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Topic review - Renwal 1/500 USS Springfield (waterlined)
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  Post subject:  Re: Renwal 1/500 USS Springfield (waterlined)  Reply with quote
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Post Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:20 pm
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Rick E Davis wrote:
An aerial view of USS MANCHESTER (CL-83) shortly after she was upgraded with 3-in RFG mounts. She was upgraded with twin 3-in RFG mounts in late 1952.

Image

She was the last of the All-Gun CLEVELAND class to see active service and the only one still active at the start of the Korea War.

An overhead view of USS MANCHESTER (CL-83) on 11 June 1953 during her last tour off Korea.

Image

Hi Rick, Thanks!!! I've been looking for photos of Manchester with 3" guns for ages! Made my day!
Post Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:01 pm
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Steve wrote:
The project is almost done. The pictures represent the final "dry fit" and the only incomplete work is some minor trim painting. I am assembling a "square bridge" option using the MM 3D components. I am slightly modifying these to fit the kit as an alternate so either bridge can be used for display. I will post the two side by side when done. I chose the hull number since the model is really a "never was" and also for a reason noted later. What follows is the list of "after market" components I used with comments on assembly.

1. The 6"/47 turrets and the two after barbettes are 3D from MM (Steve Larsen). Steve developed the barbettes specifically for this scale and project.

2. The 5"/38 twin mounts are 3D from MM with barrels made available by Steve from his single 5" mounts. Alas my 78 year old eyes and the carpet monster won the battle of using the 3D barrels so I substituted 700 scale 8" barrels from the Trumpeter Astoria kit. Thus my choice of the "90" hull number. I added my "soda straw" handling rooms to simplify installation and allow rotation. No one makes brass barrels for these in 1/500 scale.

3. The Mk 37 directors are 3D from MM. Steve Larsen almost succeeded in getting Shapeways to print the dish antennas for them but it was not to be thus the model is short any radars on the directors. I choose the option of not using the kit directors since they are rather plain and really did not look good on the model.

4. The 3"/50 twins are resin from Starfighter. I added a thin wafer of plastic to stand them up a bit off the deck plus plastic rod to allow rotation.

5. The Mk 56 directors are also resin from Starfighter.

6. The decals are from Alliance Model Works.

To assist in the layout of the after 6" mounts Paul sent me some scanned shots from the USS Miami plans in a format that I could work with.

Finally Steve Larsen worked with me trading ideas and developing components that made this "almost OOB" project possible. Steve brings to the modeling community a skill and dedication that is extraordinary! In his words what I did was just monkey around and have fun.

http://imgur.com/GkM6CLh

http://imgur.com/Q2Ny2sx

http://imgur.com/4Mcbpky

http://imgur.com/1wEbP3a

http://imgur.com/DgmGsPX


The USS Manchester CL 83 "Final Kit Version"

Well almost a year later and some "playing around" with assemblies I finally finished two versions of the bridge. The first is essentialy the kit version and the option is the square bridge version from Steve. The foremast is removable and the bridge assemblies are interchangeable since the both bases are from the Springfield kit. I have enough parts to do another foremast so I won't have to switch out the mast when I change the bridge.

My thanks again to everyone who helped me on this especially Steve Larsen to fill in the gaps on needed parts to make the model more representative of the 12 gun version without major surgery. I owe Rick Davis thanks for his posting of the USS Manchester photos and the background info for obvious reasons. It made this an "as was" rather than a "never was" model.

https://i.imgur.com/N7OINQF.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/mJ903ew.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/l4nsXF6.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/64ktLeB.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eJsgNR0.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/YGTGZZQ.jpg


In the pictures the foremast is loose and may be "off" the correct angle. The 6" triple barrels can be elevated and may be "depressed"
Post Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:40 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Renwal 1/500 USS Springfield (waterlined)  Reply with quote
An aerial view of USS MANCHESTER (CL-83) shortly after she was upgraded with 3-in RFG mounts. She was upgraded with twin 3-in RFG mounts in late 1952.

Image

She was the last of the All-Gun CLEVELAND class to see active service and the only one still active at the start of the Korea War.

An overhead view of USS MANCHESTER (CL-83) on 11 June 1953 during her last tour off Korea.

