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Topic review - 1/700 Kinugasa at Savo (Hasegawa + Shelf Oddity Extreme Set)
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pascalemod wrote:
Any insight into work behind the tastefully made plaques for the stands?
Sorry for overseeing/misunderstanding your question - I checked the forum only briefly while being on vacations. It´s actually very simple (but less easily repeatable) - I´ve had some room left on the sheet when ordering my first photo etching trial, so I used it for these plagues for my current collection and some planned future builds. I then sprayed them with a thin layer of black paint and carefully sanded the paint off the embossed frame and letters. Finally a sprayed them with a gloss coat from a rattle can. I am glad you like them!
Post Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:50 pm
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Dear Mucho,

thank you, that sounds interesting, let´s see! Once again, thanks for all the help and advice you so kindly provided to me!

Vladi
Post Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:39 pm
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Dear Vladi,
I got your mail today. thanks a lot.
If ArtBox co.of Japan may take interest in your models, they will be mailing for further contact . They used to publish "Navy Yard", "Model Grafics" i.e.1/700 related modelships magazines in the homeland. A staff in my acquaintance & friend also works for co-editing work of the Model Art co. They are namely about to publish a special(?) edition, november, this year. In a tight shcedule affeced by the pandemic.though.

sincerely,
mutsuo S.
Post Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:01 pm
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Thanks to all your praise and comments!

The upgrade set is really nice, it provided almost everything I needed as mentioned above. The 3D printed parts resin is a bit fragile as usual, you need to be carefull when handling those parts, especially those exquisite 25mm barrels, but there are plenty spare provided. The PE sheets again provide more than you need, especially for a 1942 build of course, and include even ropes to be placed on the deck etc. The brass is thinner (I guess 0.15mm) than e.g. sets provided by Fujimi or others, but that´s great as those parts are much more to scale. Nothing for a PE beginner though, but I guess only really sado-masochistic beginner would decide to try this set anyway :big_grin:

As for the Hasegawa kit, you actually don´t need much more than the hull, some lower bridge parts and boats. Everything else is provided by Shelf Oddity in a much finer detail.

Is there anything special you´d like to know?
Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:55 am
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Any insight into work behind the tastefully made plaques for the stands?
Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:38 am
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Really great Collection.

Greetings Christian
Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 2:53 am
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:thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:31 am
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Big thanks to all of you, I am happy you like how she turned out!

Now I´d need Pit-Road to come up with their new mold Yubari as exhibited some time ago, the last IJN class at Savo not represented in my collection yet ;)

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Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:08 am
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The outstanding photography clearly shows how beautiful everything turned out. Congrats on a really terrific presentation. :nod_2:
Post Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:54 am
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Agreed, exquisite work. Great that you've finished both she and Chicago for this anniversary.
Post Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:12 pm
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Exquisite work! Came out nice and soft colour wise, in scale. Good sea also!
Post Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:32 pm
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Excellent! I think is the best one you've done yet. Nice job, getting both her and Chicago done for the anniversary.
Post Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:49 pm
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Congratulations! Very impressive!
Post Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:17 am
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Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce to you Kinugasa, completed just in time for the 78th anniversary of the Battle of Savo Island!

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Kinugasa was the fourth heavy cruiser in Admiral Mikawa´s column dashing into the Savo Sound after midnight of August 9th, 1942. She joined the devastating cannonade at HMAS Canberra and fired four torpedoes on her, none of them hit. She was the probable target of torpedoes fired by USS Bagley that might have hit Canberra´s starboard side and sealed her fate. Kinugasa briefly engaged USS Chicago and obtained a hit on enemy´s foremast, causing light damage, and then she continued towards the Northern group. She was hit by one of the few shells fired by USS Vincennes that damaged her steering engines so she had to steer by main engines for a while, but paid back dearly with multiple hits on Vincennes and Astoria.

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Kinugasa is shown firing her first salvos on the American Northern Group while her aft guns and starboard fire their last shells on the Southern Force. She´s got no floatplanes on board as the IJN doctrine called for flying them away before entering combat. She flies white sleeves on her foremast for recognition in the night battle as mentioned by several Japanese sources.
I´ve been very generously offered to test the excellent Shelf Oddity Kinugasa/Aoba detail set designed by Greg Moczko (blacman). The set was really extraordinary and contained almost everything a modeller could dream of. It replaced most of the original Hasegawa kit as documented above in this thread. I provided some hopefully useful feedback to Greg, most of what he kindly accepted for his current version. The only area where my model differs more significantly is the aft bridge, for which I designed some custom PE parts based on the valuable input of Mutsuo Sasaki.

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After-market parts:
  • Shelf Oddity IJN Kinugasa/Aoba Premium Detail Set and 0.06mm Rigging Metal Wire
  • 3dmodelparts Naval Figures (from various sets)
  • Miscellaneous minor Flyhawk, Rainbow etc. PE parts
The model was airbrushed using Lifecolor Kure Grey and Linoleum paints, Tamiya Hull Red and weathered with artistic oil paints.

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References:

Special thanks to:
  • Greg Moczko for kindly allowing me to test his Kinugasa Detail Set
  • Mutsuo Sasaki and Dan Kaplan for their insights on the Aoba class

Please see my Flickr album for more hi-res photos. Your comments and constructive criticism is indeed welcome. Thanks for watching!

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:19 am
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I have to intention to built Bismarck. But there is anyway a difference between a model of a historic ship and a company today, which had chosen long after 1945 to start to use the Nazi-propaganda-style for its name and logo. The later is obviously very problematic.
Post Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:11 am
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Quote:
Uschi's brand logo is already a nazi propaganda poster.


@ Maxim...when you built BB Bismark etc. what do you do ?
Post Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:54 am
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Thanks, guys!

Jim, thanks for your point, you are indeed right... I will think about how to improve that. Not sure if there should be any support on the top of the catapult. But straightening the PE part would be cumbersome, too.

BTW I hope the flag looks more reallistic here than that on my Yunagi, as you pointed out last time - I took your advice ;). It can´t be really seen well on these shots, so at least the white sleeves.
Post Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:55 pm
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Its all looking pretty good...

but I have one small issue--
and I hope you understand what I mean( of course you may have solved the issue already and In have not seen it! :big_grin:

in this image of your below-- the crane boom( PE ) rigging is shown hanging slackly

which is fine IF there is a support under the boom--then the rigging can hang.

BUT--if there is no support underneath-the weight of the crane boom would pull the rigging into a straight line
I hope that makes sense
Were it my model--at this stage--I would add a small support or tripod underneath the boom ...

best wishes
Jim Baumann

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:44 pm
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Excellent work!
Post Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:33 pm
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So here am I with some experience already after rigging two ships with the wire. The clear advantages are as blacman noted above. Most of all I liked the ease of installation with no need to drill holes to fasten monofilament to funnels etc. Also the sagging effect looks great when done properly after some trial and error attempts. This can be seen on the overhead view below - while the port side flag leads look good to me, the starboard side will need some more adjustment.

The slight disadvantage is that the 0.06mm wire is a bit overscale for antennae in 1/700. Corresponding to 42mm diameter in reality it is pretty ok for standing wires like those vertical stays securing funnels or masts in their place, but overscale for antenna wires that would be perhaps 1-2 centimeters in diameter. I considered combining the wire for stays with 20 den UNI Caenis for the thinner stuff, but then decided that I´d like to try the sagging effect for the thinner wires, too.

Some more details are to be done but matt varnish and seabase are the most important steps on the list.


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