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by **Rick_H** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:38 am

In the US Navy, the rope indeed is called the "sea painter". Perhaps not named that way in HM Navy?

It should be made up to the inboard cleat on the boat, and it looks as if Michael has it that way.

And I agree that it is an outstanding build.
Rick

by **largeallan** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:47 pm

I love this build, its about as good as it gets and hard to believe its such a small scale.

I wouldn't call that rope a 'painter' though....the painter stays with the seaboat.....the rope I believe you're talking about is known in the RN as a 'boat rope'.....nit-picking I know

by **Michael Potter** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:11 pm

Thank you for these nice comments! I do appreciate them.

This model is actually still in progress. In this photo, the boats are re-arranged so that they are carried on the
correct sides of the ship. Since this photo, I have shortened the painter to the starboard boat.

She still needs the emergency conn position added on the amidships deckhouse, and may get re-rigged with
thinner halyards. I also hope to build a water base, which will be another "first" for me.

Norman Friedman's new book British Destroyers and Frigates (London: Chatham, 2006), 176�78, gives interesting
background information about this design. I am pleased that nothing needs changing in this model.

Other RN models in early progress include a type 15 frigate and a Leander-class frigate (batch 2 modernization:
Exocet, Seacat, Lynx). As with Barrosa, I am in contact with veterans of the actual ships. Also I have two
never-were post-war RN designs started but they have lower priority.

by **Dave Wooley** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:37 am

Hi Mike My congratulations on a very fine piece of work What next?
Dave Wooley

by **Rob** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:50 am

Mike,

This is wonderful.

Cheers,

Rob

by **mike mccabe** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:00 pm

Mike
Excellent job on Barrosa, very good looking model you have there.

Mike

by **Neptune** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:42 am

That is indeed quite a result you got there! Excellent!

Regards
Roel

by **Pieter** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:17 am

Absolutely brilliant. May I suggest you take a long and serious look at the airfix Devonshire and/or Victorious?

by **Michael Potter** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:16 am

Mahogany item alongside #3 deckhouse is a folded accommodation ladder.
White structure atop #2 deckhouse is a ventilation duct.

by **Michael Potter** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:11 am

Signal halyards are in place on the foremast.

by **Michael Potter** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:07 am

Ready for rigging. I'll practice modeling a base of simulated water first on some other model.

by **Michael Potter** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:03 pm

If anyone knows I would also appreciate any info on a ship mounting a triple launcher
which I saw many years ago in Portsmouth, looked British built, probably Vickers.

Iran's Saam-class and the ASW frigates of Brazil's Niteroi class fit the description.
Maybe other exported warships, too.

by **middle_watch** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:03 am

Agreed, not a Battle, too many things wrong, has to be the CA class. As a matter of interest I am also researching seacats on the Ark, although every reference says fitted "for but not with" there is an LP released at the time of the TV series "Sailor" set aboard the post war Ark Royal and it includes sound bytes as well as music. Very clearly in one section set in the Ops Room you hear the warfare officer order "Take with Birds" during an air raid excercise, that is code for Seacat. Taking things a bit far when you pretend you have weapons you do not!

If anyone knows I would also appreciate any info on a ship mounting a triple launcher which I saw many years ago in Portsmouth, looked British built, probably Vickers. (Not Tigercat, they are mounted side by side, this was in a triangle configuration)

by **Michael Potter** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:03 pm

I edited my response 2 messages up to add the Rothesay class to the GWS-20 population, and the Ca-class destroyers. Peter Hodges didn't cite the Ca class, probably because they were gone at the time he wrote.

The foreground ship in your photo doesn't match Corunna in To Sail No More, vol. 2, which
shows her from the port quarter en route to a breaker. The Seacat launcher on Corunna and
the other Battle-class DDRs sat on a wider deck than in the photo. A Squid magazine extended aft
of the Seacat launcher but this ship has nets.

That said, I don't know which ship she is, and will be interested in your research!

by **middle_watch** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:35 pm

Kewl! I believe the inboard ship is supposed to be the Corunna and clearly that is a manual control panel as for the GWS-20. Will have to dig deeper!

My 1978 Janes Fighting ships (a joining up present that irredemiably got me the nickname of "Anchor Face") lists GWS-20 on the Rothesay class also but the Battles are not listed.

Keep up the good work!

by **Michael Potter** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:19 am

Good eye! GWS-20 was the small director for Seacat. Peter Hodges in Warship volume II (reprint of Warship 7) says
GWS-20 was aboard these RN ships:

Leander-class frigate Naiad as built;
AS type 12 Rothesay class (after modernization around 1970);AD type 61 frigates Salisbury and Lincoln;
LPDs Fearless and Intrepid;
[also the Ca-class destroyers after modernization but they were gone when Hodges wrote his article.]

Barrosa mounted a GWS-21 Seacat director, based on the close-range blind-fire director (CRBFD) with radar type 262.
According to Peter Hodges as above, RN ships with GWS-21 included:

the Battle-class DDRs;
GP type 81 Tribal-class;
First 4 County-class DLGs.

I believe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Cat_missile is incorrect about GWS-21. Instead its caption for
GWS-21 describes GWS-22, as does its caption for GWS-22.

Which ships appear in your nice photo? The foreground ship is an ASW type 12 frigate, I think, with a GWS-20 director.
The enclosed cockpit above it is actually the MRS Mk3 director aboard the Leander-class frigate in the background.

This is GWS-21 with its canvas cover (the "pram hood"?) closed, aboard Barrosa:

by **middle_watch** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:56 am

Nice work! But is that a CRBDF for the Seacat? I believe that although it defies logic the CRBDF was removed and the far less effective manual director for GWS-20 fitted on all converted Battles. Be interested to hear if I am wrong.

by **Michael Potter** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:06 am

New this weekend! All custom:
six life rafts on stanchions (two more needed)
signal lamps on bridge wings
RF receiver antennas
ventilators
aft catwalks

by **Laurence Batchelor** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:27 am

Thats Great News Mike, I'm glad I could be of service

It doesn't surprise that not many RN subjects win over there, but yours is truely special.

I hope you will continue to model RN warships in the future

by **Michael Potter** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:39 pm

With British 1p and 5p coins, and US 1� and 10� coins.

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Thanks for the nice comments

Beautiful

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Triple launcher for Seacat

Mystery ship

Seacat GWS-21 director

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Port side view of Barrosa as entered at IPMS-SD