HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

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Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by wefalck » Wed Jul 29, 2026 3:06 am

Yes, I had the book by Lees since it was first published and read it. Contemporary models can be problematic, as they were often (re)rigged or restored at later times, using the practises and knowledge of the time. It is quite difficult to determine the actual age of rigging matieral and when the work was carried out.

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by marijn van gils » Wed Jul 29, 2026 1:56 am

Thank you Eberhart!

You are right, I should get Lever too! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
I would prefer to get a paper copy though if possible.

Lees gives an overview of his sources in the introduction. Besides contemporary literature, he also used contemporary models, manuscipts, paintings and drafts of the National Maritime Museum (he worked as restorer/caretaker on their model collection). But regarding literature on the late 18th century, he states Steele as his primary literary source indeed. And he does use a number of drawings of Lever, but this is always indicated in the captions. The great majority of drawings seem to be his own (they have a different style than Lever or Steele). Of course, the content of them is likely based on Steele and Lever (and other sources for other periods), but he may have also referred to contempary models etc.

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by wefalck » Tue Jul 28, 2026 12:28 pm

You have done now already a lot (most?) of the work on HMS VICTORY, but almost a must is also

LEVER, D. (1819): The Young Sea Officer’s Sheet Anchor.- 124 p., London (reprint 1963 by E.W. Sweetman & Co., New York).

There should be this second or the first edition as digital copy on the net. It was meant as textbook for midshipmen, i.e. boys of 16+ years of age, who became trainee naval officers with often little previous (practical) exposure to maritme matters. It is important, because it not only tells how things should look like, when at their place, but also how to get them, where they should be. For me this is very important for modelling - I have to understand how something works, before I can model it.

It would be interesting to undertake one day a sort of 'criminal' investigation on who copied/stole their illustrations from whom, as the pictures all look familiar. Perhaps Steele (a compilator and publisher, rather than author) was the origine or they may even go back to the 'Enciclopdie' of Diderot & d'Alembert ... I think Lees also drew on Lever.

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by marijn van gils » Tue Jul 28, 2026 11:33 am

Thank you very much Rui!
For sure this was one of the biggest technical challenges of the project indeed, since I hadn’t done anything like this before… And of course, battle damage adds another dimension to it!



I will post the step-by-step on the sails in several separate posts, to spread the computer work a bit for myself… ;)


First step: research!

Sails and rigging of period ships were rather daunting to me, as I was a complete novice.
But as with anything, the right literature and a fair amount of time to study the topic help to make everything make sense, enabling a methodical execution on the model.

These are the main books I used:
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James Lees is the standard work on English warship rigging, and generally considered to be very accurate. It is however a rather academic book and requires some basic knowledge on rigging (for example: the terminology and the function of each line are not explained).

L. Petersson is much more accessible for the novice. It shows the run of each individual line in separate drawings, making everything very easy to understand. It is however based on only one period ship model, and is therefore not to be relied on for every ship of every period. Luckily, the period depicted in the book is very close to Trafalgar, but the ship is a smaller type.

The AOTS book by John McKay solves this partly, as it focuses on Victory. It is an excellent book, but the rigging drawings require previous knowledge too. Too much lines are shown together in too few drawings, making them hard to understand for the novice. Also, it is based on the restored ship and can therefore not be trusted completely. But it includes a comprehensive table with the dimensions of the lines and blocks, which is super handy.

Longridges’ book is nice too, but a bit dated and I didn’t use it very much. But it includes some beautiful drawings of the lower and topmast tops, which help a lot to understand these complex areas.

So, I ended up using the books this way:
- Petersson to wrap my head around the rigging and each line in it;
- McKay to translate certain items to Victory;
- Lees to check each line for accuracy, and adjust if needed;
- The table in McKay for line and block dimensions.

In McKay, the lines are measured in circumference, and in inches, like period practice. But of course, for modelling purposes, I want diameters in millimetres! Luckily, this was easily calculated in excel:
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All of this enabled me to draw a set of rigging plans:
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I traced the ships contours from Longridges’ plans, and scanned and printed it to 1/300 scale a number of times.
Next, I drew only one or two types of lines on each plan. This keeps things clear and easy to find.
I noted the diameter of each line and size of each block on the plans, so I don’t have to go back to the books/tables while building. I also noted or drew belaying points and some details for the same reason.

The finished plans are not only super convenient tools while building, but drawing them also helped me tremendously in understanding the rig.


Drawing a set of rigging plans like this was a tip I got from these books from Philip Reed, and it proved immensely helpful!
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These are wonderful books BTW! (his ‘Building a Miniature Navy Board Model’ book is great too)
Besides inspiration, they were instrumental in getting my head wrapped around rigging a small scale model. I used a lot of the techniques explained in these books (especially the newer one: ‘period ship modelmaking’).

Also, besides knowing what goes where, rigging requires a well thought-out order of operations to maintain access. In general, you work from the centreline of the ship outwards, and from low to high.
But a square rig is complex, and the Philip Reed books also helped me figuring this out.

But in the end, I also find myself making this kind of lists, to work out the order of installation for each line:
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These are only a couple; I have made many more along the way! ;)
This is just a working tool for myself: I often change the sequence while working when I think another way may be easier after all. :)


And finally, back to the sails!

