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Topic review - 1/48 German Torpedo boat V105 (1914)
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  Post subject:  Re: 1/48 German Torpedo boat V105 (1914)  Reply with quote
Looks good cruising at speed with the smoke!
Post Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:34 pm
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POST SCRIPT

I eventually got round to getting some on the water footage of the model, not taken by me but kindly supplied by "Marine Mole" . I have added it as a post script to the build for those who are interested.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-R-voO ... detailpage

Post Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:10 pm
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Timmy

Thanks for the prompt reply.

Yes I'm happy for it to go in the Documented section.

Thanks to whoever does this task.
Post Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:23 pm
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Just post that you want it moved and we can take care of that for you.

I think there's enough in here that it can go into the Documented section. Though not as in-depth as some of the others, it does provide some insights into the building process, materials, and methods that go beyond just a smattering of photos of the completed product.
Post Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:16 pm
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Hi all

The Kazarski Torpedo Gun Boat (1890) progresses slowly. I became side tracked by building a RN Picket boat at 1/48th scale, see this link viewtopic.php?f=13&t=155299 ).


I am not sure if this build for the German torpedo boat should be moved to completed builds before it gets lost?

(a) I'm not sure if the build or text quality justifies it.

(b) If it does how do you go about it


Any ones observations would be appreciated.
Post Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:06 pm
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I have enjoyed your build and I am looking forward to your Kazarski Class torpedo boat build . :cool_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
Post Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 6:41 am
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Hi all

Well that just about completes this build. I have attached more pictures of the finished model together with some taken by “marine mole” at a GRMBC model boat event in Glasgow. Here the model was seen by many for the first time, and it was where some of the best "on the water" pictures were taken. Many thanks to "marine mole" for these.

From a model making point I have enjoyed this (my first) on line build a lot, and have appreciated the interest shown and encouraging comments from watchers. If anyone wants close up pictures of particular deck detail to help with their own V105 to V108 build (in what ever scale), please contact me and I will try and help. I would also like to thank the other contributors to this forum who helped such a lot with my initial research for the model.

The next scratch build, (1/48th scale Russian Kazarski class torpedo gun boat of 1890), is under way and I will start an on line build for this too, as soon as I have made a little headway and sorted out the pictures. I will probably start this when I have taken the first GRP hull out of the mould as the lead up to that point is an identical re run of the plug and mould construction for this model and as such I would be repeating myself.

Happy modelling out there.


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File comment: Completed V105 model on display stand.
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File comment: Completed V105 model on display stand.
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File comment: V105 at a GRMBC meeting. The armed schooner in the background is one of my earlier models.
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File comment: V105 at a GRMBC meeting. The armed schooner in the background is one of my earlier models.
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File comment: Getting ready to sail. The removable rudder extension has been clipped into place. This will make the model more controllable in confined waters.
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File comment: V105 -Sleek low and menacing.
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File comment: PICKETBOAT launches his German torpedo boat V105 (1914) and manages not to fall in!
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File comment: V105 picking up speed.
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File comment: V105 making smoke.
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Post Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 12:34 pm
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pool of bright gold


I'm all ears! :big_grin:

Great results so far, might be using this trick for some stuff as well! Great little ship you built there.
Post Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 3:43 pm
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Timmy C

I forgot to say I also found if you depress the nib (on the larger nib pens) a few times it squirts out a little pool of bright gold. If you do this onto a non absorbent surface, it can then be brush applied to tiny components. Cellulose thinner can be used if the solvent content starts to evaporate off and the gold gets a bit sticky, and for cleaning the pen nibs.
The pens are not that expensive and if you don't like the end result they are quite good for signing Christmas cards!
Post Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 3:52 am
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Nice find on those pens! I might try them on my next full-hull model for the props.
Post Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 4:05 pm
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Hi all

Well this build is rapidly reaching its conclusion.
After the vessel ID number and the draft markings had been added (both self adhesive from BECC) the model was de-dusted and carefully sprayed with dilute polyurethane matt finish varnish. This pulls all the different paint finishes together and makes everything water resistant.
There is very little in the way of “Fancy bits” on these vessels, they were very functional, but I figured the crew would keep the compass binnacle polished, along with the telegraphs and possibly the searchlight bezel.
I have discovered these wonderful, spirit based, gold marker pens made by “Pilot”. They come in three nib sizes and I used one to give the brass colour to these fittings. The gold colour is bright and stays bright as long as you do not varnish over it. They are fantastic for adding gold lines to a model. The silver version is good too.

