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Re: *Inj. molded plastic* Upcoming Ship Kit Releases

by Roberto » Tue Jul 21, 2026 5:21 am

HMS Inflexible wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 6:23 pm I think this thread seems to be losing its way. Page 1 is out of date. Example – flyhawk have already released HMS formidable (in 2023) and HMS Achilles (in 2024)! :wave_1:
Agree, I mentioned it above then went back to the list and noticed several more 1/350 kits missing.
Who is in a position to update the list?

Re: *Inj. molded plastic* Upcoming Ship Kit Releases

by HMS Inflexible » Mon Jul 20, 2026 6:23 pm

I think this thread seems to be losing its way. Page 1 is out of date. Example – flyhawk have already released HMS formidable (in 2023) and HMS Achilles (in 2024)! :wave_1:

Re: *Inj. molded plastic* Upcoming Ship Kit Releases

by Timmy C » Sat Jul 18, 2026 1:01 pm

mikasa wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2026 6:30 pm I see there is a snowman luetzow 1916. Is that the same plastic as the flyhawk kit? I'm not really familiar with snowman. I searched for it here and only found a couple of hits. Sorry if my question is part of Common Knowledge of which I am ignorant....
Yes, they're the same moulds.

Re: *Inj. molded plastic* Upcoming Ship Kit Releases

by mikasa » Fri Jul 17, 2026 6:30 pm

I see there is a snowman luetzow 1916. Is that the same plastic as the flyhawk kit? I'm not really familiar with snowman. I searched for it here and only found a couple of hits. Sorry if my question is part of Common Knowledge of which I am ignorant....

Re: *Inj. molded plastic* Upcoming Ship Kit Releases

by Roberto » Fri Jul 17, 2026 2:52 pm

MartinJQuinn wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 8:29 pm
tcl74 wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 6:09 am From what I think, this is the section "Upcoming Ship Kit Releases" - am I wrong?
There is a reason this topic is 238 pages long :roll:
Yes, it started 18 years ago.

Re: *Inj. molded plastic* Upcoming Ship Kit Releases

by Roberto » Fri Jul 17, 2026 2:51 pm

A minor update to the list, The Takom Moskva has been released, I have one.
A box art for a 1/350 1990s USS Midway has been completed and even though Trumpeter has not mentioned anything I can assume that they are the manufacturers.
Last, can we finally put Dragon to rest and list the unreleased kits as "shelved"?

Re: *Inj. molded plastic* Upcoming Ship Kit Releases

by Dudzio » Thu Jul 16, 2026 6:33 am

Hi guys. Any news about the Shinano 1/350 from Very Fire?

Re: *Inj. molded plastic* Upcoming Ship Kit Releases

by MartinJQuinn » Wed Jul 15, 2026 8:29 pm

tcl74 wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 6:09 am From what I think, this is the section "Upcoming Ship Kit Releases" - am I wrong?
There is a reason this topic is 238 pages long :roll:

Re: *Inj. molded plastic* Upcoming Ship Kit Releases

by jpeeler » Wed Jul 15, 2026 11:16 am

One more add and then I'll call it good, since I think we just got a nudge to get back to the original topic: regardless of whether it's a human being sitting down for umpteen-bazillion hours with a CAD program or using AI to develop the design, it still requires the proprietor of whatever operation to invest the time into creating whatever it is that's been requested. Unless money has changed hands up front, the designer/proprietor doesn't know if all that effort will result in a sale. Even if it's only one sale, that's not going to be enough to compensate for all the hours that went into development, hours that the designer will never get back.

I can't speak for Steve at Model Monkey, but I know that any given one of my days will involve my day job (even if I'm not physically there, it's always something), tending to things that need doing here, running whatever errands may be required, not to mention the ordinary human stuff we all have to do. Then there's the unexpected things that pop up that also demand our attention. All of this leaves less time for the things I want to do, and when I do have those moments, I want time for what I want to do. Otherwise, it's just more work. I haven't done 3D design, but I've done huge decal art projects for screen printing, and I found it worthwhile only because I did subjects I was personally interested in. If labors of love like those were enough to leave me exhausted, I'd hate to imagine having to design something that was outside my realm, as some folks sometimes suggested.

I've dabbled in the cottage industry enough to know that it got old in a hurry, and to realize I don't have the patience to put up with some customers or with the people who suggest what I should do next. My hat is off to people like Steve who have the patience and good humor to endure what goes with putting your wares out in the world, and I respect the daylights out of the boundaries that he's established around what he does.

