational.
Thanks for sharing your work and your talents.

Best wishes
Post Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:51 am
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Awesome builds Jim. Kevin
Post Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:57 am

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