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Re: Jamie's Flyhawk 1/700 HMS Prince of Wales (December 1941 |
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Yes it is a type 273. Not sure why some books would discuss it as it's so very plain to spot... The type 271 is for small craft and is a double cheese antenna while the 273s were for large ships and the radar itself is a set of two 3ft paraboloidal mirrors; both were fitted in a lantern. PoW had hers fitted in August 1941. The same type of lantern could be used for either type that went from octogonal to round, but other radomes were used as well. The books to have is the following trio: Derik Howse, Radar at sea, the Royal Navy of world war 2 FA Kingsley, Radar: the developments of equipment for the royal navy 1935-45) FA Kingsley, The applications of Radar and other electronic systems in the Royal Nay in World War 2 (nearly unobtainable and least useful I guess) Type 271  Type 273  Kingsley part I contains a table with radar fits of many ships... Yes it is a type 273. Not sure why some books would discuss it as it's so very plain to spot... The type 271 is for small craft and is a double cheese antenna while the 273s were for large ships and the radar itself is a set of two 3ft paraboloidal mirrors; both were fitted in a lantern. PoW had hers fitted in August 1941. The same type of lantern could be used for either type that went from octogonal to round, but other radomes were used as well.
The books to have is the following trio:
[list]Derik Howse, Radar at sea, the Royal Navy of world war 2[/list]
[list]FA Kingsley, Radar: the developments of equipment for the royal navy 1935-45)[/list]
[list]FA Kingsley, The applications of Radar and other electronic systems in the Royal Nay in World War 2 (nearly unobtainable and least useful I guess)[/list]
Type 271
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Type 273
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Kingsley part I contains a table with radar fits of many ships...
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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:46 am |
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Re: Jamie's Flyhawk 1/700 HMS Prince of Wales (December 1941 |
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SovereignHobbies wrote: Time for a wee bit of progress on the Prince of Wales. I have realised that the Delux version included a PE radio direction finder (I think that's what it is - it's overshadowed by lots of discussion about fire director radar fits in all the books I have) I am a bit late to the party here... but isn't that the "lantern" for a Type 271 or 273 surface search radar? Type 271 in the case of PoW of course, but the later 273 used the same setup. [quote="SovereignHobbies"]Time for a wee bit of progress on the Prince of Wales. I have realised that the Delux version included a PE radio direction finder (I [i]think[/i] that's what it is - it's overshadowed by lots of discussion about fire director radar fits in all the books I have) [/quote]
I am a bit late to the party here... but isn't that the "lantern" for a Type 271 or 273 surface search radar? Type 271 in the case of PoW of course, but the later 273 used the same setup.
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 6:17 pm |
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Re: Jamie's Flyhawk 1/700 HMS Prince of Wales (December 1941 |
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I've changed day-jobs 3 weeks ago which is taking a lot of time, and my weekends have been consumed lately by 2 trade orders (we have restocks presently in transit to Denmark, and one in manufacture for Australia - so the new Royal Navy paints are reaching other parts of the world at last). I've made minor progress on the model but have generally lacked the energy...   I've changed day-jobs 3 weeks ago which is taking a lot of time, and my weekends have been consumed lately by 2 trade orders (we have restocks presently in transit to Denmark, and one in manufacture for Australia - so the new Royal Navy paints are reaching other parts of the world at last).
I've made minor progress on the model but have generally lacked the energy...
[img]http://village.photos/images/user/483a5850-3d62-4900-8176-6062170ac842/resized_2b998b1c-c05e-4417-873d-079786d17639.jpg[/img]
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:49 pm |
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Re: Jamie's Flyhawk 1/700 HMS Prince of Wales (December 1941 |
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That's coming along nicely.
That's coming along nicely.
