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Topic review - H.M.S. Hood, 1/200 Trumpeter kit + Pontos etc.
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  Post subject:  Re: H.M.S. Hood, 1/200 Trumpeter kit + Pontos etc.  Reply with quote
Hi EJ

It is a strange one, I'm thinking like you that it was probably only there in the early years, if indeed it was there at all? IIRC the photo is dated 1924 and like you I can't see clear evidence in any other photo? Very strange, I'll be doing some painting soon and unless I find some further evidence I'll be removing the handrail ready to paint.

Thanks for your time spent EJ, very much appreciated.

Pete
Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:38 pm
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I've looked at the pic in the AOTS and it indeed strongly suggests a handrail :smallsmile: The pic is attributed to Burt, but a quick flip though his book did not result in a better version (I don't have a high-res copy either).

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However, any other picture I have of the rangefinder including a few very clear shots do not show any handrail (or remnants of one). So I cannot rule out the rail was present on Hood in the early 20s but I cannot find it on any other picture between launch and loss.
Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:20 pm
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Good afternoon all, I have done a little more work on Hood, mainly the front rangefinder and a start of the foretop, working on the rangefinder has brought up an interesting issue which I have been discussing on the call of shops page and also during private PM's with EJ. The issue regards a handrail around the rangefinder, I first noticed it on Stefan's drawings but then spotted what could be the same in a photo in AOTS, granted no other photo seems to show this, or just isn't as clear so the jury is still out although I may bow to EJ's vast experience and ignore the possibility of a handrail.

I'll begin with the photo that has stirred this up, I've enlarged it a little too far to see clearly, check the photo in AOTS page 27 where it's clearer to judge for yourselves.

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here is the model where I have included a handrail, funny enough this part is included in the Trumpeter PE set although theirs goes all the way around, I have modified it to stop under the front supports as drawn by Stefan, It's an easy part to remove when the jury come in.

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Putting the rangefinder aside for a while I moved on to the torpedo lookout platform, the platform comes split into two halves that need soldering together once the top and undersides have been built, I have used solder for all of these parts, picture shows the parts before cleaning up.

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to ensure that the two parts joined correctly I used a couple of No.60 drills to keep things aligned while soldering. My method is to brush on some Bakers fluid to the undersides being careful not to go near the drills and then solder along the outside seam.

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The platform is now attached to the front tripod pole, the instructions don't make clear where this sits (above or below the ring moulded around the pole), so I decided to go below which makes sense or the support wings would foul the ring.

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There are two ladders, one front and one back, I have only fitted the back for now as the other goes up above the pole height and might get damaged.

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I then made a start on the fore starfish, this picture shows the underside of the starfish ( as before this is two PE sections folded and joined together), looking at the parts I decided it better to glue the plastic top to the tripod as the PE parts all butt up against this.

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This close-up picture shows where I started which is the rear section as the brass parts interlock with each other at the rear. Note the nice grooves for the next sections to fit into, this is very accurate and I chose to solder all of these parts rather than glue to give it the strength I feel it requires.

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The completed underside with torpedo platform included.

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topside with the fighting top just sitting there for a visual.

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Next, I will probably complete the top area and then perhaps make a start on painting the main and secondary armaments, I'll feel much happier when those delicate parts are attached to the model and safely under glass.

Pete
Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:13 pm
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A little more on the turrets, I have now assembled the 3D turrets and modified them so that they can rotate, I did this using the centre sections of the kit turret bases.

The first picture shows what I had to resort to not having a lathe to hand due to the workshop temporarily being closed. To be able to use the kit bases I first needed to remove the center section that sits into the turret barbettes, not only did I not have the lathe but also any other modeling tools except for the cheap kit I bought just to be able to do some basic tasks, alas this kit did not include a compass..lo.

My solution was to use what was to hand, in this case, the top from a water bottle which just happened to fit over the base spigot, and then a shot glass which was close to the ID of the hole in the turret and also fitted over the water bottle cap... yes I know, very Heath Robinson..:)

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After using some snips and plenty of filing I arrived at a base that sat nicely into the opening in the bottom of the turret.