Image
Post Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:12 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Renwal 1/500 USS Springfield (waterlined)  Reply with quote
Thanks, Steve! Your model is beautiful.
Post Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:25 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Renwal 1/500 USS Springfield (waterlined)  Reply with quote
ftauss wrote:
What about the float planes?


Based on info from Rick Davis the only Cleveland Class CL with all four 6"/47 turrets and 3"/50 twin mounts was the USS Manchester. In this outfit she did not have catapults.
Post Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:48 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Renwal 1/500 USS Springfield (waterlined)  Reply with quote
What about the float planes?
Post Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:15 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Renwal 1/500 USS Springfield (waterlined)  Reply with quote
The project is almost done. The pictures represent the final "dry fit" and the only incomplete work is some minor trim painting. I am assembling a "square bridge" option using the MM 3D components. I am slightly modifying these to fit the kit as an alternate so either bridge can be used for display. I will post the two side by side when done. I chose the hull number since the model is really a "never was" and also for a reason noted later. What follows is the list of "after market" components I used with comments on assembly.

1. The 6"/47 turrets and the two after barbettes are 3D from MM (Steve Larsen). Steve developed the barbettes specifically for this scale and project.

2. The 5"/38 twin mounts are 3D from MM with barrels made available by Steve from his single 5" mounts. Alas my 78 year old eyes and the carpet monster won the battle of using the 3D barrels so I substituted 700 scale 8" barrels from the Trumpeter Astoria kit. Thus my choice of the "90" hull number. I added my "soda straw" handling rooms to simplify installation and allow rotation. No one makes brass barrels for these in 1/500 scale.

3. The Mk 37 directors are 3D from MM. Steve Larsen almost succeeded in getting Shapeways to print the dish antennas for them but it was not to be thus the model is short any radars on the directors. I choose the option of not using the kit directors since they are rather plain and really did not look good on the model.

4. The 3"/50 twins are resin from Starfighter. I added a thin wafer of plastic to stand them up a bit off the deck plus plastic rod to allow rotation.

5. The Mk 56 directors are also resin from Starfighter.

6. The decals are from Alliance Model Works.

To assist in the layout of the after 6" mounts Paul sent me some scanned shots from the USS Miami plans in a format that I could work with.

Finally Steve Larsen worked with me trading ideas and developing components that made this "almost OOB" project possible. Steve brings to the modeling community a skill and dedication that is extraordinary! In his words what I did was just monkey around and have fun.

http://imgur.com/GkM6CLh

http://imgur.com/Q2Ny2sx

http://imgur.com/4Mcbpky

http://imgur.com/1wEbP3a

http://imgur.com/DgmGsPX
Post Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:36 am
  Post subject:  Re: Renwal 1/500 USS Springfield (waterlined)  Reply with quote
Nice. I am not being a stickler for super accuracy. At this point I will take what is available. Seagulls would be nice. Seahawks didn't appear until mid 45 so I'd think that is to late. I'm looking for a mid to late 44 look. I'm thinking by that time the Kingfishers would be standard even on cruisers.

Frank
Post Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:56 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Renwal 1/500 USS Springfield (waterlined)  Reply with quote
Anyone got a lead on 1/500 Kingfishers? I got all of Mr. Monkey's bits to make an all gun and Tom's Modelworks 1/500 PE catapults and cranes, which includes a radar. No go on Shapeways for the 0S2U though. Seagulls might work but the Seahawks came to late and the other one is better not even mentioned. Unfortunately almost all of my references are in storage for at least 4 more months so I can't be sure if it should be Seagulls or Kingfishers for the Clevelands.

Frank
Post Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:08 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Renwal 1/500 USS Springfield (waterlined)  Reply with quote
For those interested in an all-gun Cleveland, I rearranged the sets to be less confusing (thanks, ftauss!).

A set of Mk.34 directors in two different styles with Mk.13 airfoil-shaped radar antenna covers will be available in 1/500 today. [edit: done. http://shpws.me/O3UL]
Post Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:00 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Renwal 1/500 USS Springfield (waterlined)  Reply with quote
Steve wrote:
ftauss wrote:
For the all gun WWII version I saw a PE set that had the catapults and crane. What do you do for the aircraft?


Interesting! Who makes the 500 scale PE for catapults and cranes?