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:57 am |
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Re: Jamie's Flyhawk 1/700 HMS Prince of Wales (December 1941 |
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I've given the deck a very dark wash using artist's oil paint thinned with white spirit. I never use white spirit for thinning enamel because it stinks and evaporates very slowly, which causes long drying times. Its long molecule length which causes these properties which I generally find undesirable does however given white spirit a use here - it can be applied on top of recently painted on enamel without lifting it. Excessive agitation of the paint with the brush when applying oil wash is to be avoided though - just apply it, let capillary action do its thing and keep moving.  I've given the deck a very dark wash using artist's oil paint thinned with white spirit. I never use white spirit for thinning enamel because it stinks and evaporates very slowly, which causes long drying times. Its long molecule length which causes these properties which I generally find undesirable does however given white spirit a use here - it can be applied on top of recently painted on enamel without lifting it. Excessive agitation of the paint with the brush when applying oil wash is to be avoided though - just apply it, let capillary action do its thing and keep moving.
[img]http://village.photos/images/user/483a5850-3d62-4900-8176-6062170ac842/resized_68392926-3e07-4d2e-8d63-db74693fd562.jpg[/img]
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:09 am |
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Re: Jamie's Flyhawk 1/700 HMS Prince of Wales (December 1941 |
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I've applied the first contrasting colour by picking out some planks.
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[img]http://village.photos/images/user/483a5850-3d62-4900-8176-6062170ac842/resized_f49b49d1-5954-451b-b2ea-449bd47b5557.jpg[/img]
With the second colour, things start to soften a bit but we're not there yet.
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My next step is mixing the 2nd and 3rd contrasting colours together, thinning it fairly heavily, then applying a fairly wet "dry brush" to the deck. I take care to apply and not keep agitating the previous paint too much with the brush, since they were only brushed on this afternoon and the thinners will soften and eventually strip the previous enamel back off. Used with care though, this will blend the previous paints and soften the contrast down.
[img]http://village.photos/images/user/483a5850-3d62-4900-8176-6062170ac842/resized_8764663d-0e2d-4371-ad83-1da681ae858c.jpg[/img]
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:04 am |
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After a short hiatus (paintbrushophobia) I have decided to force myself to get on with this. The main deck has been airbrushed a base tone. This wasn't such a chore.  Next will be lots of tedious brush painting, which for me personally very much is a chore! After a short hiatus (paintbrushophobia) I have decided to force myself to get on with this.
The main deck has been airbrushed a base tone. This wasn't such a chore.
[img]http://village.photos/images/user/483a5850-3d62-4900-8176-6062170ac842/resized_757c1800-a53e-4cf2-a126-ad6b855719d5.jpg[/img]
Next will be lots of tedious brush painting, which for me personally very much is a chore!
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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:28 am |
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Coming on really well, lovely work with the masking!
Coming on really well, lovely work with the masking!
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:19 am |
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Timmy C wrote: Quote: I have realised that the Delux version included a PE radio direction finder (I think that's what it is Isn't the 'lantern' shaped device the Type 271 radar? Yes, you are correct - thanks! [quote="Timmy C"][quote]I have realised that the Delux version included a PE radio direction finder (I think that's what it is[/quote]
Isn't the 'lantern' shaped device the Type 271 radar?[/quote]
Yes, you are correct - thanks!
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Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:16 pm |
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Quote: I have realised that the Delux version included a PE radio direction finder (I think that's what it is Isn't the 'lantern' shaped device the Type 271 radar? [quote]I have realised that the Delux version included a PE radio direction finder (I think that's what it is[/quote]
Isn't the 'lantern' shaped device the Type 271 radar?
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Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:30 pm |
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Re: Jamie's Flyhawk 1/700 HMS Prince of Wales (December 1941 |
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The Type 285s are assembled, and I have airbrushed a basecoat of NARN30 MS4 onto the two upper sections for the forward superstructure.  The Type 285s are assembled, and I have airbrushed a basecoat of NARN30 MS4 onto the two upper sections for the forward superstructure.