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I then marked out the remaining turret bases and did likewise,

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3 pictures to show the end result, first X and Y turrets. Note that I haven't glued the bases to the turret bodies yet.

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A and B turrets

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The last picture for tonight shows all 4 turrets sitting in position.

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Not sure what to do next, the lack of tooling is really hampering things, I'll try to find something nontaxing to do...:)

Pete
Post Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:51 am
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Cheers Pete...not looked closely at the fit yet but thanks for the heads up, I'd be more inclined to trust Simon's work than Trumpeter anyway..

I'm toying with the idea of removing the location lugs from the kit turrets and fit them to the Micromaster turrets so that they can be left unglued and thus able to rotate. If I do this I'll, of course, give full details here..

Kind regards

Pete
Post Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:43 am
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Hiya Pete, Pete here. Yep, those turrets are AWESOME! Way better than the kit parts. I have a set also. When you place them on the bases, you will notice there is a ledge around them, don't worry, it should be like that, the kit turrets are too big!. Look at the photo's over at "On the Slipway".
Post Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:09 pm
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On to the remaining two turrets, in this case 'B' and 'y' turrets now that I've got them sorted properly.

Now these main guns aren't cheap but boy are they worth every penny, or at least they are in my eye's, the next few photo's will show why I feel this way.

First a close-up of the underside of the B turret UP mount, the size of the photo does not give justice to how small these detailed parts are.

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A view of the mount sitting on top of the range finder, if I had paid a little more attention I should have removed some small sprue tabs which would have made these parts closer, it's just so difficult to see these tiny parts. Not to worry though as once painted the tiny gaps will disappear. Note that the rear face of the turret has the cutaway angles, only B turret had these.

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A close-up showing the top of the UP mount, nice and crisp details. You may just spot a small hole in the flak sheild, that's me dropping the point of the tweezers onto the part, call it flak damage..:) For now i have left off the ammo lockers until after painting.

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A view looking down onto the two turrets worked on for today, note the ladders, front middle for B turret and rear for Y turret.

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This I particularly liked, at first I thought the sight holes had a piece of sprue in them, I nearly cut them out until I looked closer. What I thought was sprue is in fact the telescopic gun sights themselves, is that cool or what...:)

Pete

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:56 am
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Correction to what I wrote above, I have now checked and what I thought to be Y turret is in fact A turret. I had assumed the other way around due to their positions in the box, good job I checked before mounting, mind you that's a way off yet.

Pete
Post Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:09 am
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Well, I have done some work on X and Y turrets today, first checking that Micromaster had got the details right for each turret for as you know there are subtle differences. from what I can tell they have done an excellent job, only to be expected from Simon who strives for accuracy.

First up is 'Y' turret which has a ladder up the rear face and also no ribs on the same face, sorry not sure what these are called. I haven't cleaned the small pieces of sprue from the ladder yet and will fill any joints before painting, the other thing that is on these prints but not on the trumpeter parts are the small slices cut off the bottom corners. Each turret is made in 5 parts except B turret which has the UP platform as a separate item.

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Next up is 'X' turret with the remains of the aircraft platform, note also the small ladder on the port side. The ladder and platform are all printed as part of the main turret piece. A point to note here, when fitting the sights which are separate I found it best to remove a little material from the mounting tab on the platform side, it's a close fit.

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The last picture for tonight shows the rear of both turrets, note that the ribs mentioned are missing on 'Y' but present on 'X'. The rear of the sights are slightly different too, only just noticed this, I will check the accuracy of this but doubt if it's wrong.

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Next time I'll cover A and B turrets with their differences.

Pete
Post Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:52 am
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EJFoeth wrote:
You're welcome, and, did you press the "forgot password" button? :wave_1:


I did...but couldn't get past the picture 'not a robot' id page...?
Post Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:51 am
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You're welcome, and, did you press the "forgot password" button? :wave_1:
Post Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:18 am
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Thanks guys and a big thank you to EJ...I did see your excellent post on Brit forum but couldn't post as forgotten my PW. After a number of attempts to get in with numerous 29 minute lock outs I gave up for the time, I will try again though.. IIRC I have already fitted the coal shutes but will take a look to see what can be done.

