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I can't find my copy of Warship Supplement to hand, but from memory the reference the author gave was some sort of official US Navy Publication.
To which archives have you been checking?

Following on from my earlier post I would be grateful for any information to be copied to my e-mail address - carnock<at>davemallinson<dot>fsnet<dot>co<dot>uk

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stontamar

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Having just read the link listing some of the BPF Pennant numbers can I please ask if anyone has any information as to the original source document.

Various suggestions have been made including the US Navy Publication DNC 4A (Visual Call Sign Book) corrcted by various NRRP's up to 1946, also BR619, although the 1944 edition contains no information on this subject, and varous type of Admiralty Fleet order (including S-Series) and Commonwealth Navy Orders. To date I have been unable to find any relevant archived documents or publications however an official list must exist somewhere. the photographic record is too fragmented for the current list to have been developed from that source and it is a subject which the US Navy Historical Branch and neither the Royal Navy Museum or Naval Historical Branch have any details.

So the question is what was the original sourse of the information that provided the details published in Warship Journal No. 107 and in the earlier link posted by Laurence Batchelor on this forum?

Any help or suggestions would be gratefully accepted.

Regards

stontamar

The cruisers' numbers were those of USN ships either scrapped (1-3), lost in combat, not completed as cruisers (the ones which became Independence class CVLs) or numbers unlikely to be used in wartime (161 and upwards). The destroyers' numbers were low enough not to duplicate USN destroyers (except WARD (DD66) - there was no D66 in the Commonwealth/Allied numbering scheme). Colossus class ships again had numbers higher than the USN was likely to reach, and RN battleships (plus RENOWN and RICHELIEU) were lower than any surviving USN BB hull numbers. CVEs' pennant numbers, in the 300 series, were higher than equivalent USN ships.

I just noticed an interesting pattern on the Fleet Carrier numberings. All of the pendant numbers are those of the USN carriers previously lost in the war. 1, Langley/Formidable, 2 Lexington/Illustrious, 5 Yorktown/Implacable, 7 Wasp/Indefatigable, 8 Hornet/Indomitable and 23 Princeton/Victorious.

I promised that I would post this as questions were forthcoming on the SteelNavy forums.
As these forums have more longevity I will post the complete pendant allocations in the hope their useful to modeller who wish to build ships of this Fleet.

[u][b]Flag Superior - B Battleships[/b][/u]

[i]Pendant
Number Ship [/i]
B 1 HMS ANSON
B 2 HMS DUKE OF YORK
B 3 HMS HOWE
B 4 HMS KING GEORGE V
B 5 HMS NELSON
B 6 HMS QUEEN ELIZABETH
B 7 HMS RENOWN
B 8 RICHELIEU
B 9 HMS RODNEY


[u][b]Flag Superior - C Cruisers[/b][/u]

[i]Pendant
Number Ship [/i]
C 1 HMS ACHILLES
C 2 HMNZS LEANDER
C 3 HMAS HOBART
C 30 HMAS AUSTRALIA
C 34 HMAS SHROPSHIRE
C 39 HNMS TROMP
C 44 HMAS ADELAIDE
C 59 HNMS HEEMSKERCK
C 61 HMAS WESTRALIA
C 76 HMAS KANIMBLA
C 77 HMAS MANOORA
C 161 HMS ARGONAUT
C 162 HMS BELFAST
C 163 HMS BERMUDA
C 164 HMS BLACK PRINCE
C 165 HMS CEYLON
C 166 HMS CLEOPATRA
C 167 HMS EURYALUS
C 168 HMS GAMBIA
C 169 HMS GLASGOW
C 170 HMS JAMAICA
C 171 HMS LIVERPOOL
C 172 HMS NEWFOUNDLAND
C 173 HMS PHOEBE
C 174 HMS SUSSEX
C 175 HMS UGANDA
C 176 HMS ROYALIST
C 177 HMS CUMBERLAND
C 178 HMS LONDON
C 179 HMS NEWCASTLE
C 180 HMS NIGERIA
C 181 HMS SUFFOLK
C 182 HMS SWIFTSURE
C 183 HMS MAURITIUS
C 184 HMCS ONTARIO
C 185 HMS SUPERB
C 186 HMS DEVONSHIRE


[u][b]Flag Superior - D Destroyers[/b][/u]

