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Absolutely stunning work, and amazing artistry on display here!
Absolutely stunning work, and amazing artistry on display here!
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2024 4:01 am |
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pascalemod wrote: Lets not forget through 60 pages that Redoutable here is scratchbuilt.. No, certainly not! It's entirely from scratch! But as for Victory: the good hull was indeed from a resin kit. But Marijn started with carving out the hull completely and building up all of the details, and from there the two ships went almost side by side...
[quote="pascalemod"]Lets not forget through 60 pages that Redoutable here is scratchbuilt..[/quote]
No, certainly not! It's entirely from scratch!
But as for [i]Victory[/i]: the good hull was indeed from a resin kit. But Marijn started with carving out the hull completely and building up all of the details, and from there the two ships went almost side by side...
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 4:18 pm |
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Maarten Schönfeld wrote: marijn van gils wrote: ... And together: The hulls are almost ready now... Now for the first time this picture shows clearly how different the two ships were. Victory was a hefty 'first-rate' three-decker with 104 guns, Redoutable a 'third-rate' two-decker of the Téméraire class with 74 guns . Yes, not much of an underdog the Victory was Lets not forget through 60 pages that Redoutable here is scratchbuilt..
[quote="Maarten Schönfeld"][quote="marijn van gils"]... And together: [img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53566091027_75e895752f_o.jpg[/img] The hulls are almost ready now...[/quote]
Now for the first time this picture shows clearly how different the two ships were. [i]Victory [/i]was a hefty 'first-rate' three-decker with 104 guns, [i]Redoutable[/i] a 'third-rate' two-decker of the Téméraire class with 74 guns .[/quote]
Yes, not much of an underdog the Victory was :heh:
Lets not forget through 60 pages that Redoutable here is scratchbuilt..
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 2:49 pm |
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Thank you very much everyone! That is exactly what I'm trying to do and show! Of course, it all depends on the story one wants to tell. If you want to show the beauty and/or technical aspects of a vessel, a pristine museum-style model is probably the best way. But I like to tell the story of the purpose and use of these ships and (in the first place) the human drama involved, for which this style works better. I don't think one is better than the other, just different. But for some reasons, we don't see too many sailing ships in this style... Maarten Schönfeld wrote: Now for the first time this picture shows clearly how different the two ships were. Victory was a hefty 'first-rate' three-decker with 104 guns, Redoutable a 'third-rate' two-decker with 74 guns of the Téméraire class. Indeed Maarten! And I like them both: the power and mass of the first rate, and the more elegant third rate...
Thank you very much everyone! :smallsmile: :smallsmile: :smallsmile:
That is exactly what I'm trying to do and show! :smallsmile: :cool_1: :smallsmile:
Of course, it all depends on the story one wants to tell. If you want to show the beauty and/or technical aspects of a vessel, a pristine museum-style model is probably the best way. But I like to tell the story of the purpose and use of these ships and (in the first place) the human drama involved, for which this style works better. I don't think one is better than the other, just different. But for some reasons, we don't see too many sailing ships in this style...
[quote="Maarten Schönfeld"]Now for the first time this picture shows clearly how different the two ships were. [i]Victory [/i]was a hefty 'first-rate' three-decker with 104 guns, [i]Redoutable[/i] a 'third-rate' two-decker with 74 guns of the Téméraire class.[/quote] Indeed Maarten! And I like them both: the power and mass of the first rate, and the more elegant third rate... ;)
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 7:42 am |
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marijn van gils wrote: ... And together: The hulls are almost ready now... Now for the first time this picture shows clearly how different the two ships were. Victory was a hefty 'first-rate' three-decker with 104 guns, Redoutable a 'third-rate' two-decker of the Téméraire class with 74 guns .
[quote="marijn van gils"]... And together: [img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53566091027_75e895752f_o.jpg[/img] The hulls are almost ready now...[/quote]
Now for the first time this picture shows clearly how different the two ships were. [i]Victory [/i]was a hefty 'first-rate' three-decker with 104 guns, [i]Redoutable[/i] a 'third-rate' two-decker of the Téméraire class with 74 guns .
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 6:33 am |
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Yes, what a contrast!
It demonstrates clearly how bloody such battles had been.
An intact ship would be certainly look better, but not that dramatic.
Yes, what a contrast!
It demonstrates clearly how bloody such battles had been.
An intact ship would be certainly look better, but not that dramatic.
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:42 am |
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wefalck wrote: What a difference to the polish 'museum' models of these ships we normally see coming off the modelling slips. This give a real-life impression of how it had been at this decisive day Yeah, this is way better than polished museum variants. I havent yet build a rigged ship of the line or a tall ship of any kind in plastic and small scale, but when I do I cant imagine not weathering them. So much story telling there.
[quote="wefalck"]What a difference to the polish 'museum' models of these ships we normally see coming off the modelling slips. This give a real-life impression of how it had been at this decisive day :thumbs_up_1:[/quote]
Yeah, this is way better than polished museum variants. I havent yet build a rigged ship of the line or a tall ship of any kind in plastic and small scale, but when I do I cant imagine not weathering them. So much story telling there.
