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Re: Pink Japanese cruiser

by John Snyder » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:16 am

Olaf Held wrote:
John @ WEM wrote:Hi Olaf,

According to the good Professor Raven, it was WINSLOW (DD-359), which obtained the paint from SS DUNOTTER CASTLE during a stopover in Capetown in 12/41. DDs that subsequently painted up in MBP included WARRINGTON (DD-383), CLARK (DD-361) & PHELPS (DD-360).

Thanks John ~ The list of ships painted in (or similar to) MPB is getting longer and longer. I'm still confused about those colours, all named differently (Plymouth Pink, N**ple Pink, MBP, then the differences in brightness (light, medium, dark, maybe in patterns on a few ships), as if every skipper or squadron leader had his own idea about this colour ...).

I think I need to update my library with the proper books, the "professor" would be a good start, eh? :thumbs_up_1:

Happy painting ~ Olaf!
The "Professor" is a good starting point. His series of camo articles posted at the shipcamouflage website is always worth re-reading. As for the names, I recall that Plymouth Pink was an unofficial term for MBP, while Nipple Pink was the USN term applied to MBP. I haven't seen a medium version of the color. The samples Alan supplied to Randy Short and me included MBP dark and light, and the brighter pink that he referenced yesterday.

Re: Pink Japanese cruiser

by John Snyder » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:12 am

Tracy White wrote:How about HMS Campletown? I've heard she was MBP on her last voyage... truth?
Truth.

Re: Pink Japanese cruiser

by Olaf Held » Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:16 am

John @ WEM wrote:Hi Olaf,

According to the good Professor Raven, it was WINSLOW (DD-359), which obtained the paint from SS DUNOTTER CASTLE during a stopover in Capetown in 12/41. DDs that subsequently painted up in MBP included WARRINGTON (DD-383), CLARK (DD-361) & PHELPS (DD-360).

Thanks John ~ The list of ships painted in (or similar to) MPB is getting longer and longer. I'm still confused about those colours, all named differently (Plymouth Pink, N**ple Pink, MBP, then the differences in brightness (light, medium, dark, maybe in patterns on a few ships), as if every skipper or squadron leader had his own idea about this colour ...).

I think I need to update my library with the proper books, the "professor" would be a good start, eh? :thumbs_up_1:

Happy painting ~ Olaf!

Re: Pink Japanese cruiser

by Tracy White » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:45 pm

How about HMS Campletown? I've heard she was MBP on her last voyage... truth?

Re: Pink Japanese cruiser

by John Snyder » Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:07 pm

mike mccabe wrote:Olaf
http://www.shipcamouflage.com/royal_navy3.htm half way down, also an illustration in John Lambert and Les Brown's Shipcraft Flower class book. Cool eh?

Presumably 'true pink' is the kind of shade some Spitfires were painted in?

Mike
No, the PRU Pink worn by the Spits was very, very pale indeed. The RN pink Alan refers to had much more color saturation. It's included in one of the Snyder & Short RN paint chip sets.

Re: Pink Japanese cruiser

by mike mccabe » Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:09 pm

Olaf
http://www.shipcamouflage.com/royal_navy3.htm half way down, also an illustration in John Lambert and Les Brown's Shipcraft Flower class book. Cool eh?

Presumably 'true pink' is the kind of shade some Spitfires were painted in?

Mike

Re: Pink Japanese cruiser

by John Snyder » Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:06 am

Hi Olaf,

According to the good Professor Raven, it was WINSLOW (DD-359), which obtained the paint from SS DUNOTTER CASTLE during a stopover in Capetown in 12/41. DDs that subsequently painted up in MBP included WARRINGTON (DD-383), CLARK (DD-361) & PHELPS (DD-360).

Re: Pink Japanese cruiser

by Olaf Held » Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:33 am

mike mccabe wrote:Also the primrose yellow flower class corvettes just for something different

Mike
What?
http://www.google.de/images?hl=de&q=pri ... CCYQsAQwAA
Seriously? Not that I haven't enough humour but ... any more information to share about this?

@ John ~ Do you happen to know which of the USN destroyers was painted in UCL?

Happy painting ~ Olaf!

Re: Pink Japanese cruiser

by ar » Mon Aug 16, 2010 6:49 am

In addition, in 1941 stretching into the early months of 1942, there was a colour named 'Nore Pink'. This was believed to be a true pink, unlike Mountbatten Pink, and was used on the Leader Campbell, which was in Nore Command. Others of the command may also have been painted this way.
Posted by A Raven.