Tom's Modelworks 5007 1/500 US Battleships/ Cruiser Cranes & Catapults
Post Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:43 am
  Post subject:  Re: Renwal 1/500 USS Springfield (waterlined)  Reply with quote
ftauss wrote:
For the all gun WWII version I saw a PE set that had the catapults and crane. What do you do for the aircraft?


Interesting! Who makes the 500 scale PE for catapults and cranes?
Post Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:42 am
  Post subject:  Re: Renwal 1/500 USS Springfield (waterlined)  Reply with quote
For the all gun WWII version I saw a PE set that had the catapults and crane. What do you do for the aircraft?
Post Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:53 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Renwal 1/500 USS Springfield (waterlined)  Reply with quote
Here are the latest pics of the ongoing project. Components are "dry fit" and not all items are shown. Missing are the masts, boats, all directors and other misc parts. The only items still "in transit" are the new MK 37 radars just made available by Steve Larsen in a new material.

1. General assembly plus other parts from original kit for comparison:

http://imgur.com/AfZ8Pts

2. Forward details:

http://imgur.com/1ZDsdat

3. After details:

http://imgur.com/vvbf9UC

4. Comparison of parts :

http://imgur.com/iJkWpxX

5. What did you do with her- I'm in love?

http://imgur.com/VRxS1qS

I have also started working on some very old 1/700 Hasegawa CV's (Essex and Hancock) for assembly and painting practice (these two were the first Essex class kits to hit the market "a long time ago in a galaxy far,far away"). Some assembly was done years ago. I Will be replacing single and twin 5"/38's from Tamiya Missouri spare sprues. I can live with the 20mm and actually the 40mm are reasonably good!
Post Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:46 am
  Post subject:  Re: Renwal 1/500 USS Springfield (waterlined)  Reply with quote
Steve wrote:
...How did Steve know that a plastic soda straw was an exact fit into the twin mount?


All Model Monkey designs are straw-tested. It's a service that comes free of charge. Cat-testing is left up to the modeler.

Great work, Steve!
Post Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:12 pm
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DavidP wrote:
chocolate or seal point Siamese?


Sam is a 10 year old feral stray (vet confirmed this) we found on the property as a little kitten. It took us two days to actually "rescue" him. Out here in central NJ feral cats are not uncommon and the vet said he is probably a 1 in 200 !
Post Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:10 pm
  Post subject:  Re: Renwal 1/500 USS Springfield (waterlined)  Reply with quote
With the arrival of the first orders from Model Monkey and Star Fighter I have modified the kit slightly and posted several "in progress" pics showing the forward area dry fit.

1. This shows the preparation of the 5" deck mountings with the kit bases being removed and drilled out to receive the "soda straw" 5/38 twin mount barbettes. How did Steve know that a plastic soda straw was an exact fit into the twin mount?

http://imgur.com/tvTczsZ

2. A 5" twin mount with the "soda straw" barbette fitted. The plastic kit barbettes have been filed off and the drilled out so the straw fits tightly enough to rotate.

http://imgur.com/3d1elcc

3. Another view of the fit.

http://imgur.com/LTjzYEw

4. The forward area dry fit for appearance only. The forward 6"47 barbettes have the turret mounting holes filled and redrilled to receive the smaller diameter turret pins. The 3"/50 twins are resin mounts from Star Fighter and I added a thin wafer underneath to set the mount off the deck.

http://imgur.com/qBGr0Oh

5. What else can I do to help!

http://imgur.com/EXbUV1X

6. Tough day gotta get ready for tomorrow!

http://imgur.com/MND0VvP


The USPS has yet to deliver the after turrets and barbettes plus the directors from ModelMonkey. BTW I am using Tamiya acrylic paint.
Post Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:35 am
  Post subject:  Re: LF Renwal 1/500 All Gun Cleveland Class Model  Reply with quote
New pics - will add info later tonight


http://imgur.com/YiAJOti

http://imgur.com/GPSnykL

http://imgur.com/pd4v7fs


I have reposted this on the "builds in progress" with descriptions to assist anyone who would like or is doing this project that started as a simple OOB project.
Post Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:29 pm
  Post subject:  Re: LF Renwal 1/500 All Gun Cleveland Class Model  Reply with quote
The barbettes are ready: https://www.shapeways.com/product/7XUTH ... -barbettes
Post Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:58 pm

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