In my next and concluding post to this build I shall include some more pictures of the completed model both on and off the water.


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File comment: I decided that the searchlight bezel would have been polished brass.
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File comment: The white ID number and draft markings were self adhesive supplied by BECC.
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File comment: These gold and silver marker pens are easy to use and give a bright, long lasting waterproof finish. Here I have used them on some of my fittings.
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Post Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 3:36 pm
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Hi all

Although the majority of the deck detail and painting is completed at this stage I still had not completely finished installing the smoke units.
Getting the model to produce a reasonable amount of smoke on the water was all part of bringing the model to life. I had gained some experience in this area when building HMS Velox.
There is insufficient space or buoyancy in the model to install one of the water vapour units so I used the Graupner 6V smoke units, fitting one in each funnel casing.
A small fan is essential to very gently push the smoke out. I made my own fan unit initially but it was amazingly noisy so I replaced it with a 12V laptop cooling fan. This is powered by its own 4.8V supply, and the slight draft from the fan is ducted via 20mm plastic conduit to the funnel bases.
The 6V smoke units work well on 7.2V (producing more smoke) but this will probably invalidate any warranty and I cannot accept any responsibility if you go down this road and burn your model to the waterline! Always use the Graupner smoke oil as anything with a lower flashpoint is dangerous. Bench test everything thoroughly before installing it. Having said all this the smoke units, and there are three in HMS Velox, have been working faultlessly on 7.2V for several years.

Everyone who sees the model sail usually comments at some point on how effective the smoke is, and I have shown the installation diagrams for this equipment for those interested.


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File comment: The diagrammatic layout of the smoke unit installation.
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File comment: The wiring layout for the smoke units.
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File comment: V105 making smoke. In strong wind no smoke unit is very effective but this set up seems the best.
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Post Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 4:03 am
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Sandy

Many thanks for taking and posting this great photo of HMS Velox at Glasgow. It was good to meet you eventually.

I would start a "1/48th HMS Velox Scratch build" topic, but the model is now three years old and my photographic record of the build was not very detailed. It would not be as interesting to look at/read as this V105 build and there would be huge gaps in the construction process which would just confuse people.

Your picture does not convey how windy it actually was. I saw the harbour jetty in the picture break free from it's moorings three times and turn into a big navigational hazard!
Post Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 6:22 pm
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Hi Steve,

Really ice to se you yesterday at the Start of Season sail.

HMS Velox certainly handled the gusty conditions better than a lot of other, more modern warships. Here she is passing through the (mobile) harbour.

Image

All the best
Sandy
Post Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 9:19 am
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really a most lovely model--with much fine craftsmanship!

:thumbs_up_1:

JIM B :wave_1:
Post Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 5:22 pm
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Hi all


The rigging on this model is made up of different materials, depending on (A) what I am trying to replicate in miniature, (B) the properties I need, or are trying to avoid in the rigging threat.

Nylon fisherman’s mono filament is good for things like the funnel support cables. Shorter lengths, where the cable can be pulled tight are a good use for this material. Passing it through a folded piece of fine sandpaper ensures superglue and paint adhere to it better. It is hopeless for situations where you need the cable or rope to hang in a curve, created by gravity, as it has a natural tendency to curl up. Here traditional hemp or cotton thread is best. This should be pre-prepared, stained and waxed.

The WT aerials on V105 needed to be kept taught, but also needed to be partly dismantled as I have described previously. Here I used fine cotton coated elastic from the haberdashers. It is white, but the cotton outer layer takes stain and acrylic paint well.

