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Re: Calling all Brooklyn-class (CL-40) fans

by TZoli » Mon Mar 30, 2026 2:06 am

I've also made a drawing of St. Louis as commissioned in 1939 with the likeliest spots for the 0.5" Browning Machine Guns.
https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/US ... 1313001544
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Re: Calling all USS Brooklyn/Helena class (CL) fans

by TZoli » Mon Mar 23, 2026 5:49 am

Okay, I've fixed the Mark 33 directors (Able to find a 3D model and 3 views here: https://www.swordfishmodels.com/product ... ly-version ) and the widened hull post 1945:
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Re: Calling all USS Brooklyn/Helena class (CL) fans

by Dick J » Sat Mar 21, 2026 9:11 pm

https://www.navsource.net/archives/04/034/0403412.jpg
The link goes to an image of the MK-28 director on the Astoria. The MK-33 was essentially a MK-28 with power drives. Because of the power drives, the MK-33 could carry more weight, like radar, wind baffles or getting fully enclosed. The MK-28 was hand cranked, and so limiting weight was critical for it to be maneuvered fast enough to track the aircraft it was targeting. But externally, the two director types were visually similar.

Re: Calling all USS Brooklyn/Helena class (CL) fans

by maxim » Sat Mar 21, 2026 7:43 am

Yes, the bulges are up to the level of the upper deck going up from the waterline in something like a 90° angle. In effect, the entire hull is widened.

As Dick J wrote, Brooklyn, Philadelphia, Savannah, and Honolulu got them.

There is a 1/700 kit of Philadelphia with these bulges:
https://www.nikomodel.pl/index.php/PL/2 ... iladelphia

and of Savannah:
https://www.nikomodel.pl/index.php/PL/2 ... cl-42-1944

Here my Savannah compared to Nashville:
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And Savannah, Nashville and Helena:
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USS Savannah (1/700, Niko Model)

Re: Calling all USS Brooklyn/Helena class (CL) fans

by TZoli » Sat Mar 21, 2026 7:33 am

I thought they got a simple Torpedo Bulge but as I did not seen on any photo the characteristic bulges I thought this was an error. So the entire hull is widened???

Also I cannot find any drawings of the open Mark 33 director, and all photos I've seen either not show the ship from aerial view to see the top of the AA directors, too far away or not high quality photo to notice anything or already shows the closed director.

Re: Calling all USS Brooklyn/Helena class (CL) fans

by maxim » Sat Mar 21, 2026 2:28 am

Here a view of the three Chilean cruisers in 1978 - on the right is O'Higgins (ex USS Brooklyn) with the much wider hull because of the torpedo blisters compared to her sistership Capitán Prat (ex Nashville) without them in the middle.
Almirante Latorre, Prat, O’Higgins (Ende 1970er).jpg
Here, you can see the positions of the 5" gun tubes relative to the hull side because of the wider hull of O'Higgins. Also clearly visible is the rear of the torpedo blister:
OHiggins (1951).jpg
The rear of the torpedo blister is also visible here:
O'Higgins (1974).jpg

Re: Calling all USS Brooklyn/Helena class (CL) fans

by Dick J » Fri Mar 20, 2026 5:48 pm

You do beautiful work, but I do have a couple of nitpicks. First, as built, the first 4 Brooklyn's had the open topped version of the MK-33 director. The later 3 were built with the fully enclosed MK-33's. CL's 40, 41 & 43 had the fully enclosed version installed in 1943 (whether new equipment or a conversion of the original directors, I don't know.) Savannah had the open topped directors when she was hit by the Fritz-X, and was rebuilt with MK-37's. Brooklyn and Philadelphia had the hull blisters installed in 1945, but didn't have the 5" gun/MK-37 upgrade that Savannah and Honolulu received. That can be seen in the main deck 5" gun tubs which no longer extended beyond the hull sides.

Re: Calling all USS Brooklyn/Helena class (CL) fans

by TZoli » Fri Mar 20, 2026 4:03 pm

These are my drawings on USS Brooklyn/O'Higgins trough the years:
1937:
https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/US ... 1310354109
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Late 1941/Early 1942-ish:
https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/US ... 1310728290
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Late 1942:
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Mid 1943:
https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/US ... 1311087366
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Around 1945:
https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/US ... 1311459216
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In Chilean Service:
https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Ch ... 1311814037
In 1951/52:
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1963:
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1978:
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Re: Calling all USS Brooklyn/Helena class (CL) fans

by TZoli » Sun Feb 22, 2026 2:19 am

Looks like my reply disappeared in one of the error and sql error pages the site is having.

Yes I've noticed their colour sxheme is something like a light haze grey one which is basically white in very good light conditions, so I will stay with that. Fortunately there are colour photos of her in the 1980's showing the colour mix of the camo pattern.

Re: Calling all USS Brooklyn/Helena class (CL) fans

by maxim » Fri Feb 20, 2026 11:46 am

The camouflage pattern was added in 1978, when Chile expected a war with Argentina. The military dictatorship in Argentina planed an invasion of Chile for the 22th of December 1978 (Operation Soberanía). The plan was stopped hours before the war would have started.