Jodie Peeler

Re: *Inj. molded plastic* Upcoming Ship Kit Releases

by Quincy » Wed Jul 15, 2026 6:44 am

tcl74 wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 6:09 am From what I think, this is the section "Upcoming Ship Kit Releases" - am I wrong?


No. You are correct.

Re: *Inj. molded plastic* Upcoming Ship Kit Releases

by tcl74 » Wed Jul 15, 2026 6:09 am

From what I think, this is the section "Upcoming Ship Kit Releases" - am I wrong?

Re: *Inj. molded plastic* Upcoming Ship Kit Releases

by ModelFunShipyard » Wed Jul 15, 2026 6:04 am

That is a really good question, one I've been asking myself for some time already. From what little I could gather in a quick research - I do not understand much about AI nor am interested in doing so - but it looks like so far it can generate seemingly decent quality models from 2D drawings, or a small prompt. Though these seem to mostly revolve around the world of gaming miniatures and the like. Personally, having been creating model kits for the better part of a decade, I believe the current obstacle that won't be easily overcome by AI is very simple: AI just can't think for itself.
To create a proper kit, not just some World of Warships model you loosely cut into pieces and stick in a printer, you need to analyze and create submodels of your subjects in your head while you are working on it, and think about how they interact with one another (how they align and how they can be put together, pins, or tabs, etc.). The second problem is references: not everything is digitized. AI can't use material that hasn't been digitized, but you or I, as human beings, can pick from a few lines in a book or an actual, archival drawing that AI doesn't have access to. With that comes the implicit understanding that you know what you're looking at, and what that item is supposed to do or move in real life. AI can access to all the knowledge on the internet, but whether it can correctly analyze certain bits and pieces and surmise what their purpose is, is another matter. Not all plans are labelled, like the Booklet of General Plans of the USN actually are. Third, and this is directly correlated to the previous point, a ship is a massive conglomerate of various systems put together, and not just that. The sheer amount of data you'd need to know and process as an AI to produce an accurate model kit, let alone a specific one (say Essex in 1965 exactly), is unfathomable right now. We also get back to point 1, which is do you have the data to surmise the correct appearance of Essex in that year or not? That is why we modellers have to do so much research beforehand, and because some items cost so much. If you don't account the amount of hours you spend trying to find info on the item you're designing, that's a good 20-50% (depending on subject) of the time you spend on a model just down the drain, because you're not getting return on investment on it. Fourth, sometimes there just isn't data available for some parts or ships, that have either been lost to time, or were never properly documented in the first place. How do you program an AI to behave in that instance? We can make a best guess based on our experience and knowledge, but with AI it's a shot in the dark, because while it may have ALL the knowledge at its fingertips, it doesn't have neither experience nor interpretation of knowledge. And I mean that in the most human sense of the concept. AI doesn't "learn" nor "think ahead" in the strictest sense of them, it just tries things and excludes what the algorythm tells it doesn't work because, ultimately, it isn't capable of critical thinking.
Also, does AI know and take into accounts the printer settings for a specific material? Because with a miniature you can get away with many things, with a ship that has so many fine and delicate details, you really cannot, at the risk of making them grossly out of scale. That's just a flaw inherent of modelling things with massive scale gaps (just compare a 1/700 model ship with a 1/72 tank. The tank will be much closer to its original counterpart than the ship).

That's my, admittedly, very limited and shallow take on AI in 3D modelling as it currently stands. I, too, would like to know your takes on it, if you have any, but I don't have any illusions, in that it will get there at some point, and when it does, it's going to put a lot more people out of a job than it's doing now. But for the moment, we soldier on.

Re: *Inj. molded plastic* Upcoming Ship Kit Releases

by pascalemod » Wed Jul 15, 2026 3:49 am

ModelMonkey wrote: Wed Jul 08, 2026 8:10 am Concur with ModelFunShipyard and Jodie Peeler.

Products for Essex-class ships are very challenging and costly to produce. For the most part, it is very difficult to make an Essex-class SCB product work financially.

Here's the "why".

Ship differences. No two Essex-class ships have the same features. Other than some weapons and other fittings, the Essex-class ships are all simply too different to create a generic set of products for them. This means that each product produced will only match one ship as it appeared at one time. To make a project like that work financially for the vendor, there has to be a large enough market just for that specific ship as the ship appeared at that one time. Our sales data for our Essex-class products gathered over more than 10 years confirms that no such market exists, unfortunately.