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:21 am |
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What a difference to the polished 'museum' models of these ships we normally see coming off the modelling slips. This give a real-life impression of how it had been at this decisive day
What a difference to the polished 'museum' models of these ships we normally see coming off the modelling slips. This give a real-life impression of how it had been at this decisive day :thumbs_up_1:
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 4:40 am |
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And EJ is correct indeed (and I'm sure Dafi knew too )! It is a marine, storming through the door to lay down musket fire from the balcony: I plan on adding two more figures near the broken part of the balcony balustrade: one shooting at Victory, and the other reloading his musket. pascalemod wrote: I cant get over studying every details of the hull usually, but now its all the human drama going on really taking its shape. Yes, I really love this too! And a lot of that still needs to be added… But now I will show the hull again, because I realized that it has been some time since I took overall pictures of the complete hulls. Redoutable: Victory: And together: The hulls are almost ready now. The next step is to add coils of rope to all the belaying points. But I’m now weathering the remaining 7 boats first, so meanwhile I can research better which lines go to which belaying point and what is their thickness.
:big_grin: :big_grin: :big_grin:
And EJ is correct indeed (and I'm sure Dafi knew too :big_grin: )! It is a marine, storming through the door to lay down musket fire from the balcony: [img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53581659089_dd4fb1bae5_o.jpg[/img]
I plan on adding two more figures near the broken part of the balcony balustrade: one shooting at Victory, and the other reloading his musket.
[quote="pascalemod"]I cant get over studying every details of the hull usually, but now its all the human drama going on really taking its shape.[/quote] Yes, I really love this too! And a lot of that still needs to be added… ;) But now I will show the hull again, because I realized that it has been some time since I took overall pictures of the complete hulls.
Redoutable: [img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53567259779_d1750054c7_o.jpg[/img]
[img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53566939801_844a407217_o.jpg[/img]
[img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53567137223_9d5a7ddea7_o.jpg[/img]
[img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53567137458_c364168c67_o.jpg[/img]
Victory: [img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53567137788_fcd3436838_o.jpg[/img]
[img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53566086692_af9fa926ff_o.jpg[/img]
[img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53566941076_962476bc9a_o.jpg[/img]
[img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53567261444_3021b22093_o.jpg[/img]
And together: [img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53566091027_75e895752f_o.jpg[/img]
The hulls are almost ready now. The next step is to add coils of rope to all the belaying points. But I’m now weathering the remaining 7 boats first, so meanwhile I can research better which lines go to which belaying point and what is their thickness.
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 3:20 am |
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What amazing progress this. I cant get over studying every details of the hull usually, but now its all the human drama going on really taking its shape.
What amazing progress this. I cant get over studying every details of the hull usually, but now its all the human drama going on really taking its shape.
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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 3:59 pm |
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Ha! Once again EJ trumps us all !! ( though I nodded silently in agreement with previous comments! .......) I dare say while locked in battle pounding out broadsides at 8 feet range, the broken glass maybe is not the priority, but you never know.... JB
Ha! Once again EJ trumps us all !!
( though I nodded silently in agreement with previous comments! .......)
I dare say while locked in battle pounding out broadsides at 8 feet range, the broken glass maybe is not the priority, :heh: but you never know....
JB :wave_1:
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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 10:28 am |
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If we're talking about this guy I would call that a rifle...
If we're talking about this guy I would call that a rifle...
[img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53566084582_9c20e5babd_o.jpg[/img]
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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:44 am |
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EJFoeth wrote: Wouldn't recommend that brush to do any house cleaning though Also: more kind words. Well, it would be more accurate to call it a broom instead of a brush. https://startsafety.uk/brooms-brushes#:~:text=Many%20people%20use%20the%20terms,and%20is%20used%20single%2Dhandedly.
[quote="EJFoeth"]Wouldn't recommend that brush to do any house cleaning though :heh:
Also: more kind words. :wave_1:[/quote] Well, it would be more accurate to call it a broom instead of a brush. [url]https://startsafety.uk/brooms-brushes#:~:text=Many%20people%20use%20the%20terms,and%20is%20used%20single%2Dhandedly.[/url]
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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:27 am |
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This guy is a marine and marine wore boots at that time, I believe - but I wonder what an ordinary sailor would have done there with the shards on the floor (ok, there were facing more serious threats at that moment ...).
Perhaps, this would be also a good reason to use mica/muscovite for the glazing instead of glass. Mica doesn't give sharp shards when broken and is a lot softer (among the softest minerals around).
This guy is a marine and marine wore boots at that time, I believe - but I wonder what an ordinary sailor would have done there with the shards on the floor (ok, there were facing more serious threats at that moment ...).
Perhaps, this would be also a good reason to use mica/muscovite for the glazing instead of glass. Mica doesn't give sharp shards when broken and is a lot softer (among the softest minerals around).
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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 5:44 am |
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Wouldn't recommend that brush to do any house cleaning though Also: more kind words.
Wouldn't recommend that brush to do any house cleaning though :heh:
Also: more kind words. :wave_1:
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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:46 am |
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dafi wrote: I simply looooove the guy with the brush sweeping the shards on the balcony away! XXXDAn Yes! Fully agree.
[quote="dafi"]I simply looooove the guy with the brush sweeping the shards on the balcony away!
:heh: :heh: :heh:
XXXDAn[/quote] Yes! Fully agree. :thumbs_up_1:
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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:45 am |
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I simply looooove the guy with the brush sweeping the shards on the balcony away! XXXDAn
I simply looooove the guy with the brush sweeping the shards on the balcony away!
:heh: :heh: :heh:
XXXDAn
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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 3:44 am |
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Thank you Devin! I'm looking forward to seeing you again too at SMC! :smallsmile: :wave_1: :smallsmile: :wave_1:
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:55 pm |
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Astounding work, as always. I've run out of superlatives. Looking forward to seeing this in person again this fall.
Astounding work, as always. I've run out of superlatives. Looking forward to seeing this in person again this fall.
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Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2024 11:03 am |
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Thank you very much for your kind words everyone! :smallsmile: :cool_1: :smallsmile:
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Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:29 am |
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