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Topic review - To HMS Victory and beyond
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Or how a model can help us better understand real life! :big_grin: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
The extremely limited height between decks is so easy to forget. Period illustrations don't help either, because they often exaggerate it too, and not even a little bit.

I was thinking: would there be space to move the guns further aft, completely out of the way of the capstan crew? Maybe that would be a bit more work (but not too much maybe, as they did have wheels? :big_grin: ), but it would provide a bit more space for work and circulation.

dafi wrote:
https://www.britishpathe.com/video/jill-afloat

Oh, the diorama possibilities in that video! :big_grin: :big_grin: :big_grin:
Post Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:53 am
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Thank you Sirs :-)

Once you take a look at the whole thing manned, you immediately see how tight it is inside and out.

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Seen from above, it's clear that even the diving away under the swifter and running back that some people assume will be somewhat difficult here, and could quickly throw the others out of rhythm. If, while the bars are being inserted, the rest of the crew is heaving the guns over, a smooth work flow is guaranteed while turning. I'm not talking about work safety here but of a smooth rotating flow :-)

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The Swifter was led by a notch at the end of the bars. Whether there was only ever a knot in front and behind the bar or whether it was secured for example by a half hitch I will still find out.

Interesting also in the lower perspective. Jumping over the guns wasn't possible there either, the deck beams were only a few centimeters above the heads, and the outer sailors probably have to watch out with the hanging knees anyway ...

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Here you can see it nicely what I mean, at 0:15 - This action combined with deck beams one would then hear a rhythmic "Klock" when hard wood (sailor's thick head) hits hard wood (deck beams) ...

https://www.britishpathe.com/video/jill-afloat

Simply delightful to see.

And for the naval officers in the boats finally a possibility to look unpunished under skirts, as the girls up there come along on the spar ...

It remains exciting :-)

XXXDAn
Post Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:28 pm
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Just wondering: would the crew working the capstan maybe had to crawl over the guns, and others had to hold on just a bit tougher while some others weren't firmly on their feet because of the guns? Just another inconvenience in the way of perfect working conditions which we demand nowadays? It wasn't quite so in the past if I'm informed correctly...
Post Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 1:42 pm
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Great work on the guns!
Post Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 3:39 am
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Guest wrote:
someone of undesirable qualities.

... and of dangerously unpredictable behavior! :big_grin: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
Post Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 9:05 am
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Hence the expression "loose cannon" to describe someone of undesirable qualities. Regards, Pete in RI
Post Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 7:34 am
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dafi wrote:
I think this would have been made dependent upon the circumstances. But more safe of course would be an appropriate lashing, just to make shure, as moving guns were seen as an enormous danger - even for those days ;-)

Yes, even a loose canon ball rolling around on the deck could already cause serious injury... If you imagine a gun like that rolling around!
Post Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 6:09 am
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Thank you Marijn,

I think this would have been made dependent upon the circumstances. But more safe of course would be an appropriate lashing, just to make shure, as moving guns were seen as an enormous danger - even for those days ;-)

XXXDAn
Post Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 3:38 am
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Wonderful! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:


Will you be lashing them to the ship's sides, to keep them from moving in heavy seas? ;)
Or maybe they didn't take the effort, as the guns only needed to be kept out of the way while working the capstan?
Post Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 3:20 am
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The days I have again made some guns, 2 horizontal, two lashed upwards, one with etched parts but unpainted and an old one painted but without etch parts.

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Then some shipwrights came by and installed a makeshift deck in the aft capstan area. The caulkers came also immediately and left a giant mess with their tow and tar ...

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I'll spare you the curses of the sailors who had to clear the deck, they were terrible, but afterwards the whole thing looked passable again.

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Here is shown the area covered by the capstan bars´ radius.

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And this is where the guns come into play: in their normal position, they are simply in the way of the spars. But stowed lengthwise on the ship's side, it looks much more spill user-friendly.

Here in the lashed position with the muzzle on top, without chair and the coin.

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Here with the barrel in the horizontal position, chair and coin inserted.

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And just to check: even when run out, it's not enough for a decent bar radius.

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It remains exciting :-)

XXXDAn
Post Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 6:36 am
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Just fantastic! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:


5 more to go... ;)
Post Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 8:53 am
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Molto sharpisimo!