[i]Pendant
Number Ship [/i]
D 01
D 02
D 03
D 04 HMAS STUART
D 05 HMAS ARUNTA
D 06 HMAS VENDETTA
D 07 HNMS VAN GALEN
D 08 HNMS TJERK HIDDES
D 09 HMAS BATAAN
D 10 HMAS WARRAMUNGA
D 11 HMS GRENVILLE
D 12 HMS KEMPENFELT
D 13 HMAS NAPIER
D 12 HMS NEPAL
D 15 HMS NIZAM
D 16 HMAS NORMAN
D 17 HMAS QUADRANT
D 18 HMAS QUALITY
D 19 HMAS QUEENBOROUGH
D 20 HMAS QUIBERON
D 21 HMAS QUICKMATCH
D 22 HMS QUILLIAM
D 23 HMS ULSTER
D 24 HMS ULYSSES
D 25 HMS UNDAUNTED
D 26 HMS UNDINE
D 27 HMS URANIA
D 28 HMS URCHIN
D 29 HMS URSA
D 30 HMS WAGER
D 31 HMS WAKEFUL
D 32 HMS WESSEX
D 33 HMS WHELP
D 34 HMS WHIRLWIND
D 35 HMS WIZARD
D 36 HMS WRANGLER
D 37 HMS RACEHORSE
D 38 HMS RAIDER
D 39 HMS RAPID
D 40 HMS REDOUBT
D 41 HMS RELENTLESS
D 42 HMS ROCKET
D 43 HMS ROEBUCK
D 44 HMS ROTHERHAM
D 45 HMS TEAZER
D 46 HMS TENACIOUS
D 47 HMS TERMAGANT
D 48 HMS TERPSICHORE
D 49 HMS TROUBRIDGE
D 50 HMS TUMULT
D 51 HMS TUSCAN
D 52 HMS TYRIAN
D 53 HMS AVONVALE
D 54 HMS BLACKMORE
D 55 HMS BRECON
D 56 HMS CALPE
D 57 HMS CROOME
D 58 HMS EGGESFORD
D 59 HMS FARNDALE
D 60 HMS COCKADE
D 61 HMS BARFLEUR
D 62 HMS CAMPERDOWN
D 63 HMS CAESAR
D 64 HMS CAMBRIAN
D 65 HMS CAPRICE
D 66
D 67 HMS CARRON
D 68 HMS CARYSFORT
D 69 HMS CAVALIER
D7l HMS CASSANDRA
D 72 HMS CAVENDISH
D 70 HMS PENN
D 73 HMS ARMADA
D 74
D 75 HMS TRAFALGAR
D 76 HMCS ALGONQUIN
D 77 HMCS HAIDA
D 78 HMCS HURON
D 79 HMCS IROQUOIS
D 80 HMCS MICMAC
D 81 HMCS SIOUX
D 82 HMS HOGUE
D 83
D 84 HMS COMET
D 85 HMS COMUS
D 86 HMS CONSORT
D 87 HMS CONSTANCE
D 8B HMS CONTEST
D 89 HMS CORSO*
D 90 HMS COSSACK
D 91 HMS FINISTERRE
D 92 HMS GRAVELlNES
D 93 HMS LAGOS
* 1946 r/n CONCORD
[u]
[b]Flag Superior - R Fleet Carriers[/b][/u]

[i]Pendant
Number Ship [/i]
R 1 HMS FORMIDABLE
R 2 HMS ILLUSTRIOUS
R 5 HMS IMPLACABLE
R 7 HMS INDEFATIGABLE
R 8 HMS INDOMITABLE
R 23 HMS VICTORIOUS

[u][b]Light Fleet Carriers[/b][/u]
R 61 HMS COLOSSUS
R 62 HMS GLORY
R 63 HMS VENERABLE
R 64 HMS VENGEANCE
R 65 HMS OCEAN

[u][b]Escort Carriers[/b][/u]
R 301 HMS ACTIVITY
R 302 HMS AMEER
R 303 HMS ARBITER
R 304 HMS ATHELING
R 305 HMS BEGUM
R 306 HMS CHASER
R 307 HMS EMPEROR
R 308 HMS FENCER
R 309 HMS PURSUER
R 310 HMS RAJAH
R 311 HMS RULER
R 312 HMS SHAH
R 313 HMS SLINGER
R 314 HMS SPEAKER
R 315 HMS STRIKER
R 316 HMS THANE
R 317 HMS TRACKER
R 318 HMS TRUMPETER
R 319 HMS VINDEX
R 320 HMS QUEEN
R 321 HMS SMITE
R 322 HMS PATROLLER
R 323 HMS RANEE
R 324 HMS REAPER


[u][b]Flag Superior - M Fast Minelayers[/b][/u]

M 1 HMS ARIADNE
M 2 HMS APOLLO
M 3 HMS MANXMAN


[u][b]Flag Superior - F Miscellaneous Organizations[/b][/u]

F 201 British Pacific Fleet
F 202 British Pacific Fleet Train
F 203 Aircraft British Pacific Fleet
F 204 British Battleship Squadron One
F 205 British Cruiser Squadron Four
F 206 British Destroyer Flotilla Four
F 207 British Destroyer Flotilla 25
F 208 British Destroyer Flotilla 27
F 209 British Minesweeping Flotilla 21
F 210 British Minesweeping Flotilla 22
F 211 Destroyers British Pacific Fleet
F 212 British Carrier Squadron One
F 213 British Carrier Squadron Two
F 214 British Carrier Squadron 11
F 215 British Carrier Squadron 20
F 216 British Carrier Squadron 30
F 217 British Carrier Squadron 40
F 218 British Submarine Flotilla Four
F 219 British Submarine Flotilla Eight
F 220 British Destroyer Flotilla Seven
F 221 British Destroyer Flotilla 24
F 222 British Minesweeping Flotilla 180
F 223 Escort Forces, British Pacific Fleet
F 224 Logistic Support Group, British Pacific Fleet
F 225 Harbour Defence Motor Launch Flotilla 105
F 226 Harbour Defence Motor Launch Flotilla 124
F 227 British Submarine Flotilla 14
F 228 British Destroyer Flotilla 19
F 229 British Cruiser Squadron Two
F 230 Air Training, British Pacific Fleet
F 231 British Destroyer Flotilla Five
F 232 British Destroyer Flotilla 29
F 233 British Minesweeping Flotilla Ten
F 234 British Destroyer Flotilla six
F 235 British Destroyer Flotilla 28
F 236 British Destroyer Flotilla Eight
F 237 British Destroyer Flotilla 17
F 238 British Minesweeping Flotilla Eight
F 239 British Minesweeping Flotilla 182

Source: DNC 4(A) : US Navy Visual Call Sign Book, 1st March 1944 corrected by NRPMs, such as, 340, 400, 415 and 488 up to mid-1946. See Warships Supplement 107 Winter 1991 World Ship Society.

Oh the days when we could put together such fleets of this size!
Cheers
LB