Sometimes you need to create a distinct downward curve, for example the operating cord for the steam whistle. Fine lead wire (used for tying fishing flies) is good for shorter lengths and tight curves.


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File comment: Here the taught support wires for the funnel and the stove chimney are made of mono filament. The steam whistle cable is fine lead wire.
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File comment: Here is the forward mast. The WT aerial wire can be seen running aft to the other mast.
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File comment: This is the WT aerial wires where they attach to the aft mast
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File comment: There are two steadying lines with insulators, which run from the deck to the aerial. These have small wire hooks and can be disconnected.
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File comment: Each of the triangular wire frames has a hook attached so that it also can be disconnected.
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Post Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 12:53 pm
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moomoon

Yes that's right I went with the cortecene deck finish for HMS Velox. I used Humbrol ref:186 which matched up pretty closely with the underside of a chunk of Edwardian linolium I came across. I painted all the "walked on" deck area that colour, but the boiler room roof was painted black.
I believe the cortecene was laid in bands (width unsure but probably between 3 and 4 feet), probably stuck down to the steel deck with some sort of tar or pitch like substance, the edges held down by brass strips and countersunk brass set screws. In hindsight it might have been good to put these brass strips on the model as painted brass lines on the deck, but lacking any accurate info on them I didn't bother in the end.

Anyone having more accurate info please let me know for future reference.

Below are pictures of the bridge and deck of my HMS Velox model (1/48th scale) and a contemporary shipyard model of HMS Cobra (?) held at the Newcastle Museum. The colours of these shipyard models can be a guide line but should under no circumstances be used as hard and fast reference for lots of reasons.


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File comment: HMS Velox model, deck and bridge detail.
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File comment: Shipyard model from the early 20th century. Probably HMS Cobra.
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Post Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:37 pm
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Very nice Velox too! :thumbs_up_1:
What color did you use for her deck, red/brown for corticene?
Post Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:48 am
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Hi all


As the painting of the model reached its conclusion, I started on the mast construction. The masts were installed very near the end of the build for obvious reasons. They are strong enough to stand any normal use on the water, but it is very easy to get things hooked round them and do a lot of damage, plus they get in the way during the painting.

This model was the first I had built that depicted radio (WT) aerials, so I had to think how this “cobweb” could be partly disconnected to allow the removable deck section to be lifted off.

My previous model HMS Velox was built as launched, and at that time (1904), communicated via flag signal, so the small mast and associated rigging did not present a problem.

I decided that the aft mast on V105 would be fixed in the deck and stay there on the model. This was stepped into a section of aluminium tube secured in the non removable deck section. The smaller forward mast, stepped just aft of the bridge, would be glued in place the same way, but would obviously lift off with the bridge and removable deck section. All rigging to the forward mast therefore had to be either self contained within the removable section or be disconnected from the rest of the model.

The masts and spars were made up from some light, straight grained and strong “Western Red Cedar”. These were run up on the miniature circular saw, then carefully planed (with a finely set miniature block plane, flat on the work bench) first into a round cross section, then given the appropriate taper. They were finished with fine sand paper. The pictures show the mast components during manufacture.

The picture of V105 in its transportation/storage box gives a light coloured background so the rigging is easier to see. The arrows indicate where the rigging unhooks.

More on masting and rigging next post.


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File comment: HMS Velox at 1/48th scale. No WT gear was fitted when she was launched, hence she just has a signal mast.
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File comment: The basic mast components for the two masts on V105. These are made from red cedar.
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File comment: The smaller components for the mast assemblies. The small white discs are the pulley sheaves.
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File comment: V105 in its storage/transportation box. The masts and rigging (WT aerials) show up a little clearer. The arrows indicate the points where the rigging unhooks.
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Post Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:05 am
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Jimmy


Thanks for inserting this link and thanks for the compliment.

I had already discovered it and used it as one of the sources for drawing up my own plans.

A great picture of Kazub making serious smoke!

The pictures also show how I got the smaller ventilators shape wrong! I will put it right on my model, and have already amended the plans.
Post Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:24 am

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