The market. For reasons not fully understood, the market for Essex-class SCB ship aftermarket products is much smaller than one would expect. Part of that is simply that Cold War subjects don't have the interest that World War Two subjects do. But more specifically, Essex-class customers (or potential customers) tend to be only former crewmembers or family members of former crewmembers, or those who otherwise have some emotional connection to a specific ship during a specific event. That's about it. What that customer wants is a product that is accurate for their ship and only their ship at the time they or their loved one served on it. No other ship or time works for them. If we don't have a product for "their" ship configured precisely for the time they were aboard, they do not buy.

The financials. For this reason, insufficient market demand, every Essex-class SCB product we offer has been produced at a loss. All of them. Most of the SCB islands we offer have sold fewer than 3. That's not a typo. Three. There are islands we offer that haven't sold any. Not one sale. Given that each island represents hundreds of hours of research and design time, those losses are just not sustainable. This is why we have stopped offering new islands. We have had to move on to other products with better sales potential in order to stay in business.

Geometric complexity. Any product that would attach to the side of the hull such as a sponson or hurricane bow would need to be designed to match the compound curvature of a specific kit's hull. That means that the product would only fit one commercially available plastic kit in one scale, limiting the market. And to do it right, we'd need the kit manufacturer's CAD file for their hull in order to have the hull geometry from which to design the mating surface of the part we were making. Or, we would need effective scanning technology that works on small-scale models. That, unfortunately again for both options, is not realistic.

Available reference materials. To design an island, for example (or any other significant feature like a sponson), of a specific ship at a specific time, we need to have sufficient, authoritative reference material of the island as it appeared at that specific time. That would include any dimensioned 2D drawings to establish overall size and the dimensions of specific features, and photos of all sides of the island with the photos taken as close to the the same day as possible in order to confirm details. For most ships, those kinds of references simply don't exist. That limits the islands that we can produce.

Development cost. Some products, like an island, require considerable research and design effort to produce, easily measured in the hundreds of hours. Ask yourself, "what do I get paid for hundreds of hours of work?". That's what it costs to design the product in terms of time. Research materials may have to be purchased. That adds to the cost as well. There has to be a significantly large market demand to pay for those costs. As the Mercury 7 famously said, "No bucks, no Buck Rogers". Similarly, nearly daily, I will get a request from a modeler asking for a complex product for which there is no market. The request is for a unique product only applicable to his one ship model. And the product is to be researched and designed at our cost. The typical request looks something like this:

"Hey, Monkey, how about a USS Valley Forge island, 1959? Sent from my iPhone."

We regrettably must decline those requests as impractical and unaffordable.

Rapidly and frequently changing ship appearance. The Essex-class ships' appearance changed conspicuously over time. And no two ships changed the same way toward the same configuration. Many of those changes occurred nearly yearly. This makes research very challenging. We have to balance which ship configuration year we want to focus on with what the market may want with the available references we have access to. Often times, we can't achieve that balance.

3D-printing technology limitations. Some products, such as a hull or a flight deck, are just not possible to produce well with the technology we now have available to us. The "build space" within affordable 3D-printers remains relatively small. A 1/700 scale hull or flight deck won't fit inside. That means we would have to offer that product cut into parts complicating the design and the effort needed by the modeler to fuse the parts and smooth seams. Generally, large, flat objects like a flight deck, would be subject to warping. There are some design tricks to minimize warping, but a flight deck would be a real challenge to print. So, even if a large format printer could be had, other technical issues like warping would have to be addressed through an iterative and expensive test print process.

All of these problems also affect products for ships like the Forrestals and is why we have stopped working on those as well. Without sufficient sales to sustain further Essex-class and Forrestal-class products, we abandoned working on islands for the Midways, too. We just can't afford the losses, unfortunately.
Wait so you cant just ask AI to design it for you to save on time - labour? Its not there yet? I am asking it semi seriously actually. I thought cad is where AI is supposedly much better. Not there yet or you think no chance of it any time soon that you can just prompt "make me a bridge for essex" and "account for differences ca... " and here are all the drawings and "make it in scales ...."... I dont know the token cost today for this, perhaps in 1 year it is a lot less, token costs have come down a lot in last 2 years, may be in another 2 years it makes it easier? Or perhaps users just do it on their own for one time need rather as long as they have a printer at hand and results are "good enough" for them? Curious to hear your thoughts on this.