[img]http://village.photos/images/user/483a5850-3d62-4900-8176-6062170ac842/resized_aef4d4e4-1adf-40d1-91df-e1ecbf9bf2ed.jpg[/img]
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Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:46 am |
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Time for a wee bit of progress on the Prince of Wales. I have realised that the Delux version included a PE radio direction finder (I think that's what it is - it's overshadowed by lots of discussion about fire director radar fits in all the books I have) so after thinking about the relative merits of leaving the plastic one in situ or replacing, I carefully sawed the plastic one off and made up the brass replacement. I've also fitted the supports for the Type 285 fire control radars which can be seen fitted atop the two Mk.III HACS (High Angle Control Stations). I need to assemble the Yagi antennae to fit on these mounts.  Time for a wee bit of progress on the Prince of Wales. I have realised that the Delux version included a PE radio direction finder (I [i]think[/i] that's what it is - it's overshadowed by lots of discussion about fire director radar fits in all the books I have) so after thinking about the relative merits of leaving the plastic one in situ or replacing, I carefully sawed the plastic one off and made up the brass replacement. I've also fitted the supports for the Type 285 fire control radars which can be seen fitted atop the two Mk.III HACS (High Angle Control Stations). I need to assemble the Yagi antennae to fit on these mounts.
[img]http://village.photos/images/user/483a5850-3d62-4900-8176-6062170ac842/resized_36082e3b-e044-41d8-951d-2f5dd4ab4358.jpg[/img]
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Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:31 am |
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SovereignHobbies wrote: I've just applied it controversially!  I need to make a few adjustments to the hull, which I shall plan to do by airbrush with brush painting (hawk, spit) as a fall-back. I have managed to get a few bits of the pattern misaligned with the upperworks. Probably the whole thing is a bit off, but I shall make do. I'm just not a very diligent modeller! You're doing great man, keep it up. can't wait to see the final product. Most people wouldn't notice the misaligned stuff, but I know some have the knack for nitpicking in an offensive manner, which is just to be ignored then.  [quote="SovereignHobbies"]I've just applied it controversially! :big_grin:
I need to make a few adjustments to the hull, which I shall plan to do by airbrush with brush painting (hawk, spit) as a fall-back. I have managed to get a few bits of the pattern misaligned with the upperworks. Probably the whole thing is a bit off, but I shall make do. I'm just not a very diligent modeller![/quote]
You're doing great man, keep it up. can't wait to see the final product. Most people wouldn't notice the misaligned stuff, but I know some have the knack for nitpicking in an offensive manner, which is just to be ignored then. :)
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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:00 am |
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EJFoeth wrote: Then why do I keep seeing torquise and blue PoWs now and then!  [quote="EJFoeth"][img]https://i.imgflip.com/35vc1u.jpg[/img][/quote]
Then why do I keep seeing torquise and blue PoWs now and then! :rolf_3:
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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:58 am |
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I've just applied it controversially! I need to make a few adjustments to the hull, which I shall plan to do by airbrush with brush painting (hawk, spit) as a fall-back. I have managed to get a few bits of the pattern misaligned with the upperworks. Probably the whole thing is a bit off, but I shall make do. I'm just not a very diligent modeller! I've just applied it controversially! :big_grin:
I need to make a few adjustments to the hull, which I shall plan to do by airbrush with brush painting (hawk, spit) as a fall-back. I have managed to get a few bits of the pattern misaligned with the upperworks. Probably the whole thing is a bit off, but I shall make do. I'm just not a very diligent modeller!
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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:45 am |
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[img]https://i.imgflip.com/35vc1u.jpg[/img]
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:08 am |
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Im thrilled you build this, it will show off the paints so well. One of these controversial schemes so done right will be great for the community.
Im thrilled you build this, it will show off the paints so well. One of these controversial schemes so done right will be great for the community.
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:23 am |
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That looks great. Nice work on the masking.
That looks great. Nice work on the masking.
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:52 pm |
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Re: Jamie's Flyhawk 1/700 HMS Prince of Wales (December 1941 |
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I always enjoy unmasking:
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:26 pm |
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Lastly the MS4 has been sprayed on.  Lastly the MS4 has been sprayed on.
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:43 pm |
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