;-)

XXXDAn
Post Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 9:27 am
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:thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: that looks very sharp ! :thumbs_up_1:

JIM B
Post Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 7:03 am
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Of course it tickled my fingers and was already overdue, but finally I could slap some colour on the pilasters :-)

First some ochre, then a bit of heavily thinned ink for the depths and finally some white brushed over it for the heights, and then the whole thing on a black background - oh how cool :-)

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This is the area as I did it with the original part to compare.

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Post Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 4:07 am
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To once again contradict all those who think that the printer is the solution to all trying and an easy way to the part ...

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In the meantime I have converted some of my resin castings into printed parts. The form is just a bit more sharp. Here are the timber heads.

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And the anchors now have their shape according to Steel and other contemporary sources.  The edge between the shaft and arm is sharp by now and not as rounded as in modern sources as AOTS and others.

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The shaft has the nut in the area of its head, the stock has the matching counterpart.

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I was particularly taken with the small kegde anchor. It was probably stowed on the aft starboard best bower.

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With the lock pin and the pin securing line.

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And a very, very small detail after Steel: The anti-slip device of the shaft. Simply split the end and bend it open. can be pressed together again for repair purposes and then fits again through the hole :-)

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Still missing the family pictures of the anchors :-)

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Stowing of the stream anchor on the aft port best bower.

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The head of the shaft with its characteristic bevelled corners and the indicated woolings of the Rings.

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And anchor buoys and anchor shoes are also re done.

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XXXDAn
Post Posted: Tue May 11, 2021 10:41 am
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Perfect! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:


I wonder, will you eventually add a complete middle deck, or will you stick to the center elements only? And if you add the rest of the deck (and maybe the upper and other decks too?), can/will you keep them removable somehow?
Post Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:00 am
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Beautiful work! :)
Post Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:49 am
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After this short side walk, I continued on the middle deck....

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Now with all parts, so also etching supports for the fall protection.

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Then with paper strips determining center and left and right edges ...

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... aging parts and glueing the coaming in place.

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Note that the staircase will not fit through the top because of the rabbet, so it must be pulled up from below with thread ...

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... flaps inserted ...

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... and the thread pulled with surgical precision and ready the open version :-)

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Then closed the flaps, removed the supports and inserted the capstan.

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Here is the whole thing then finally with my small scaling companion.

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And in the overview :-)

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All the best, Daniel
Post Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:03 am
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Wonderful!!!! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

I wish I would have done this on my little Vic. The pilasters on it are not very exact or sharp... Acceptable when seen by the naked eye in that scale, but pretty visible in close-up photo's. I hope to sharpen it a bit when painting though.
But I'll definitely keep this option in mind for te next project; much sharper! :thumbs_up_1:
Post Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:43 am
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Once again the typical Dafinist shift of the scene of crime. Since I know that I soon will need another stern for the Vic, I dared to tackle an issue that I could only solve by clever colouring when I created the last one.

But one after the other. Here are the parts of the kit as they fell out of their box.

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First the courageous cut to separate the lower part, which makes the assembly immensely easier later.

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Then I filed out the name cartouche and levelled it with a matching sanding block. The wood structure also went to wood-structure-heaven.

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Then a cut between the profiles above the pilasters ...

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... and one below.

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Then using the chisel to discard of the old pilasters.

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Then trimem the profile from the top side ...

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... and cut it so deeply from below that it came out in one piece.

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And everything smoothed out with the small files and the matching sanding blocks :-)

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And then *tata* the new pilasters came out of the hat :-)

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And in situ.

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Fits :-)

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I also re-pilastered the side galleries. Here the comparison with the originals of the kit.

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And the parts are so fine that I only saw in the super macro that the volutes of the pilasters had slipped up a bit during the first adjustment, or better saying that the upper volutes had not moved down with the rest when they were shortened ...

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So I went back to the computer, moved the volutes in the 6 panels and reprinted them ...

So, as a little titbit, the following picture. I wanted to know if this resin can be moulded under heat like the cast resin. And I was surprised, a short dip in hot water and you can almost tie a knot in the pilaster ladder. Honestly - I swear!

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The reason for this action is that the kit parts are getting on in years and have plenty of sink marks in the area of the pilasters that are very difficult to iron out. But admittedly, it also looks nicer. I am already looking forward to do the the painting.

This is how it will look like.

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Ok, and the printer is already running, more pictures soon.

XXXDAn
Post Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:00 am

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