Re: *Inj. molded plastic* Upcoming Ship Kit Releases

by ModelMonkey » Wed Jul 08, 2026 8:31 pm

Thank you so much, Sean!

It's always really good to hear that we helped save a friend some headaches.

Re: *Inj. molded plastic* Upcoming Ship Kit Releases

by SeanF » Wed Jul 08, 2026 8:14 pm

Steve,

As the proud owner of 7 of your SCB Essex islands, I deeply appreciate the effort and quality you've provided. The other more generic SCB Essex bits - the pilots' escalator, crane sponsons, 3" gun tubs, etc. - were also immensely helpful in building my collection. I have two of your Forrestal islands, and was hoping to see those big bow sponsons someday... totally understand, though. (Back to scratchbuilding my own, like I did for my Essex hurricane bows and hull bulges).
3D printing really can be a double-edged sword, where low- (but not no-) demand parts that would otherwise never see the light of day could be viable; but then it runs into that desire for it to be printed not just most of the way, but all of the way to perfection ("for this specific ship at this specific time or else I won't buy it - and who cares if literally no one else will but that one specific item, not my problem..." Ugh.)
I think I tweaked all seven of the islands I bought to one degree or another to get what I needed, and boy am I glad for the head-start they gave me instead of scratchbuilding and/or resin-casting my own each time! I mean, any application of aftermarket 3D parts is a modification to a model. Anyone who's going to add PE railings and radar, rigging, etc. certainly has the skill to tweak a platform or add an extra hatch or somesuch to take a more-general add-on part to get closer to their specific target. And anyone who isn't interested in adding all those fine detail parts likely isn't detail-oriented enough to miss the small differences. But how I wish that translated into sales for you; there's stuff I'd love to get that'd be good enough to start from, but it won't get made because perfection kills it!

Back on injection-molded kits for a moment... high praise to Dragon for running as far as they did with their straight-deck Essex series. Not that I need any more 1:700 Essexes, but I do wonder who will pick up those molds in the future (or if they already have?)

Sean F.

Re: *Inj. molded plastic* Upcoming Ship Kit Releases

by ModelMonkey » Wed Jul 08, 2026 4:35 pm

Jodie,

No worries at all! You have been and remain a friend and valued customer!

And Killerbeans, I hope that my explanation made some sense. Like you, I am a huge Essex-class fan and hope that some work we have done will offer modelers a chance to enjoy building a ship of the class not specifically offered in plastic.

Cheers!

Re: *Inj. molded plastic* Upcoming Ship Kit Releases

by jpeeler » Wed Jul 08, 2026 12:56 pm

Thanks to Steve for laying out some cold, hard truths about the Essex class in particular, and the challenges of being an aftermarket supplier in general.

And Steve, I have to apologize to you, because I've urged you onward on some of this stuff but have failed to follow through with orders because I've had too many non-hobby demands eating too few dollars. (I was on the cusp two weeks ago, but hobby money had to be diverted to the veterinarian to repair a malfunctioning cat.) I will make good on this soon, I promise. I appreciate what you do, and you deserve better from the likes of me.

Jodie Peeler

Re: *Inj. molded plastic* Upcoming Ship Kit Releases

by Dan K » Wed Jul 08, 2026 12:40 pm

Just saw this on a Chinese forum:
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Re: *Inj. molded plastic* Upcoming Ship Kit Releases

by Killerbeans » Wed Jul 08, 2026 12:02 pm

Thank you for the detailed response, Steve. I'm squarely in the crosshairs of you demographic. My dad was on Essex when she sailed around the horn, and I knew a plankowner fron 2nd Hornet.

Re: *Inj. molded plastic* Upcoming Ship Kit Releases

by ModelFunShipyard » Wed Jul 08, 2026 10:36 am

I would like to add to MM's wonderfully laid out response, that those are exactly the reasons we're 99% unlikely to see an SCB Essex in plastic form (in my opinion, at least). Trumpeter did theirs to complement their WWII Intrepid, and they had a surviving vessel to use for reference, and you can't go better than that. However, as Steve has just pointed out, that will only depict Intrepid in its current configuration (right before museum ship status). It's not the same ship that took part in the Vietnam War between '66-'69, much less the one before it.
Maybe I'll be proven wrong, who knows.

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