Thanks again EJ for your excellent research that we all benefit from.

Kind regards

Pete
Post Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:15 am
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Have to admit that I'd never would have noticed a month ago, but I started on making my own steam launch so... :smallsmile: The drawing by Ough is a good starting point but you immediately notice small differences and down the rabbit hole once more... Found this nice link:

https://navyhistory.org.au/steam-picket-boats-some-reminiscences/
abovelink wrote:
From November 1923 to October 1924 I was fortunate enough to be midshipman of HMS Hood’s first picket boat. This period included ‘The World Cruise,’ sometimes called ‘The Empire Cruise’. Both Hood’s picket boats were oil-fired 50 footers. Each had a double crew of one midshipman, one petty officer coxswain, two able seamen bowmen, one able seaman sternsheetsman, one stoker petty officer for the engineroom, and one stoker for the boiler room.


You can notice other difference between the two boats here:

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Minor differences in the center "superstructure" and hatch layout can be observed with the Ough drawing; AOTS Hood has the right one drawn (of course?). The port side picket was landed, the starboard picket was still aboard when Hood was sunk (despite 100% of all references claiming both were landed). Note that neither picket has coal chutes on deck.
Post Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:58 am
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Ha!

Now THAT is the kind of detail that is sooooo easily overlooked
Bravo EJ !!

>>>... scraping off the coaling chutes from the deck as Hood's launches were oil-fired... <<<

Jim B :thumbs_up_1:
Post Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:37 am
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Nice to see the steam launch making an appearance! Hood initially carried two with only minor differences; this printed one resembles the launch not kept, but differences are small so good enough. I would recommend scraping off the coaling chutes from the deck as Hood's launches were oil-fired... (discs on either side of the funnel position).
Post Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 3:40 am
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MicroMaster produces very impressive stuff
Post Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:10 pm
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Hello all

as some will remember I've been busy building live steam loco, this has come to a temporary halt as we have moved house and need to build a new workshop before I can continue with the build. The good news is that I plan to do some more work on Hood while the tools are down. i can't all my tools are in storage but I can get on with the large amount of 3D printed items from Micromaster.
To add to this stack today I have just received the latest parts from NZ.

This time around we have Hood's main guns and a steam pinnace.

A couple of photo's to get things started.

Overall view of the parts as packed, I was happy to see that the steam pinnace funnel is separate, which will make life easier to have the boat stored properly.

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And this picture shows a close up of B turret with its UP mount platform.

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i have bought myself a small modeling tool kit and glue so that I can assemble the parts, I'll report back when the guns are assembled and sitting on the model, they, of course, won't be painted until later once I can get the gear needed from storage.

Pete
Post Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:09 am
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Photo taken in daylight, there's a bit of glare as the model is now back in its case for protection. At least this photo is a little clearer.

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Pete
Post Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2022 6:52 am
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Not much done in recent weeks, the dreaded bug got me and I found myself in hospital for a couple of days but feeling a bit better now. I have one very poor picture to share, poor as it was dark and the flash doesn't focus well, usually better to take the image without flash but I was too lazy to set it up....lol

Ok, so work done includes all of the winches, BTW, Pontos shows 15 winches, the kit shows 14, I can only find 14 positions on both the kit and Ponto's instructions, if anyone knows where the 15th goes (if indeed it goes anywhere) please let me know.

As well as the winches I have also fitted the first of the 3D printed boats, in this case, the two 16ft dingy's which hang either side of the radio HF shack(or whatever it's called?) For these prints, the rudders are stowed across the stern-sheets.

The picture shows the port side, alas Pontos only allows for a single 16ft dingy and so I only have two oars for the one side. I'll find something else to hide this, some rope, Denton rafts or even a canvas cover, we shall see. Also, this is the side that's supposed to have the 16ft FMB and thus has different cradles but you can't really notice this with the boat fitted and the boat still sits level.

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I'm not happy with the painting yet and have ordered some better brushes to touch in where needed, I also need to paint the oar hooks. I'll try to take the photo for the next update in daylight.

Pete
Post Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 4:54 pm
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Good grief! Those are gorgeous! :thumbs_up_1:
Post Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:55 pm

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