Re: Pink Japanese cruiser

by mike mccabe » Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:32 am

Also the primrose yellow flower class corvettes just for something different

Mike

Re: Pink Japanese cruiser

by John Snyder » Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:41 pm

On a more serious note than pink subs, the USN had several ships painted in Mountbatten Pink, and at least one destroyer painted in Union Castle Lavender (the supposed inspiration for Mountbatten Pink).

Re: Pink Japanese cruiser

by reigels » Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:39 am

As I recall, the USN experimented unsuccessfully with pink submarines as well...

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Re: Pink Japanese cruiser

by ottoirving » Sat Aug 14, 2010 7:58 am

took this from:http://www.whiteensignmodels.com/brochure/ruskyskelly.htm
one of my favorites modelers and inspiration is Ian Ruscoe, i bought this model to also do this kelly in 1941 only in full hull. i bought a Tamiya Modelling international issue 134 comes a complete review and model building.
Here is the Pink scheme from GB.
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hope it helps

Re: Pink Japanese cruiser

by Felix C » Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:16 am

I once worked at a facility with a turning basin whose inlet mouth faced due east and had an unobstructed view of the sunrise. When there was no wind,the water would turn from black to purple to red to pink then blue as the sun begin to rise. It was inspiring.

Re: Pink Japanese cruiser

by Seasick » Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:37 pm

Remember everyone that when its dawn and dusk sunlight is skewed to longer wavelength light "aka red". Red light reflecting off of anything usually gives it a red biased appearance. The best color for dusk and dawn is white, also good for night, not good in full daylight.

Re: Pink Japanese cruiser

by Olaf Held » Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:21 am

mike mccabe wrote:Here is my model of HMS Broadway in Plymouth Pink, intended for camouflage at dusk and dawn

http://www.finewaterline.com/pages/gall ... oadway.htm

Mike
Mike, the pink doesn't work, I still can see the model... :big_grin:

(btw, a nice one...)

Happy camouflaging ~ Olaf!

Re: Pink Japanese cruiser

by Doug Hallet » Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:34 am

The reason ships are painted gray in the first place is that it picks up all the prevailing sea and sky tones present at any given time of day. That is why so many navy ships appear to have a blue tint, even when they are painted in a neutral or gull-gray color. Warships will naturally pick up pink tones at sunset or sunrise as the suns rays reflect off them. No need to use pink paint.

Re: Pink Japanese cruiser

by linux » Sun Aug 01, 2010 7:07 am

Looking at saved board topics I found another answer had been posted by Kevin Denlay on j-aircraft.com in April 2007:
Some months ago I recall signing off on a discussion that had again brought up the possibility of Haguro being painted pink at the time of her demise, and some other points, one re HIJMS Kamikaze, and I said I would check with survivors from both ships and try and get a definitive answer. Well, it has taken some time � I bet you thought I forgot, or worse, just blowing smoke - as had to go through another friend involved with the survivors and have him translate the detailed questions first.

The following answers come from the head of Haguro Survivors Association, who was on Haguro when she sank, and the head of Kamikaze Survivors Association, who was on Kamikaze that fateful night also. (They also checked with other survivors to confirm answers, hence the delay in the reply coming back.)

The questions posed - abbreviated here- were basically;

Question) Was Haguro painted camouflage color like Myoko?

Answer) NO

Question) Was she painted pink or a variation thereof on her final sortie in Malacca Strait?

Answer) NO, SHE WAS GREY.

...

Re: Pink Japanese cruiser

by linux » Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:58 am

The "pink" claim seems to have originated in A Battle History of the Imperial Japanese Navy (1941-1945) by Paul S Dull.

On pages 332-333 he writes:
Walker, however, had detached a five-destroyer force for such an eventuality, and the Venus, Verulam, Virago, Vigilant, and Saumarez made radar contact at 2300. Using an often-practiced (but seldom-used) "star" destroyer attack formation, they attacked the Haguro, fought a close-range battle, and sent the pink-painted cruiser down at 0150, 45 miles southwest of Panang.
It has been discussed on various boards over the years. The usual conclusion is that the claim is unproven, as no other source for the "pink" claim has been found.

Re: Pink Japanese cruiser

by Felix C » Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:51 am

I think it is the effect of sunlight on grey.

I have noticed military ships appear pinkish at sunset or sunrise.

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