Therefore, in 1978, most Chilean warships had such camouflage patterns.

I do not know the answer for the earlier paint pattern - it was a very light grey.

Re: Calling all USS Brooklyn/Helena class (CL) fans

by TZoli » Fri Feb 20, 2026 11:38 am

I've done drawing USS Brooklyn in US service showing her 1937, 42, 43 and 45 states (based on the very few photos) and I continued with the 1950's state with the Chilean Navy. Does anybody have any idea on the Chilean Navy Cold War colour scheme? I also know that in the 1980's she got a WW2-esque camouflage scheme though no idea why.

Re: Calling all USS Brooklyn/Helena class (CL) fans

by TZoli » Thu Jan 22, 2026 5:03 pm

Thanks, any HD or higher res of the last two images?

Re: Calling all USS Brooklyn/Helena class (CL) fans

by Rick E Davis » Thu Jan 22, 2026 4:48 pm

Your estimated dates are mixed.

First image is likely taken during Operation Torch in November 1942 when Ms 22 was common for Atlantic Fleet units. Not 1941 or early 1942. Navsource dates this image with USS SUWANNEE (CVE-27) as early 1942 as well.

Second image likely is dated from 1945. She had a major yard update and overhaul at New York Navy Yard 1 December 1944 to early April 1945. She is still in Ms 22 and has newer radar and more 40-mm mounts. I have an image of her dated in July 1945, in MS 22 camo.

Third image is easy, dated as being taken on 26 May 1942, entering Hampton Roads, VA. She is still painted in Ms 12R(mod).

Fourth image dates from the early to mid 1942 period when she was in MS 12R(mod) camo. Navsource says this is a LIFE photo taken during an Atlantic Convoy.

Read the captions of the images you find on Navsource and check DANFS for clues about her movements.

Re: Calling all USS Brooklyn/Helena class (CL) fans

by TZoli » Thu Jan 22, 2026 7:44 am

I'm not sure when these photos were taken about Brooklyn.
This might be late 1941/early 1942:
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Simple paint scheme I presume the dark blue on the hull
20mm Oerlikons on platforms added above the 3rd turret surrounding the conning tower
first pair of quad 1,1" might or might not installed yet above and behind the forward 5" guns
The escort carrier obstructs the view on the aft part but as only one crane is equipped it is likely the aft pair of 1,1" quads are installed already
Splinter shields for the 5" guns
Radars on the main gun directors forward and aft.
Looks like radars on the AA directors as well

This might not be 1942, more likely 1943 or even 1945 with the extensive AA, Boforses Oerlikons and what looks like SOC on the catapults?
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The next two images are sadly at lower quality but likely shows mid-late 1942 state with a camouflage pattern:
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Same equipment and changes as on the first image, more 20mm Oerlikons visible especially two between the 4th 5" gun and aft 1,1" quad platform,
1-2 near the 4th 6" turret
Directors for the 1,1" quads on the uppermost platforms forward and aft, possibly the 0,5" Brownings there got replaced with 20mm Oerlikons.
Not sure how many were installed, some source states 8 if that is true then 6 of them are on the main deck.
All 6" turrets have lifeboats stored on them

Re: Calling all USS Brooklyn/Helena class (CL) fans

by FFG-7 » Wed Jan 21, 2026 1:10 pm

what about the 1st link as it might have the info you are looking for?

Re: Calling all USS Brooklyn/Helena class (CL) fans

by TZoli » Wed Jan 21, 2026 10:59 am

Thanks, but the navsource archive page does not load
Edit: now works

I know these photos from navsource but it only provides minimal caption regarding the actual image.

Re: Calling all USS Brooklyn/Helena class (CL) fans

by FFG-7 » Wed Jan 21, 2026 10:38 am

Re: Calling all USS Brooklyn/Helena class (CL) fans

by TZoli » Wed Jan 21, 2026 8:07 am

Is there a site somewhere showing the TROM of the Brooklyn class cruisers?
For example how and when the AA suite changed of USS Brookyln?
When did she received the quad 1,1" MG? Late 1941 or early 1942? Did she got the first 20mm Oerlikons at this time? Maybe 8 in number?

Actually it would be easier for me to ask what changes were made on the Brookyln through the years?
When did she got her first radars?
What camouflage pattern was applied to the hull at certain times?
How does the AA suite changed?
I wish to draw these states of the ship.
So far I only have her 1938 as commissioned state.

Re: Calling all USS Brooklyn/Helena class (CL) fans

by TZoli » Sat Dec 27, 2025 3:28 am

Did the Brooklyn class had it's floatplanes prewar painted in the traditional yellow-white scheme? Or all shipborne floatplanes painted like this?

Also Does Brooklyn carried a mix of SOC Seagull and O3U Floatplanes or just O3U when commissioned?

Re: Calling all USS Brooklyn/Helena class (CL) fans

by FFG-7 » Tue Dec 16, 2025 2:46 pm

Thankyou.

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