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A blue hull, eh?? Interesting; never saw that before.

Anyway, Tracy makes a good point. I don't think there's a standard or correct "hull red" anywhere in the modeling world, or real ship world for that matter.
I have no doubt that shades have changed over the years, and also changed among different paint manufacturers and ships of a common time period as well.
Plus, once in the water, this stuff will change [i]very[/i] rapidly.

So, depending on what you're building (a pristine ship or something a weathered), your own preference is probably as good as any "professional" guess.

I did the USS Alabama in Testor's flat red enamel, which turned out pretty nice. Not too eye-catching & flashy, but definitely more of a red than brown.
In person, it looks very much like the Pennsylvania's red in the picture, which is what I was after being that is a "pristine" ship...if you could call it that :(

WW2 Norfolk 65-A is markedly different from the modern USN Antifouling Red. We have both in our Colourcoats enamels.

Hull red varies with batch and age. Bright? No, not normally. Don't trust the colors in that Pennsylvania shot too much.

Hull red is a bright gloss red, WWII or today, unless the hull is blue.

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USS Pennsylvania, September 7, 1944

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USS Bonhomme Richard LHD 6

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USS Winston S Churchill

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USS Port Royal

Is WWII hull red different than modern hull red? I have been advised to use British Crimson on my modern USN hulls, there is a Model Master paint called "Hull Red" that is much darker and browner, and my 350 scale USS Nimitz kit color key tells me that I should use FS30061 Cocoa Brown.

Your best bets for that would either be to coat the heck out of the standard tins or to buy the [url=http://www.shipcamouflage.com/paint_chips.htm]Snyder & Short Paint Chips[/url] and take them to a commercial paint shop.

Am trying to find out if standard model paints(enamels) will be durable enough to actually see sea service.
My large scale models will require Norfolk antifouling red and haze gray 5H and dark blues.
And does anybody sell this paint in the quart?

I always use Humbrol enamel no. 73... Some people prefer 113 or 174...

I like Testor's British Crimson.

It's hidden in the FAQ:
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=77101

Thanks for that Tracy. I have never tried White Ensign. But I will look into them.

In another post somewhere that I can not find, you mentioned that there is accuracy issues with Life Color paints. I do like the way they airbrush and hand brush though. What were you referring to with the accuracy issues?

Oh, let me be of further no help then: "You can get an exact match in White Ensign's Colourcoat line of paints, but as I don't use Acrylics, I cannot help you otherwise."

:roll_eyes:

[quote="Tracy White"]Just so you know there's no FS number for USN WWII Hull red. The FS system didn't come about until after the war.[/quote]

This statement seems to come up in every thread when someone asks for guidance on colors. While it is accurate it is of little or no help.

A request - it would be very helpful if it was also accompanied with "but a close equivalent is" or "try a 50/50 mix of FS12345 & FS56789", or even "there is no color even close in the FS list". I've been trying to study up on this question since restarting the hobby about a year ago and still don't have an idea what a reasonable match for anti-fouling red might be.

At least in this thread I can go look at Polly Scale Italian Camo Brown and get some idea of a color that someone thinks is close.

Just so you know there's no FS number for USN WWII Hull red. The FS system didn't come about until after the war.

I think Floquil is oil-based - the PS I use are acrylics.

The floquil brand?

I'm happy with Polly Scale's Italian Camo. Brown:
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/dd/dd-484/350-tc/tc-index.html

I am trying to figure out what red is the best to use to paint the hull below the water line on US Navy WWII vessels. I paint using acrylics. But I can us a FS number too. I tried searching the forums but after about 45 minutes I gave up on that one.

Thank you in advance.