Paper templates were drawn, cut and test-fitted. The shapes were based on Lees, and the dimensions made to fit the spars and masts of the model.
On the front and rear of each template, the location of the reinforcing cloths and cringles are drawn (all based on Lees).
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Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by Rui Matos » Tue Jul 28, 2026 5:34 am

Marijn...

I usually don't get speechless... but I am now!
AMAZING!!!!

NOTE: I was a little bit concerned, that after all the master work you have done with the models so far, the "tricky part" would be to make the sails look convincing... Well, I was worrying for nothing, you managed to make them super-realistic!
Congratulations!

Cheers,
Rui

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by marijn van gils » Mon Jul 27, 2026 4:08 pm

Thank you very much everyone! :smallsmile: :cool_2: :smallsmile: :cool_2: :smallsmile:
I'm glad the sails seem to be working out. ;)

wefalck wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2026 9:12 am Ah, that treats a subject that I have been poring about for quite some time, as I want to create a similar aspect - minus the battle damage.

Some 50 years ago, I used the silk fabric 'silkspan' (as used to cover larger aircraft models), soaked in gouache paint, but switched to acrylics, when these became available and the to 'silkspan' paper, when starting to work on smaller scales. However, the material covered first in varnish (which was also used to glue together the panels of the sails, became rather to stiff for simulating limp or gathered sails.

I have some idea of how I plan to go about the process now, but it would be nice to see a detailed description of the process you used :thumbs_up_1:
That's the plan! ;)

In order to not kill the translucency completely, I do use thin coats of arcylic paint. That may help to keep the flexibility necessary for shaping?

In this scale, I don't glue panels together, but only draw them lightly with a pencil. That will probably help too.
I do glue the reinforcing bands on (leach linings, buntline cloths, middel bands, mast cloths, tabling, etc.), which does create some stiffness, and I do notice the sails are more difficult to shape were the silkspan is doubled this way. I use white glue, but I guess the result is the same as with varnish in this respect...

Shaping is done while softening the paper with water. The ability of silkspan to not fall apart when wetted is the main reason for using this material for me. Otherwise, I think I would prefer to use a more 'normal' type of paper like Jim Bauman does.

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by Dan K » Mon Jul 27, 2026 3:52 pm

[Just when you thought this project couldn't possibly get better...it did. Wow.i]

Ditto that. That's amazing work, Marijn.

Worth the wait!

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by MartinJQuinn » Mon Jul 27, 2026 2:28 pm

Just when you thought this project couldn't possibly get better...it did. Wow.

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by EJFoeth » Mon Jul 27, 2026 11:34 am

Superb :thumbs_up_1:

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by SG1 » Mon Jul 27, 2026 10:13 am

SMASHING! literally :cool_2:

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by wefalck » Mon Jul 27, 2026 9:12 am

Ah, that treats a subject that I have been poring about for quite some time, as I want to create a similar aspect - minus the battle damage.

Some 50 years ago, I used the silk fabric 'silkspan' (as used to cover larger aircraft models), soaked in gouache paint, but switched to acrylics, when these became available and the to 'silkspan' paper, when starting to work on smaller scales. However, the material covered first in varnish (which was also used to glue together the panels of the sails, became rather to stiff for simulating limp or gathered sails.

I have some idea of how I plan to go about the process now, but it would be nice to see a detailed description of the process you used :thumbs_up_1:

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by Devin » Mon Jul 27, 2026 9:06 am

More model making wizardry. Amazing work!

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by johndon » Mon Jul 27, 2026 9:05 am

Outstanding.

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by marijn van gils » Mon Jul 27, 2026 9:02 am

Hello everyone,

Sorry for my very long absence!
Besides the usual ‘life’-stuff, this was mostly due to me tackling the sails. This was a first for me and required some experimentation and messing around. Because of that, I haven’t been taking in-progress photos in a systematic way, and therefore had nothing to post really… :sorry:

But now I have finished the sails and rigging of the bowsprit and foremast! :eyebrows:
(Except for the fore braces; these will follow at the end because they would be in the way of the mainmast rigging.)

So, I will simply show the results for now.
But now that I have the process down, I’m already working on step-by step photo’s for the mainmast to show the techniques. ;)

I’ll already let you know the basic material of the sails: silkspan, basecoated with acrylics (I mainly followed Philip Reed’s techniques) and weathered with oil paints.


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A nice characteristic of the silkspan paper is that it is translucent when lit from behind:
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Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by pascalemod » Fri Jun 26, 2026 3:19 pm

Lets not lose the thread ey. Looks amazing - love seeing them side by side.

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by dafi » Wed Feb 25, 2026 6:21 am

This is how my model sees me ;-)
Foto am 12-01-2014 um 15.46 #2.jpg
XXXDAn

PS: Wonderfull work as always MArijn!

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by ModelMonkey » Sun Feb 22, 2026 8:58 am

This is how Marijn is able to achieve such amazing detail.
Marijn glasses.jpg

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by Rui Matos » Wed Feb 18, 2026 11:14 am

TY for sharing EJFoeth

:wave_1:

Cheers,
Rui

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by EJFoeth » Sun Feb 15, 2026 1:01 pm

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Officers from HMS Hood survey the battle in a 50ft steam picket while a range of pulling boats prepare for a sneak attack.

It was very good to view the models up close and difficult to believe how small they really are. :thumbs_up_1:

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by Joelle » Sat Feb 07, 2026 7:16 am

Bombastically good. 💣
In the truest sense of the word. 👍

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